Should There Be A Right To Discriminate?

[San Lumen]

so you would be perfectly ok with being fired from your job for that or denied service?

I wouldn’t be fine with it at all. Being fired or being denied service sucks. Especially for such a reason. But I’d accept it. Because I’m not going to violate my principles just like that. Even if it would be convenient to do so.

Exactly
It essentially comes down to it’s not our choice

Yeah. It sucks, but right is right and wrong is wrong.

well i would not be ok with my employer firing me because they found out im gay. Its none of their business and has no bearing on my ability to do the job

[Internationalist Bastard]

It is thank you
But this isn’t a pity party. The point is that we simply need to accept we’ll always deal with bullshit

Indeed. All we can do is try to encourage others to be less bigoted, or at the least prone to pushing their prejudice aside when necessary.

Aye
It’s a cultural issue, not a legal one

[Woodfiredpizzas]

I wouldn’t be fine with it at all. Being fired or being denied service sucks. Especially for such a reason. But I’d accept it. Because I’m not going to violate my principles just like that. Even if it would be convenient to do so.


Yeah. It sucks, but right is right and wrong is wrong.

well i would not be ok with my employer firing me because they found out im gay. Its none of their business and has no bearing on my ability to do the job

Depends upon the job. And the employer.

[Doing it Rightland]

Insurance companies do charge different based upon gender. Because women have less frequent less serious crashes.

Hm. I never knew that. How do they come to that conclusion? I don't really see how that is fair...

For them, it probably boils down to statistics. If someone is gonna be more of a liability for an insurance company, and the company is gonna have to pay more for them, it only makes sense for them to take more from the individual to cover the cost.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I wouldn’t be fine with it at all. Being fired or being denied service sucks. Especially for such a reason. But I’d accept it. Because I’m not going to violate my principles just like that. Even if it would be convenient to do so.


Yeah. It sucks, but right is right and wrong is wrong.

well i would not be ok with my employer firing me because they found out im gay. Its none of their business and has no bearing on my ability to do the job

Agreed
And they are horrible people for doing so. But that’s how it works

[Ors Might]

I wouldn’t be fine with it at all. Being fired or being denied service sucks. Especially for such a reason. But I’d accept it. Because I’m not going to violate my principles just like that. Even if it would be convenient to do so.


Yeah. It sucks, but right is right and wrong is wrong.

well i would not be ok with my employer firing me because they found out im gay. Its none of their business and has no bearing on my ability to do the job

Yeah. But it’s still entirely their business with whom they choose associate with.

[Ors Might]

Indeed. All we can do is try to encourage others to be less bigoted, or at the least prone to pushing their prejudice aside when necessary.

Aye
It’s a cultural issue, not a legal one

On the bright side, things are getting better. We just have the misfortunate to be living during the climb.

[San Lumen]

well i would not be ok with my employer firing me because they found out im gay. Its none of their business and has no bearing on my ability to do the job

Yeah. But it’s still entirely their business with whom they choose associate with.

Unless it affects your ability to do the job an employer should not be able to fire you for it.

[Saint Arsenio]

Hm. I never knew that. How do they come to that conclusion? I don't really see how that is fair...

Actuarial science. It's interesting stuff.

It really is. I still want to know how people come up with the conclusion that Women have less destructive wrecks than Men. (I have nothing against Females, I just don't see how you could come up with this.)

I also, still don't get why Insurance Companies can charge differently based on Sex and Age. Some Drivers may be Younger, but that doesn't mean they are less careful when driving. \

[Ors Might]

Yeah. But it’s still entirely their business with whom they choose associate with.

Unless it affects your ability to do the job an employer should not be able to fire you for it.

Why not? You’re presuming a right to force people to continue associating with you.

[Saint Arsenio]

Unless it affects your ability to do the job an employer should not be able to fire you for it.

Why not? You’re presuming a right to force people to continue associating with you.

I feel that people who do this are just causing themselves to lose customers and business. It's not right but, you are correct. We can't force anyone to do anything.

[Ors Might]

Why not? You’re presuming a right to force people to continue associating with you.

I feel that people who do this are just causing themselves to lose customers and business. It's not right but, you are correct. We can't force anyone to do anything.

What’s right ain’t always easy, unfortunately.

[Great Mojave]

Discrimination is wrong, but it's not the government's job to deal with it

[San Lumen]

Discrimination is wrong, but it's not the government's job to deal with it

Why not?

[Saint Arsenio]

Discrimination is wrong, but it's not the government's job to deal with it

It's not? Wouldn't that be one of the Government Priorities? I mean, if it isn't, it'll eventually make it's way one way or another.

[Ors Might]

Discrimination is wrong, but it's not the government's job to deal with it

It's not? Wouldn't that be one of the Government Priorities? I mean, if it isn't, it'll eventually make it's way one way or another.

Depends on who’s doing the discriminating. If it’s a government official, then the government is morally required to stop it.

[Saint Arsenio]

It's not? Wouldn't that be one of the Government Priorities? I mean, if it isn't, it'll eventually make it's way one way or another.

Depends on who’s doing the discriminating. If it’s a government official, then the government is morally required to stop it.

But even if it's a small cafe or something, wouldn't it eventually make it's way to the Government? I would think so.

[Ors Might]

Depends on who’s doing the discriminating. If it’s a government official, then the government is morally required to stop it.

But even if it's a small cafe or something, wouldn't it eventually make it's way to the Government? I would think so.

The government has an ethical duty to not discriminate based on prejudices. When you work for the government, you become it’s representative. So when you’re working, you take on it’s ethical responsibilities as they relate to your work. Businesses have no such ethical responsibility, no more than individuals do.

[Ithreland]

There's already a right to discriminate: No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service discriminates against nudists, homeless people, and anyone who doesn't like shoes.

[Saint Arsenio]

There's already a right to discriminate: No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service discriminates against nudists, homeless people, and anyone who doesn't like shoes.

I don't get what you mean when you said "And anyone who doesn't like shoes... could you explain that?

[Yusseria]

Yes. If someone owns their own business then they should be able to discriminate against whomever they wish.

[The Greater Atlantic States]

If an Asian person, for example, works perfectly fine in a restaurant, acts nice to the other staff and costumers, has no disabilities, and in general is a good employee, but the manager fires him anyway because the manager hates Asians and replaces him with some random white/black/hispanic person, then there's a problem.

If a gay couple walk into a store and ask for a cake that's on the cake store's publicly-viewable menu, say, a "Newly Married" cake or something generic like that, and the cake store worker denies them the cake because they're gay, then there's a problem.

However, if the Asian person was being disruptive, or if the gay couple wanted a cake that wasn't on the menu, then it's perfectly fine to fire the Asian/not give the couple the cake.

As long as you would still fire a white/black/hispanic person or not give a straight couple the cake if either replaced the Asian/gay couple in the original scenarios, of course.

I dunno.

Just my take on it.

[Tinhampton]

There's already a right to discriminate: No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service discriminates against nudists, homeless people, and anyone who doesn't like shoes.

I don't get what you mean when you said "And anyone who doesn't like shoes... could you explain that?

If you don't like shoes, it's likely you don't wear shoes. If you don't wear shoes, you are not going to be allowed into Ithreland's fictitious business.

[Telconi]

Discrimination is wrong, but it's not the government's job to deal with it

Why not?

Because forcing your beliefs on others is wrong.

[Ors Might]

Why not?

Because forcing your beliefs on others is wrong.

Eh, not really. Forcing one’s beliefs on others is the entire premise of law and order. We just wish for the better ideas to be the ones being forced.