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The Great I am
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Postby The Great I am » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:48 pm

Novus America wrote:[

Whether or not or how much you pay has nothing to do with whether or not you are saved.


This is true when the condemnation has not been shown to be real and only expressed through lying clergy.

If condemned, you would know why would you not?

Do you know why you were condemned?

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DL

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El-Amin Caliphate
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:49 pm

The Great I am wrote:
Novus America wrote:[

Whether or not or how much you pay has nothing to do with whether or not you are saved.


This is true when the condemnation has not been shown to be real and only expressed through lying clergy.

If condemned, you would know why would you not?

Do you know why you were condemned?

Regards
DL

What are you talking about? He's saying that the Church condemned the indulgences.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:52 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:These are the religions we need to be stopping. I’m not even sure they are worthy of being called a religion, it’s just some stuff stupid people made up that doesn’t even sound convincing at all.

You could say that about every religion mate

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The Great I am
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Postby The Great I am » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:52 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Great I am wrote:Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes. Islam and Christianity being the worst of these.

Prove it.


I will let you prove it for me with your own answer, if honest.

Which religions deserve respect? Those that grow through inquisitions, jihads and murder, or those who grew without?

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The Great I am
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Postby The Great I am » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:54 pm

Olthar wrote:
The Great I am wrote:
Filthy heathen. Kidding.

Regards
DL

Oh, this is nothing to joke about. I also touch myself while looking at those boobs.


I understand the situation but fail to see the problem.

Regards
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Postby Novus America » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:54 pm

The Great I am wrote:
Novus America wrote:[

Whether or not or how much you pay has nothing to do with whether or not you are saved.


This is true when the condemnation has not been shown to be real and only expressed through lying clergy.

If condemned, you would know why would you not?

Do you know why you were condemned?

Regards
DL


Besides moving the goalposts again, what are you even saying?
The sale of indulgences was banned and condemned because it was a corrupt practices that violated key principles of Christianity.

Which is the whole point.
If you say the sale of indulgences is bad the Catholic Church agrees with you.
So what are you even arguing?
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Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:54 pm

The Great I am wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Prove it.


I will let you prove it for me with your own answer, if honest.

Which religions deserve respect? Those that grow through inquisitions, jihads and murder, or those who grew without?

Regards
DL

That which grew with jihads. Also you haven't proved anything.
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Postby Ascendatore » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:56 pm

The Great I am wrote:A moral man.

Refreshing after speaking to so many Christians with satanic morals.

Regards
DL


It seems like you are in a hurry to huddle around anyone who spouts your absurd, meaningless symbols in a desperate attempt to feel morally superior to people who spout non-compatible absurd meaningless symbols, which is also exactly what the non-compatible dogmatics have been doing for a long time now.

Your behavior is - dare I say it?

Christian.

You can also add a signature in options somewhere instead of writing 'Regards enter DL' in every single post, or you could just choose to not enter the same line of text into every post in an attempt to project your contrived internet personality onto other people.

My personal recommendation for cases like your own is to adopt a puppy and sacrifice it to Satan, and politely request a guardian fallen angel to possess exactly 49% of you in return for material power and pleasure. It worked great for me, the rewards and suffering are instantaneous.

If it doesn't work for you, all you will have lost is a bit of time and a stupid puppy.

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The Great I am
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Postby The Great I am » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:57 pm

Novus America wrote:[
Claiming just because some self proclaimed Christians did non Christian things makes all Christians bad got you banned before you know. Not a mod, but maybe try a different approach unless you wish to risk the same outcome.


The truth can hurt.

How many of the myriad of Christian cults are not homophobic and misogynous?

If you cannot answer that, then I can't either.

Regards
DL

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Postby Novus America » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:59 pm

The Great I am wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Moving the goalposts much?
I mean you can debate whether or not Christian doctrines on homosexuality and female clergy are correct (though they vary greatly from church to church).

But that has nothing to do with your initial claim that the discredited practices of over 400 years ago by one religions reflect the flaws of all religions.


Discredited??

Oh, you mean when they started using the word tithes instead of indulgences. :rofl:

Regards
DL


Umm the concept of tithes existed long before the sale of indulgences.
And again voluntary donations that have nothing to do with salvation are very different than attempting to buy salvation.
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:00 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Based on this:



I figured you'd prefer the universe where everything is made of boobs.

But then he'd either starve to death or resort to cannibalism


Olthar is a she. Also, boobs produce milk, so...I don't think starvation is a concern.
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:00 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:Except for Rastafarians, they're cool

Just asking, but nobody does seriously believe in the Cult of the Kek, right?
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:00 pm

Ascendatore wrote:
The Great I am wrote:A moral man.

Refreshing after speaking to so many Christians with satanic morals.

Regards
DL


It seems like you are in a hurry to huddle around anyone who spouts your absurd, meaningless symbols in a desperate attempt to feel morally superior to people who spout non-compatible absurd meaningless symbols, which is also exactly what the non-compatible dogmatics have been doing for a long time now.

Your behavior is - dare I say it?

Christian.

You can also add a signature in options somewhere instead of writing 'Regards enter DL' in every single post, or you could just choose to not enter the same line of text into every post in an attempt to project your contrived internet personality onto other people.

My personal recommendation for cases like your own is to adopt a puppy and sacrifice it to Satan, and politely request a guardian fallen angel to possess exactly 49% of you in return for material power and pleasure. It worked great for me, the rewards and suffering are instantaneous.

If it doesn't work for you, all you will have lost is a bit of time and a stupid puppy.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:00 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:But then he'd either starve to death or resort to cannibalism


Olthar is a she.

Point still stands
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Postby Ascendatore » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:01 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:That which grew with jihads.


This is pretty self-evident and could be explained through evolutionary biology or capitalist economics instead of theology. The jihad religion set to win Europe in about 50 years, which means that the God of this world, Natura, favors it more than the other old religions.

That said, the ideal religion is clearly Liberalism. From a practical point of view, Greed is the strongest spirit of this age and appealing to people's desire for needless material advancement has worked better than trying to herd them towards a salvation they do not understand or deserve.

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:01 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:But then he'd either starve to death or resort to cannibalism


Olthar is a she.

Oh damn, I'll fix that ASAP

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Except for Rastafarians, they're cool

Just asking, but nobody does seriously believe in the Cult of the Kek, right?

Of course not, It's a meme religion made by 4chan. It should be taken as seriously as Pastafarianism
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Postby The Great I am » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:01 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Great I am wrote:
Just look at the countries that have less religion to see that they are more peaceful than the countries that are more religious. The world peace index is where to confirm this.

Regards
DL

Correlation =/= causation


Yep, and what I put should shame the religious, but given the moral sense of most theists, they are oblivious to this fact.

Regards
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:01 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Olthar is a she.

Point still stands


See edit.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:01 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Except for Rastafarians, they're cool

Just asking, but nobody does seriously believe in the Cult of the Kek, right?

Egyptian pantheon getting quite the resurgence these days.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:02 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Just asking, but nobody does seriously believe in the Cult of the Kek, right?

Egyptian pantheon getting quite the resurgence these days.


I'll take Sobek over Kek any day.
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Postby Marcianus » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:03 pm

Eh, I'm agnostic. We will never know what saving means, trust me.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:04 pm

The Great I am wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Correlation =/= causation


Yep, and what I put should shame the religious, but given the moral sense of most theists, they are oblivious to this fact.

Regards
DL

You misunderstand.

I'm saying that non-religious countries being more happy than religious countries isn't a reason to say that religion makes people unhappy.
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Postby Novus America » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:04 pm

The Great I am wrote:
Novus America wrote:[
Claiming just because some self proclaimed Christians did non Christian things makes all Christians bad got you banned before you know. Not a mod, but maybe try a different approach unless you wish to risk the same outcome.


The truth can hurt.

How many of the myriad of Christian cults are not homophobic and misogynous?

If you cannot answer that, then I can't either.

Regards
DL


Christian sects vary greatly on these issues. Given the complexity and subjectivity if it exact indisputable numbers are not going to be possible.

Sounds like you are just screaming “all Christians are evil” again based on the actions of some.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:05 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Egyptian pantheon getting quite the resurgence these days.


I'll take Sobek over Kek any day.

Just don’t say you’re a follower of Isis these days
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:05 pm

GnosticChristian you still haven't proven/explained how Al-Islam and Christianity are evil.
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