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Which Candidate do you support?

Bernie
102
33%
Beto
3
1%
Biden
15
5%
Buttigieg
27
9%
Harris
4
1%
Warren
17
6%
Yang
24
8%
Trump
88
29%
Weld
3
1%
Other
25
8%
 
Total votes : 308

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:13 am


Buttigieg (pronounced “boot-edge-edge”)

I guarantee that no one will pronounce it like that.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:14 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:It's either a democrat now or keep on the track of polarization, alienation, and radicalization of America's youth and AOC in 2024.

The choice is yours, Republicans. Which evil would you like in the short-term?

She’s never going to get elected ya know. The DNC is gonna squash her re-election like a bug


I don't see why they would. She's good publicity for the base.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:21 am

Valrifell wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:She’s never going to get elected ya know. The DNC is gonna squash her re-election like a bug


I don't see why they would. She's good publicity for the base.

The right in America are pushing a narrative, clearly with some success, that there is great animosity between AOC and Pelosi/the DNC, that the Democratic establishment hates AOC for not "playing the game". Divide et impera and all that.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:36 am

Ifreann wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I don't see why they would. She's good publicity for the base.

The right in America are pushing a narrative, clearly with some success, that there is great animosity between AOC and Pelosi/the DNC, that the Democratic establishment hates AOC for not "playing the game". Divide et impera and all that.


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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:50 am

Ifreann wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:She’s never going to get elected ya know. The DNC is gonna squash her re-election like a bug

It's always interesting when people insist that someone holding elected office is unelectable.

Elected with DNC support on the local level =/= elected at the National level. Remember this is the nation that thinks socialism means government doing things.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:51 am

Ifreann wrote:

Buttigieg (pronounced “boot-edge-edge”)

I guarantee that no one will pronounce it like that.

Well he does like butts
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:52 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
I guarantee that no one will pronounce it like that.

Well he does like butts


I am state-sanctioned to smack you on the hand for that statement.

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:54 am

Valrifell wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:She’s never going to get elected ya know. The DNC is gonna squash her re-election like a bug


I don't see why they would. She's good publicity for the base.

Ifreann wrote:
Seangoli wrote:
State wide elections are not necessarily a great indication on General elections. What gets someone elected jn California is not necessarily getting someone elected in Ohio or Florida.

Sure, but Therm was talking about her getting re-elected in New York.

And I’m pretty that they will. She unseated a high ranking democrat. After what they pulled in 2016 in not putting it past them to run a primary candidate against her.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:55 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It's always interesting when people insist that someone holding elected office is unelectable.

Elected with DNC support on the local level =/= elected at the National level. Remember this is the nation that thinks socialism means government doing things.

AOC beat the party favourite in the primary, and did it solely with local support. But sure, now that she's in the news every day winning them more support the DNC will unleash their full might and destroy her.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:56 am

Ifreann wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I don't see why they would. She's good publicity for the base.

The right in America are pushing a narrative, clearly with some success, that there is great animosity between AOC and Pelosi/the DNC, that the Democratic establishment hates AOC for not "playing the game". Divide et impera and all that.

Oh please it’s not a “right wing narrative” it’s the DNC is run by a bunch of shady crooks. Look what they did to sanders. Do you seriously think they aren’t going to drown her re-election campaign?
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:00 am

Ifreann wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Elected with DNC support on the local level =/= elected at the National level. Remember this is the nation that thinks socialism means government doing things.

AOC beat the party favourite in the primary, and did it solely with local support. But sure, now that she's in the news every day winning them more support the DNC will unleash their full might and destroy her.

Not exactly so sure that she’s winning them the support or if it’s Trump. And still the DNC is quite right leaning they don’t really like the whole free Medicare for all.

The DNC didn’t do anything about the race because it has a bad habit of thinking that elections are guaranteed wins. That a primary campaign wasn’t going to happen. They don’t forget such things.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:02 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The right in America are pushing a narrative, clearly with some success, that there is great animosity between AOC and Pelosi/the DNC, that the Democratic establishment hates AOC for not "playing the game". Divide et impera and all that.

Oh please it’s not a “right wing narrative” it’s the DNC is run by a bunch of shady crooks. Look what they did to sanders.

Nothing? Oh how evil.
Do you seriously think they aren’t going to drown her re-election campaign?

I don't think they are, no. I think they'll recognise that backing her is the right choice.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:05 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:AOC beat the party favourite in the primary, and did it solely with local support. But sure, now that she's in the news every day winning them more support the DNC will unleash their full might and destroy her.

Not exactly so sure that she’s winning them the support or if it’s Trump. And still the DNC is quite right leaning they don’t really like the whole free Medicare for all.

The DNC didn’t do anything about the race because it has a bad habit of thinking that elections are guaranteed wins. That a primary campaign wasn’t going to happen. They don’t forget such things.

The DNC simultaneously assumes that their preferred candidate will easily win any primary contest, and never forgets when their preferred candidate loses a primary contest. Fascinating.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:12 am

Ifreann wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Oh please it’s not a “right wing narrative” it’s the DNC is run by a bunch of shady crooks. Look what they did to sanders.

Nothing? Oh how evil.

Typical. You’re just going to ignore the entire scandal that led to several people resigning in the DNC because it conflicts with your narrative. Debbie Wasserman Schultz remember her? She was the DNC chair in 2016 who resigned of a scandal that the DNC tried to sabotage the sanders campaign
But sure the DNC would never attempt to destroy someone’s campaign out of spite
Do you seriously think they aren’t going to drown her re-election campaign?

I don't think they are, no. I think they'll recognise that backing her is the right choice.

Hahahahaha hahahahaha hahahahaha hahahah
They fucking won’t. She took out one of their own. They don’t let that down.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:14 am

Ifreann wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Not exactly so sure that she’s winning them the support or if it’s Trump. And still the DNC is quite right leaning they don’t really like the whole free Medicare for all.

The DNC didn’t do anything about the race because it has a bad habit of thinking that elections are guaranteed wins. That a primary campaign wasn’t going to happen. They don’t forget such things.

The DNC simultaneously assumes that their preferred candidate will easily win any primary contest, and never forgets when their preferred candidate loses a primary contest. Fascinating.

You do know what a grudge is right? Or do you need to go back to pre-school?
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:14 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Nothing? Oh how evil.

Typical. You’re just going to ignore the entire scandal that led to several people resigning in the DNC because it conflicts with your narrative. Debbie Wasserman Schultz remember her? She was the DNC chair in 2016 who resigned of a scandal that the DNC tried to sabotage the sanders campaign
But sure the DNC would never attempt to destroy someone’s campaign out of spite
I don't think they are, no. I think they'll recognise that backing her is the right choice.

Hahahahaha hahahahaha hahahahaha hahahah
They fucking won’t. She took out one of their own. They don’t let that down.


It's all right, Therm. Most people have forgotten that this is why we have the whole Russia mess.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:16 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:Trump's opposition is:

- A woman who is drunk before she touches a beer, that nobody really likes except out of pity
- A discount Hillary Clinton from New York
- Latino guy who looks like Joker without makeup who spend 3 years claiming a wage for a job he made less impact in than this guy
- Random WV plebeian cupcake who will lose the nomination for being a white male anyway
- Random MD plebeian cupcake who is far too moderate and white and male for Dems

I'd say Trump could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and can walk through this election blindfolded and still win.

That random West Virginian “plebeian cupcake” is anything but and he’s done more than your sorry self


I'm sorry but here in the civilised part of Earth known as Europe we do not see the mere participation in the Armed Forces as a ticket to permanent respect at the behest of society despite actions or views one may spout, and hence your post makes little sense and makes as much sense as saying "because God exists," thus you ought to find yourself a better reasoning.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:18 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:That random West Virginian “plebeian cupcake” is anything but and he’s done more than your sorry self


I'm sorry but here in the civilised part of Earth known as Europe we do not see the mere participation in the Armed Forces as a ticket to permanent respect at the behest of society despite actions or views one may spout, and hence your post makes little sense and makes as much sense as saying "because God exists," thus you ought to find yourself a better reasoning.

The UK is civilized? Hahahahaha hahahahaha. Your government can’t find its way out of a paper bag
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:19 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:That random West Virginian “plebeian cupcake” is anything but and he’s done more than your sorry self


I'm sorry but here in the civilised part of Earth known as Europe we do not see the mere participation in the Armed Forces as a ticket to permanent respect at the behest of society despite actions or views one may spout, and hence your post makes little sense and makes as much sense as saying "because God exists," thus you ought to find yourself a better reasoning.


I would've never thought you as a European.

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Postby Trumptonium1 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:20 am

Valrifell wrote:It's either a democrat now or keep on the track of polarization, alienation, and radicalization of America's youth and AOC in 2024.

The choice is yours, Republicans. Which evil would you like in the short-term?


I think Republicans prefer the latter. The amount of white youth that will get radicalised by the events like Covington last week where they are seen as criminals because of their skin colour while standing in public means America is heading for an interesting time period.

Let's not pretend any white kid in Covington isn't going to be a permanent right-wing nationalist Republican right now.
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:20 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
I'm sorry but here in the civilised part of Earth known as Europe we do not see the mere participation in the Armed Forces as a ticket to permanent respect at the behest of society despite actions or views one may spout, and hence your post makes little sense and makes as much sense as saying "because God exists," thus you ought to find yourself a better reasoning.


I would've never thought you as a European.


Yep. Polish-born, lives in Britain.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:22 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
I'm sorry but here in the civilised part of Earth known as Europe we do not see the mere participation in the Armed Forces as a ticket to permanent respect at the behest of society despite actions or views one may spout, and hence your post makes little sense and makes as much sense as saying "because God exists," thus you ought to find yourself a better reasoning.

The UK is civilized? Hahahahaha hahahahaha. Your government can’t find its way out of a paper bag


By that threshold the only civilised country is Switzerland since they're the only one that doesn't get voted down, can form a government and doesn't have yearly shutdowns.

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
I'm sorry but here in the civilised part of Earth known as Europe we do not see the mere participation in the Armed Forces as a ticket to permanent respect at the behest of society despite actions or views one may spout, and hence your post makes little sense and makes as much sense as saying "because God exists," thus you ought to find yourself a better reasoning.


I would've never thought you as a European.


Well something like 25% of my posts are in the UK politics thread which is a good indicator. Unless you're talking about Brexit, but then again, leaving the EU doesn't mean leaving Europe. If anything it means joining it.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:27 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Nothing? Oh how evil.

Typical. You’re just going to ignore the entire scandal that led to several people resigning in the DNC because it conflicts with your narrative. Debbie Wasserman Schultz remember her? She was the DNC chair in 2016 who resigned of a scandal that the DNC tried to sabotage the sanders campaign
But sure the DNC would never attempt to destroy someone’s campaign out of spite

They supported one candidate over the other, therefore they'll definitely do every evil thing you can imagine them doing. Seems legit.
I don't think they are, no. I think they'll recognise that backing her is the right choice.

Hahahahaha hahahahaha hahahahaha hahahah
They fucking won’t. She took out one of their own. They don’t let that down.

They're politicians. They'll do what they think will get them the power to advance their agenda.

I know it's simpler to believe that they're just baddies who'll do bad things every time because they're baddies and baddies gotta bad, but this isn't really how the real world works.


Thermodolia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The DNC simultaneously assumes that their preferred candidate will easily win any primary contest, and never forgets when their preferred candidate loses a primary contest. Fascinating.

You do know what a grudge is right? Or do you need to go back to pre-school?

They always hold grudges over losing primaries, but also always assume they'll win every primary, because they've forgotten all the grudges that they never forget.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:27 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Valrifell wrote:It's either a democrat now or keep on the track of polarization, alienation, and radicalization of America's youth and AOC in 2024.

The choice is yours, Republicans. Which evil would you like in the short-term?


I think Republicans prefer the latter. The amount of white youth that will get radicalised by the events like Covington last week where they are seen as criminals because of their skin colour while standing in public means America is heading for an interesting time period.

Let's not pretend any white kid in Covington isn't going to be a permanent right-wing nationalist Republican right now.


They go to an all-boys Catholic school in Kentucky, my dude, they were guaranteed GOP voters from the outset. And they wore MAGA hats on a field trip to a pro-life march, in case you forgot.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:28 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The UK is civilized? Hahahahaha hahahahaha. Your government can’t find its way out of a paper bag


By that threshold the only civilised country is Switzerland since they're the only one that doesn't get voted down, can form a government and doesn't have yearly shutdowns.

...And your point is?
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