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Nakena
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Postby Nakena » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:46 am

San Lumen wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Nah it’s just the way it works here
We can’t enact gun control because second amendment
We can’t give wide mental health care because socialism
The American way is for us all to just accept we could all be murdered by a psychopath any time we step into the public


Maybe when a elected official suffers a personal tragedy in a mass shooting then something will change. To be clear I do not want that to occur but even if it did I doubt anything would change then either.


Already happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Cong ... l_shooting

Look, it is exactly as IB said. Theres no escape from it.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:47 am

Nakena wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Maybe when a elected official suffers a personal tragedy in a mass shooting then something will change. To be clear I do not want that to occur but even if it did I doubt anything would change then either.


Already happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Cong ... l_shooting

Look, it is exactly as IB said. Theres no escape from it.

At this point no. I have accepted its never going to change. These type of events no longer have any effect on me.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:50 am

San Lumen wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Already happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Cong ... l_shooting

Look, it is exactly as IB said. Theres no escape from it.

At this point no. I have accepted its never going to change. These type of events no longer have any effect on me.

I think we’d sooner pass a law to put all victims of a mass shooting in the same grave to save on space than a law to deal with the problem
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Postby Caracasus » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:50 am

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Honestly, just report the facts. No exciting shots of ambulances, no desprate speculation of motive, no dodgy mugshots or interviews with panicked survivors just the basic, unsensationalised facts.

Something like:

At 11pm today a man opened fire in x, killing however many and wounding however many others.
make it a part of the weather, it is just as regular as that.


Cloudy with a chance of semiautomatic weapon fire?
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Postby The blAAtschApen » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:52 am

Caracasus wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:make it a part of the weather, it is just as regular as that.


Cloudy with a chance of semiautomatic weapon fire?


Pretty much, it is raining bullets.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:03 pm

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Cloudy with a chance of semiautomatic weapon fire?


Pretty much, it is raining bullets.

H-hallelujah? :unsure:
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Postby The blAAtschApen » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:05 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
Pretty much, it is raining bullets.

H-hallelujah? :unsure:


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Postby Telconi » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:08 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Nah it’s just the way it works here
We can’t enact gun control because second amendment
We can’t give wide mental health care because socialism
The American way is for us all to just accept we could all be murdered by a psychopath any time we step into the public


Maybe when a elected official suffers a personal tragedy in a mass shooting then something will change. To be clear I do not want that to occur but even if it did I doubt anything would change then either.


Well that's a mean thing to say...
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:12 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Maybe when a elected official suffers a personal tragedy in a mass shooting then something will change. To be clear I do not want that to occur but even if it did I doubt anything would change then either.


Well that's a mean thing to say...

Republicans are going to dismiss Mass Shootings as Somebody Else's Problem until it hits them or their own.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:14 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Well that's a mean thing to say...

Republicans are going to dismiss Mass Shootings as Somebody Else's Problem until it hits them or their own.


How can they keep doing that which they aren't doing?
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Postby The Isle of Beithe » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:52 pm

Nakena wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Maybe when a elected official suffers a personal tragedy in a mass shooting then something will change. To be clear I do not want that to occur but even if it did I doubt anything would change then either.


Already happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Cong ... l_shooting

Look, it is exactly as IB said. Theres no escape from it.


Don't forget:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tucson_shooting
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:55 pm

Nakena wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Maybe when a elected official suffers a personal tragedy in a mass shooting then something will change. To be clear I do not want that to occur but even if it did I doubt anything would change then either.


Already happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Cong ... l_shooting

Look, it is exactly as IB said. Theres no escape from it.

The only fatality was the shooter. Nobody was crippled.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Loben
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Postby Loben » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:20 pm

Glock makes .45 pistols?

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:26 pm

Loben wrote:Glock makes .45 pistols?

Yes, three, chambered for .45 GAP.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:29 pm

Loben wrote:Glock makes .45 pistols?


Glock's claim to fame is being a pioneer in plastic/polymer handguns and it'd be easy enough to chamber a firearm for each of the various pistol calibers that're popular or common in today's market. In the old days, handguns were produced with primarily metals. Glock has branched out from their 9mm fare.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:29 pm

Loben wrote:Glock makes .45 pistols?


A good number, in two different. 45 chamberings.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:32 pm

The blAAtschApen wrote:So I've heard this is the biggest shooting in..... 11 days.

Not years, not even months.

Days.

Like, you have less chance to be murdered by a Muslim extremist. One of "your own" will shoot ya first.


Actually, if you factor in inner city killings across this country, it's actually less then that.

Thanks Chicago! :clap:

San Lumen wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Already happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Cong ... l_shooting

Look, it is exactly as IB said. Theres no escape from it.

At this point no. I have accepted its never going to change. These type of events no longer have any effect on me.


Cool story bro.

Now, can we get back to being realistic? Cause clearly, despite you saying otherwise, this isn't actually the case or else you wouldn't "be here".

San Lumen wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:America, the land that has so many school shootings we tried to make bulletproof backpacks a thing

And the only country in the world were mass shootings happen on a regular basis. Ive accepted at this point its never going to change. Maybe when my generation finally takes power it will.


Clearly, California needs to enact more common sense gun control to prevent tragedies such as this from ever happening again. Please, for the love of fucking god, tell me what those are cause clearly if the poster state for "Common sense" gun control can't stop these events from happening, then perhaps it's finally time to admit the average "common sense" reform actually does jack shit and start actually addressing issues that are more likely to have a positive net outcome against these types of events. Or, we can keep treating firearms like they are Chucky dolls possessed by an evil spirit and killing people indiscriminately on their own free will, falsely placing blame on the NRA and it's members in a laughable attempt to scapegoat/guilt them into submission ect ect while stomping our feet in inaction and let people continue dying so that we can stand upon a pile of bloody corpses to further push our revolting political agendas.

Telconi wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Republicans are going to dismiss Mass Shootings as Somebody Else's Problem until it hits them or their own.


How can they keep doing that which they aren't doing?


Gauth physics, duh.

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Postby Uxupox » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:44 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:So I've heard this is the biggest shooting in..... 11 days.

Not years, not even months.

Days.

Like, you have less chance to be murdered by a Muslim extremist. One of "your own" will shoot ya first.


Actually, if you factor in inner city killings across this country, it's actually less then that.

Thanks Chicago! :clap:

San Lumen wrote:At this point no. I have accepted its never going to change. These type of events no longer have any effect on me.


Cool story bro.

Now, can we get back to being realistic? Cause clearly, despite you saying otherwise, this isn't actually the case or else you wouldn't "be here".

San Lumen wrote:And the only country in the world were mass shootings happen on a regular basis. Ive accepted at this point its never going to change. Maybe when my generation finally takes power it will.


Clearly, California needs to enact more common sense gun control to prevent tragedies such as this from ever happening again. Please, for the love of fucking god, tell me what those are cause clearly if the poster state for "Common sense" gun control can't stop these events from happening, then perhaps it's finally time to admit the average "common sense" reform actually does jack shit and start actually addressing issues that are more likely to have a positive net outcome against these types of events. Or, we can keep treating firearms like they are Chucky dolls possessed by an evil spirit and killing people indiscriminately on their own free will, falsely placing blame on the NRA and it's members in a laughable attempt to scapegoat/guilt them into submission ect ect while stomping our feet in inaction and let people continue dying so that we can stand upon a pile of bloody corpses to further push our revolting political agendas.

Telconi wrote:
How can they keep doing that which they aren't doing?


Gauth physics, duh.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:44 pm

Loben wrote:Glock makes .45 pistols?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock#.45_ACP

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Postby Loben » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:45 pm

I want one.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:46 pm

Mental health issues really need a serious discussion.

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Postby Telconi » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:54 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:Mental health issues really need a serious discussion.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/11/08/ ... s-stop-it/


We'll never get one. There's no political will for it from either side.
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Postby The blAAtschApen » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:11 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Mental health issues really need a serious discussion.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/11/08/ ... s-stop-it/


We'll never get one. There's no political will for it from either side.


They're all afraid that they end up as mentally ill people *nods*
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Postby Telconi » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:29 pm

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
We'll never get one. There's no political will for it from either side.


They're all afraid that they end up as mentally ill people *nods*


tbf, that is a concern, that the government could unilaterally define certain conditions or behaviors as mental illess and then strip a person of civil rights as a result is a very valid concern.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:09 pm

Loben wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Id like to hope something will change now that the House has changed hands but I doubt it will as the Senate will do nothing because their new members are financed by the gun lobby and NRA.

You can take my gun rights away when i can take your right to be married away.


Sounds like a win-win to me.

Telconi wrote:We'll never get one. There's no political will for it from either side.


The problem is that it is being treated as a political issue rather than a health issue. Here our government's launched a review into the mental health system after some high profile suicides and the revelation that the biggest killer of men under 30 is suicide.
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