Right Wing Discussion Thread XIII: Do the Right thing

[Uxupox]

lesson learned. don't make bombs kiddo.

Akhi made a clock lol

no he made a bomb.

[Oil exporting People]

Given the conversation momentarily lapsed into Slavery, obligatory The South Did Nothing Wrong.

I like quite a few things about the Antebellum South. I wouldn't go so far as to say that they did nothing wrong, however.

Well, it depends upon how you define it. In so far as the indiscretions of the Planters, yes; sexual exploitation and naked physical abuse of slaves is obviously a wrong. My entire point, however, was with regards to the South as an entity, in so far as it was not wrong to wage conflict to secure its independence nor was it wrong, in general, that it structured itself on slavery given the realities of the time.

[Northern Davincia]

I like quite a few things about the Antebellum South. I wouldn't go so far as to say that they did nothing wrong, however.

Well, it depends upon how you define. In so far as the indiscretions of the Planters, yes; sexual exploitation and naked physical abuse of slaves is obviously a wrong. My entire point, however, was with regards to the South as an entity, in so far as it was not wrong to wage conflict to secure its independence nor was it wrong, in general, that it structured itself on slavery given the realities of the time.

Had the south not seceded, Lincoln would never have touched slavery. They gave in to paranoia.

[Jolthig]

"F is for fire that burns down the whole town. U is for uranium; bombs. N is for no survivors when you-!"

We should make this the motto of the RWDT.

Ok, Ahmed

Except for him, I'd guess.

Lol if Hel is up for it. I'm no right winger though lol

[Oil exporting People]

Btw, I'm a white American convert to Islam. Am I an enemy to your ideology now?

Yes.

[The South Falls]

We should make this the motto of the RWDT.

Except for him, I'd guess.

Lol if Hel is up for it. I'm no right winger though lol

Neither am I. Scoring a negative 7 social is... wow.

[Jolthig]

Btw, I'm a white American convert to Islam. Am I an enemy to your ideology now?

Yes.

Well at least you answered it.

As for you, why?

[Oil exporting People]

Well, it depends upon how you define. In so far as the indiscretions of the Planters, yes; sexual exploitation and naked physical abuse of slaves is obviously a wrong. My entire point, however, was with regards to the South as an entity, in so far as it was not wrong to wage conflict to secure its independence nor was it wrong, in general, that it structured itself on slavery given the realities of the time.

Had the south not seceded, Lincoln would never have touched slavery. They gave in to paranoia.

With Lincoln? Yes. In the long run, however, they could not be so sure; in 1856, the GOP had nominated Fremont afterall and Seward had come close in 1860.

[Jolthig]

Lol if Hel is up for it. I'm no right winger though lol

Neither am I. Scoring a negative 7 social is... wow.

Lol, I haven't taken the test in a long time.

[Northern Davincia]

Had the south not seceded, Lincoln would never have touched slavery. They gave in to paranoia.

With Lincoln? Yes. In the long run, however, they could not be so sure; in 1856, the GOP had nominated Fremont afterall and Seward had come close in 1860.

I'm afraid I don't grasp the "given realities" that would necessitate slavery.

[Kowani]

With Lincoln? Yes. In the long run, however, they could not be so sure; in 1856, the GOP had nominated Fremont afterall and Seward had come close in 1860.

I'm afraid I don't grasp the "given realities" that would necessitate slavery.

Well, after Bacon's rebellion against the treatment of indentured servants in British Colonial America, the colonists realized they needed cheap, dependable labor with no rights and the bare minimum of expenses. However, racism, racist psuedoscience and religion got dragged into it as well to "justify" the system. An economy was built on it, and reemoving those kind of attitudes is hard.

[Camelone]

NAP?

Non-Aggression Principle

[Fahran]

Well, it depends upon how you define it. In so far as the indiscretions of the Planters, yes; sexual exploitation and naked physical abuse of slaves is obviously a wrong. My entire point, however, was with regards to the South as an entity, in so far as it was not wrong to wage conflict to secure its independence nor was it wrong, in general, that it structured itself on slavery given the realities of the time.

The Civil War was a folly from beginning to end. The gallantry, loyalty, and valor of some officers and soldiers does not preclude it from being a folly. Good men die in service to bad causes all the time. It's one of humanity's most heart-rending tragedies.

Republican as in the Republican Party.

The Protestant Revivalism that many of them espoused was hardly a leftist political ideology. They opposed slavery because, on some level, they perceived black people's humanity and made the logical conclusion based on Christian theology and philosophy that slavery was an aberration of the natural order and thus morally reprehensible. You can argue that abolition was a liberal/progressive position in so far as it proposed to alter society, but it certainly wouldn't have precluded conservative political thinkers from holding abolitionist sentiments.

And you belong where you ancestors were stolen from. After all, if they weren't stolen, you wouldn't be in the US. You would be living it up in a great African palace with an amazing cultural atmosphere.

You do realize that culturally Kumba has far more in common with you than someone from Burkina Faso, right? And you probably have far more in common with him or me than you do with someone from Russia? Racial nationalism is silly and your argument is silly. Can you even nationalism?

I mean, you're not giving birth, so it might be fun for you.

483 kids? Yeah, no.

Can we stop proposing hyper-natalism, boys?

[Sahansahiye Iran]

I would like a yes or a no.
Do you think it's acceptable to own people as property?

What I think doesn't matter. What matters is what is acceptable in Al-Islam.

Are you absolutely incapable of providing an independent opinion on literally anything?

Do you personally believe it is alright to own another person? Not Islamically. Not legally in any way. Just do you personally think that is an okay thing?

[Second Empire of America]

My entire point, however, was with regards to the South as an entity, in so far as it was not wrong to wage conflict to secure its independence nor was it wrong, in general, that it structured itself on slavery given the realities of the time.

Slavery is irredeemably evil. It was morally abhorrent to structure the south's economy on it, and the American government had every right to go invade them to stop them from enslaving people. My only complaint is that the American government was too soft on the south. Anyone who owned slaves should have been imprisoned, and federal troops should have stayed in the south much longer than they did.

[Bienenhalde]

Btw, I'm a white American convert to Islam. Am I an enemy to your ideology now?

Yes.

From a cultural nationalist point of view, I could understand where someone might say that Islam is incompatible with America's Protestant cultural values. Then again, one could say the same thing about Julius Evola.

[Bienenhalde]

Republican as in the Republican Party.

The Protestant Revivalism that many of them espoused was hardly a leftist political ideology. They opposed slavery because, on some level, they perceived black people's humanity and made the logical conclusion based on Christian theology and philosophy that slavery was an aberration of the natural order and thus morally reprehensible. You can argue that abolition was a liberal/progressive position in so far as it proposed to alter society, but it certainly wouldn't have precluded conservative political thinkers from holding abolitionist sentiments.

This is exactly the point I was trying to make before. Much as modern day Democrats and left-progressives like to portray themselves as the modern successors to abolitionists and 19th century Republicans, in reality such a claim is mostly rubbish.

[Northeast American Federation]

My entire point, however, was with regards to the South as an entity, in so far as it was not wrong to wage conflict to secure its independence nor was it wrong, in general, that it structured itself on slavery given the realities of the time.

Slavery is irredeemably evil. It was morally abhorrent to structure the south's economy on it, and the American government had every right to go invade them to stop them from enslaving people. My only complaint is that the American government was too soft on the south. Anyone who owned slaves should have been imprisoned, and federal troops should have stayed in the south much longer than they did.

How long should they have stayed? And how long should the former slave owners been imprisoned? And hell, if slavery is so evil, why not kill the slave owners?

Actually, killing some of the slave owners might have curbed the potential existence of the KKK, so that might have been a decent idea, but other than that, there was no real need to treat the south like occupied territory forever. Destruction was visited on southern cities the likes of which wasn't seen again until World War 1. In the end, the Confederate army was starving and broken, fleeing the Union. I think it's fair to say that by the time the war ended, most people had gotten the message, and anyone who didn't probably never would regardless of how long the occupation was.

[Sovaal]

My entire point, however, was with regards to the South as an entity, in so far as it was not wrong to wage conflict to secure its independence nor was it wrong, in general, that it structured itself on slavery given the realities of the time.

Slavery is irredeemably evil. It was morally abhorrent to structure the south's economy on it, and the American government had every right to go invade them to stop them from enslaving people. My only complaint is that the American government was too soft on the south. Anyone who owned slaves should have been imprisoned, and federal troops should have stayed in the south much longer than they did.

^

[Torrocca]

My entire point, however, was with regards to the South as an entity, in so far as it was not wrong to wage conflict to secure its independence nor was it wrong, in general, that it structured itself on slavery given the realities of the time.

Slavery is irredeemably evil. It was morally abhorrent to structure the south's economy on it, and the American government had every right to go invade them to stop them from enslaving people. My only complaint is that the American government was too soft on the south. Anyone who owned slaves should have been imprisoned, and federal troops should have stayed in the south much longer than they did.

NGL, but you're barking up a brick wall, friendo.

[Northeast American Federation]

Slavery is irredeemably evil. It was morally abhorrent to structure the south's economy on it, and the American government had every right to go invade them to stop them from enslaving people. My only complaint is that the American government was too soft on the south. Anyone who owned slaves should have been imprisoned, and federal troops should have stayed in the south much longer than they did.

NGL, but you're barking up a brick wall, friendo.

So sorry we forgot to nuke the south after burning it to the ground to make sure nothing would ever live there again. That would have been the progressive thing to do.

[Bienenhalde]

I mean, you're not giving birth, so it might be fun for you.

483 kids? Yeah, no.

Can we stop proposing hyper-natalism, boys?

Yeah, the last thing we need right now is more overpopulation.

[Torrocca]

NGL, but you're barking up a brick wall, friendo.

So sorry we forgot to nuke the south after burning it to the ground to make sure nothing would ever live there again. That would have been the progressive thing to do.

We really should've Nuremberg'd the plantation owners tbh.

[Northeast American Federation]

So sorry we forgot to nuke the south after burning it to the ground to make sure nothing would ever live there again. That would have been the progressive thing to do.

We really should've Nuremberg'd the plantation owners tbh.

Well, we can always just make up for it now by forcing white people to pay reparations or something, right?

[Torrocca]

We really should've Nuremberg'd the plantation owners tbh.

Well, we can always just make up for it now by forcing white people to pay reparations or something, right?

Jettison us into deep space, duh. /s