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Which Kievan/Novrogrodian/Russian/Soviet leader was the greatest?

Rurik
12
6%
Vladimir I the Great
12
6%
Alexander Nevsky
9
4%
Ivan I of Moscow
3
1%
Ivan IV the Terrible
23
11%
Boris Godunov
1
0%
Michael Romanov
2
1%
Peter I The Great
66
31%
Lenin
50
24%
Iosif Stalin
32
15%
 
Total votes : 210

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Taihei Tengoku
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:57 am

Hakons wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:Twenty talents of supreme court picks

Christianity as it turns out is about winning knife fights on Earth


You're still posting nonsense. Go to the CDT if you want to complain about the supposedly terrible state of Christianity.

CDT is merely the club which RWDT grasps--why strike the hand rather than the body?
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The Parkus Empire
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:57 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
Fahran wrote:Restoring the family unit might prove a sound cultural trend as well if your intention is to restore religion as a focal point of public, albeit not necessarily political, life. Oddly enough, certain racial and ethnic minorities who presently vote Democrat would be quite grateful to see such policies implemented given that Democratic partisans tend to be more atheistic and secular than their rank-and-file voters.


Very good point. And considering current demographic trends, it is very important that the Republican party should make more of an effort to reach out to socially conservative minority voters.

Through what sort of policies?
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Postby Bienenhalde » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:05 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Very good point. And considering current demographic trends, it is very important that the Republican party should make more of an effort to reach out to socially conservative minority voters.

Through what sort of policies?


More funding for anti-bias training for police, elimination of overly lenient treatment for white criminals, pushing the police to arrest more white people who commit drug crimes, more social services for poor mothers and children, more focus on reducing the abortion rate, zero-tolerance attitude towards hate crimes and incitement of racial tension, and opposition to confederate monuments on government property.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:06 am

Genivaria wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Policy-wise, Trump is very good for Christianity, his judge picks might permit school prayer to return for example.

Trump is to Christians as Lenin is to Tsarist Russia.

He is ordering them to be put to death?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:10 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Through what sort of policies?


More funding for anti-bias training for police, elimination of overly lenient treatment for white criminals, pushing the police to arrest more white people who commit drug crimes, more social services for poor mothers and children, more focus on reducing the abortion rate, zero-tolerance attitude towards hate crimes and incitement of racial tension, and opposition to confederate monuments on government property.


The last thing we should be doing is arresting more people for drug crimes.
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The Parkus Empire
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:13 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Through what sort of policies?


More funding for anti-bias training for police, elimination of overly lenient treatment for white criminals, pushing the police to arrest more white people who commit drug crimes, more social services for poor mothers and children, more focus on reducing the abortion rate, zero-tolerance attitude towards hate crimes and incitement of racial tension, and opposition to confederate monuments on government property.

None of these are actually policies, they're just pressure and training spending to virtue signal. Except for the poor mothers thing, how much more money were you suggesting we pay mothers to be single? Name the figure you had in mind.

Telling state governments they should tear down statues of state heroes is not something I care to do.
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Postby Hakons » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:19 am

Taihei Tengoku wrote:
Hakons wrote:
You're still posting nonsense. Go to the CDT if you want to complain about the supposedly terrible state of Christianity.

CDT is merely the club which RWDT grasps--why strike the hand rather than the body?


Lol, no it isn't. Why do you have such an attraction for false claims? The CDT is for Christianity. Half the people on this thread are secular. The CDT has users with a ton of different views. This thread is largely made of right wingers. Now, our Christian faith does tend to put us on the conservative side of things, but that doesn't make the CDT the "hand" of the RWDT "body." People on the CDT are motivated by their Christianity, not their politics. Religion is much more important than politics to us.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:20 am

Taihei Tengoku wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Policy-wise, Trump is very good for Christianity, his judge picks might permit school prayer to return for example.

Twenty talents of supreme court picks

Christianity as it turns out is about winning knife fights on Earth

Christianity became political the day it ceased to be outlawed.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:21 am

I also don't think I inciting racial "tension" is a crime.
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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:23 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:I also don't think I inciting racial "tension" is a crime.

It depends. Incitement is illegal already. If a person riles up a lynch mob for instance, he's going to prison. As well he should.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:25 am

Fahran wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:I also don't think I inciting racial "tension" is a crime.

It depends. Incitement is illegal already. If a person riles up a lynch mob for instance, he's going to prison. As well he should.

That's incitement to violence, not "tension"
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Postby Fahran » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:28 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:That's incitement to violence, not "tension"

True. The practical effect is the same in this instance though. I'm not proposing that we criminalize anything beyond the current scope of the law. My approach would be to implement meaningful education reform, provide incentives for businesses to return to urban centers, and restore infrastructure and institutions that used to exist in good order. Our own inaction has allowed destitution and decay to seep into our communities.
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Postby Canadensia » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:28 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Fahran wrote:It depends. Incitement is illegal already. If a person riles up a lynch mob for instance, he's going to prison. As well he should.

That's incitement to violence, not "tension"


I dunno, the leadership of the KKK as well as several other hate groups probably belong in jail.

One doesn't need to directly advocate violence in order to be a major contributor to it.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:31 am

Canadensia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:That's incitement to violence, not "tension"


I dunno, the leadership of the KKK as well as several other hate groups probably belong in jail.

One doesn't need to directly advocate violence in order to be a major contributor to it.

You have to charge someone with a crime. Incitement to "tension" gives ridiculous latitude to prosecutors
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Postby Canadensia » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:51 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Canadensia wrote:
I dunno, the leadership of the KKK as well as several other hate groups probably belong in jail.

One doesn't need to directly advocate violence in order to be a major contributor to it.

You have to charge someone with a crime. Incitement to "tension" gives ridiculous latitude to prosecutors


Which, frankly, is why Common Law isn't a particularly good legal system. It gives far too much authority to legal precedence, and far too little to a judge's own discretion.

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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:52 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
More funding for anti-bias training for police, elimination of overly lenient treatment for white criminals, pushing the police to arrest more white people who commit drug crimes, more social services for poor mothers and children, more focus on reducing the abortion rate, zero-tolerance attitude towards hate crimes and incitement of racial tension, and opposition to confederate monuments on government property.


The last thing we should be doing is arresting more people for drug crimes.


Expelling them to Canada would be the best option

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:00 am

Canadensia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:You have to charge someone with a crime. Incitement to "tension" gives ridiculous latitude to prosecutors


Which, frankly, is why Common Law isn't a particularly good legal system. It gives far too much authority to legal precedence, and far too little to a judge's own discretion.

Lol why do I give a fuck about a judge's personal value judgements? They're judges, not priests
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:39 am

Taihei Tengoku wrote:
Hakons wrote:
You're still posting nonsense. Go to the CDT if you want to complain about the supposedly terrible state of Christianity.

CDT is merely the club which RWDT grasps--why strike the hand rather than the body?

There's not that much overlap between the RWDT and the CDT.
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Postby Herskerstad » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:33 am

Taihei Tengoku wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Policy-wise, Trump is very good for Christianity, his judge picks might permit school prayer to return for example.

Twenty talents of supreme court picks

Christianity as it turns out is about winning knife fights on Earth


You don't think it is a tiny bit inconsistent of you of striking ontological judgements over secondary issues involving culture and migration, while at the same time being a raging eastaboo considering their take on similar matters?
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:36 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:Twenty talents of supreme court picks

Christianity as it turns out is about winning knife fights on Earth

Christianity became political the day it ceased to be outlawed.

You mean when it was adopted as the state-religion.

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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:37 am

Genivaria wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Christianity became political the day it ceased to be outlawed.

You mean when it was adopted as the state-religion.


Can any religion be apolitical? I don't ask this as a rhetorical question, rather a philosophical one.

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Postby Aellex » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:38 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:Lol why do I give a fuck about a judge's personal value judgements? They're judges, not priests

Because it's the whole point of their job. They're supposed to interpret laws.
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Postby Herskerstad » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:39 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Canadensia wrote:
Which, frankly, is why Common Law isn't a particularly good legal system. It gives far too much authority to legal precedence, and far too little to a judge's own discretion.

Lol why do I give a fuck about a judge's personal value judgements? They're judges, not priests


Presedence exists to create a level of applicability among unequal figures, though predicant is there to ensure a general direction. Sufficed to say, a judges personal bias can over-rule the former and often get away with it even when appealed, though the latter becomes far harder.

Unless you're a US supreme where you can just change definitions around or add ancient judgements in the context of perpetual binding laws.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:40 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Trump is to Christians as Lenin is to Tsarist Russia.

He is ordering them to be put to death?

Toxic, poisonous, cancerous.
American Evangelicals are pretty much Trump's only solid base nowadays and they are making Christians look really bad by comparison.
I mean if you WANT to be associated with an administration that tears families apart then don't be surprised when people who actually care about families get sick of it.

As an atheist I suppose I like the long-term effect but I would much rather it not come at the expense of human welfare to this disgusting extent.
It makes it not worth it.

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Postby Herskerstad » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:40 am

Aellex wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Lol why do I give a fuck about a judge's personal value judgements? They're judges, not priests

Because it's the whole point of their job. They're supposed to interpret laws.


True, but they are also a part of the government in the US or the balance of powers, the problem is they have very much grown out of their checks on that front, and the independence of the judiciary is turning more and more into a bad shield of an argument as some of them don't even try to cloak their bias.
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