Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[Proctopeo]

Muslims aren't suppoed to be divided, we're supposed to be unified.
And if a united Khilafah isn't possible, then at least something like a mix of the OIC and the EU.

So get your own caliphate. Leave Europe, leave the US, etc., and go back to the Middle East where you can live as a good and honest Muslim under your caliphate. What do you want from us?

I hear that there's a group in the middle east that wants a worldwide caliphate

[Kubumba Tribe]

Muslims aren't suppoed to be divided, we're supposed to be unified.
And if a united Khilafah isn't possible, then at least something like a mix of the OIC and the EU.

If the final goal of Islam is to unify itself, why are Muslims going to countries which are explicitly not-Muslim?

That's a pretty self explanatory answer.
And I don't understand your question. People can still be unified even if they are far away from each other.

Muslims aren't suppoed to be divided, we're supposed to be unified.
And if a united Khilafah isn't possible, then at least something like a mix of the OIC and the EU.

So get your own caliphate. Leave Europe, leave the US, etc., and go back to the Middle East where you can live as a good and honest Muslim under your caliphate. What do you want from us?

Most Muslims live outside the Middle East in Muslim-majority areas.
And duh, the Khalifah is supposed to be the Muslim world, not the non-Muslim world

[Trumptonium]

If the final goal of Islam is to unify itself, why are Muslims going to countries which are explicitly not-Muslim?

That's a pretty self explanatory answer.

No it isn't.

And I don't understand your question. People can still be unified even if they are far away from each other.

How, exactly?

[Kubumba Tribe]

That's a pretty self explanatory answer.

No it isn't.

Bruv yes it is. Why do you think people are leaving Syria, Iraq and Libya? And other countries ravaged by war?
HInt: the last 3 words give away the answer

[Thervingia]

No it isn't.

Bruv yes it is. Why do you think people are leaving Syria, Iraq and Libya? And other countries ravaged by war?
HInt: the last 3 words give away the answer

So you lost your country to Muslim extremists. You emigrate in mass to other countries. Now you want those countries to be the very same Muslim strongholds?

[Holy Tedalonia]

No it isn't.

Bruv yes it is. Why do you think people are leaving Syria, Iraq and Libya? And other countries ravaged by war?
HInt: the last 3 words give away the answer

If islams goal is to unify why are they running, aren't they supposed to be fighting? Why aren't you fighting? You do believe in unifying do you not?

[Trumptonium]

No it isn't.

Bruv yes it is. Why do you think people are leaving Syria, Iraq and Libya? And other countries ravaged by war?
HInt: the last 3 words give away the answer

Yes, because the MAJORITY of Muslims in the US and Europe are from Syria, Iraq and Libya

[Kubumba Tribe]

Bruv yes it is. Why do you think people are leaving Syria, Iraq and Libya? And other countries ravaged by war?
HInt: the last 3 words give away the answer

So you lost your country to Muslim extremists. You emigrate in mass to other countries. Now you want those countries to be the very same Muslim strongholds?

>Your country
I was born in the US bro

Bruv yes it is. Why do you think people are leaving Syria, Iraq and Libya? And other countries ravaged by war?
HInt: the last 3 words give away the answer

If islams goal is to unify why are they running, aren't they supposed to be fighting? Why aren't you fighting? You do believe in unifying do you not?

Because they're civilians trying to find a better life.

Bruv yes it is. Why do you think people are leaving Syria, Iraq and Libya? And other countries ravaged by war?
HInt: the last 3 words give away the answer

Yes, because the MAJORITY of Muslims in the US and Europe are from Syria, Iraq and Libya

What?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Bruv yes it is. Why do you think people are leaving Syria, Iraq and Libya? And other countries ravaged by war?
HInt: the last 3 words give away the answer

Yes, because the MAJORITY of Muslims in the US and Europe are from Syria, Iraq and Libya

Maybe they just don't believe the same thing KT does.

[Washington Resistance Army]

>Your country
I was born in the US bro

Yet you hold no love for it and support things that are the polar opposite of what our society was founded on.

[Thervingia]

So you lost your country to Muslim extremists. You emigrate in mass to other countries. Now you want those countries to be the very same Muslim strongholds?

>Your country
I was born in the US bro

[/quote]
Good for you. Then you understand the principles of freedom that your country is based on, and why making a Muslim enclave in the US is a no-no.

[The Rich Port]

Good for you. Then you understand the principles of freedom that your country is based on, and why making a Muslim enclave in the US is a no-no.

Actually, Muslims would be well within their rights to start their own town if they gather enough people. You do realize this is a country with freedom of religion, right? As long as their government is secular, there would be no issue.

Nazis have tried the same thing, except by strong-arming other small towns' populations into leaving through threats and loopholes.

I guess no Muslims have felt the inclination to do so. There was a similar town except run by New Age Hindus called Rajneeshpuram.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Good for you. Then you understand the principles of freedom that your country is based on, and why making a Muslim enclave in the US is a no-no.

Actually, Muslims would be well within their rights to start their own town if they gather enough people. You do realize this is a country with freedom of religion, right? As long as their government is secular, there would be no issue.

Nazis have tried the same thing, except by strong-arming other small towns' populations into leaving through threats and loopholes.

I guess no Muslims have felt the inclination to do so. There was a similar town except run by New Age Hindus called Rajneeshpuram.

Kubumba explicitly wants an Islamist government with shariah law and such things.

[Thervingia]

Good for you. Then you understand the principles of freedom that your country is based on, and why making a Muslim enclave in the US is a no-no.

Actually, Muslims would be well within their rights to start their own town if they gather enough people. You do realize this is a country with freedom of religion, right? As long as their government is secular, there would be no issue.

Nazis have tried the same thing, except by strong-arming other small towns' populations into leaving through threats and loopholes.

I guess no Muslims have felt the inclination to do so. There was a similar town except run by New Age Hindus called Rajneeshpuram.

I'm sure you know that I wasn't referring to small towns, but a whole government.

[Holy Tedalonia]

If islams goal is to unify why are they running, aren't they supposed to be fighting? Why aren't you fighting? You do believe in unifying do you not?

Because they're civilians trying to find a better life.

If they are fighting, they are fighting for a better life are they not, a new Muslim caliphate? So why aren't they fighting?

[The Rich Port]

Actually, Muslims would be well within their rights to start their own town if they gather enough people. You do realize this is a country with freedom of religion, right? As long as their government is secular, there would be no issue.

Nazis have tried the same thing, except by strong-arming other small towns' populations into leaving through threats and loopholes.

I guess no Muslims have felt the inclination to do so. There was a similar town except run by New Age Hindus called Rajneeshpuram.

I'm sure you know that I wasn't referring to small towns, but a whole government.

Like I mentioned, what Muslim that lives in America would willingly live under shariah law?

Nobody wants their family members who were falsely accused of stealing to come home lacking a fucking hand.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'm sure you know that I wasn't referring to small towns, but a whole government.

Like I mentioned, what Muslim that lives in America would willingly live under shariah law?

Nobody wants their family members who were falsely accused of stealing to come home lacking a fucking hand.

Kubumba would lol, he advocates it on a very regular basis. He's on board with whipping people and stuff.

[Goverwal]

I have a question for Kubumba Tribe. Assuming that your ideas do succeed, how would the following scenarios be dealt with, given that each person lives under a separate justice system with different laws:
A Muslim and an Atheist have a homosexual relationship
An Atheist rapes a Muslim of the same sex
An Atheist kills a Muslim (this just deals with administrative issues)
A Jehovah's witness converts to Islam?

I may come up with more questions of this nature later.

[Kubumba Tribe]

I'm sure you know that I wasn't referring to small towns, but a whole government.

Like I mentioned, what Muslim that lives in America would willingly live under shariah law?

Nobody wants their family members who were falsely accused of stealing to come home lacking a fucking hand.

Courts aren't perfect. Neither are secular courts, but I don't see anyone wanting to take them down. Instead, people want to reform secular courts, and that's the same for Islamic courts. Corrupt Islamic courts should be reformed or shut down.

>Your country
I was born in the US bro

Yet you hold no love for it

I don't love the gov, yes

and support things that are the polar opposite of what our society was founded on.

I know

>Your country
I was born in the US bro

Good for you. Then you understand the principles of freedom that your country is based on, and why making a Muslim enclave in the US is a no-no.[/quote]
Who's advocating for enclaves?

Good for you. Then you understand the principles of freedom that your country is based on, and why making a Muslim enclave in the US is a no-no.

Actually, Muslims would be well within their rights to start their own town if they gather enough people. You do realize this is a country with freedom of religion, right? As long as their government is secular, there would be no issue.

Nazis have tried the same thing, except by strong-arming other small towns' populations into leaving through threats and loopholes.

I guess no Muslims have felt the inclination to do so.

Muslims should NEVER have the inclination to do what the Nazis did

Actually, Muslims would be well within their rights to start their own town if they gather enough people. You do realize this is a country with freedom of religion, right? As long as their government is secular, there would be no issue.

Nazis have tried the same thing, except by strong-arming other small towns' populations into leaving through threats and loopholes.

I guess no Muslims have felt the inclination to do so. There was a similar town except run by New Age Hindus called Rajneeshpuram.

Kubumba explicitly wants an Islamist government with shariah law and such things.

Yep

Like I mentioned, what Muslim that lives in America would willingly live under shariah law?

Nobody wants their family members who were falsely accused of stealing to come home lacking a fucking hand.

Kubumba would lol

I don't support corrupt Islamic governments

[Kubumba Tribe]

I have a question for Kubumba Tribe. Assuming that your ideas do succeed, how would the following scenarios be dealt with, given that each person lives under a separate justice system with different laws:
A Muslim and an Atheist have a homosexual relationship
An Atheist rapes a Muslim of the same sex
An Atheist kills a Muslim (this just deals with administrative issues)
A Jehovah's witness converts to Islam?

I may come up with more questions of this nature later.

I'll answer these:
1: Muslim gets punished, nothing happens to the atheist
2: If atheist is found guilty, he/she is punished, nothing happens to the Muslim
3: See #2
4: AlHamdulillah. He/she is now a Muslim and must follow Al-Islam the best he/she can

[The Rich Port]

Like I mentioned, what Muslim that lives in America would willingly live under shariah law?

Nobody wants their family members who were falsely accused of stealing to come home lacking a fucking hand.

Courts aren't perfect. Neither are secular courts, but I don't see anyone wanting to take them down. Instead, people want to reform secular courts, and that's the same for Islamic courts. Corrupt Islamic courts should be reformed or shut down

Yeah, because for the most part, secular courts DON'T NEED REFORM. That's why nobody wants to take them down.

It is also why you're the only Muslim I've met who wants to live under shariah law.

[Trumptonium]

I'm sure you know that I wasn't referring to small towns, but a whole government.

Like I mentioned, what Muslim that lives in America would willingly live under shariah law?

this is such a kumbaya PC wool-over-eyes post I don't even know where to start

[Kubumba Tribe]

Courts aren't perfect. Neither are secular courts, but I don't see anyone wanting to take them down. Instead, people want to reform secular courts, and that's the same for Islamic courts. Corrupt Islamic courts should be reformed or shut down

Yeah, because for the most part, secular courts DON'T NEED REFORM. That's why nobody wants to take them down.

Corruption doesn't exist in secular courts? Things always go as planned?

It is also why you're the only Muslim I've met who wants to live under shariah law.

According to Pew, many Muslims support Shari'ah: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... ut-sharia/

[Goverwal]

A Jehovah's witness converts to Islam?

4: AlHamdulillah. He/she is now a Muslim and must follow Al-Islam the best he/she can

Would they still be allowed to be punished for leaving the Jehovah's witness community (common practise in many areas) since they are now under Islamic Law. Also, can a person be punished for a crime they committed before conversion that was legal in their former religion. Can a person be punished for breaking a law in their old religion before converting, and who decides which court adjudicates over which person (in the event of a recent conversion or unclear religion)?

How does one go about dealing with already complex enough financial crimes, involving people of several faiths?
The purpose of law is to protect the people. If I am part of a religion which bans a certain crime, and a person of another religion (where this is legal) commits this against me, am I receiving adequate protection from the law?

[Proctopeo]

Why can't we just have secular law apply to everyone? Saves paperwork and makes legal battles less likely to be confusing train wrecks not even the judge understands.