Google Manifesto Lawsuit Published

[Liriena]

I don't know, Hirota. Shoddy "science" explicitly cobbled together to argue against policy that would encourage greater participation of women and minorities in an industry sounds like it'd exist somewhere in the vicinity of far right.

Then again, Silicon Valley seems to often exist in this weird ideological limbo that sometimes feels like it's led by neo-feudalists while other times it's almost obnoxiously liberal.

Three points.

1) Shoddy science isn't a reason to sack someone. Heck, if shoddy science is a reason to sack someone then most of the psychologists in the world should be unemployed.

Didn't argue shoddy science was a good reason to fire someone, in and of itself. Unless you were unironically peddling some "race realist" bullshit or spewing incel "theories" or going full Peterson on your LGBT+ coworkers, I don't see cause for something as major as a sacking.

2) You're pointing the finger and blaming a software engineer for using "shoddy science." That isn't his field of expertise. It would be like sacking a janitor for publishing a faulty theory on ...I dunno... "the best method to impregnate a horse." The two have nothing to do with one another. Whether his theories are right or wrong is really beside the point. The real question is: must such views be silenced, and must someone lose their livelihood for uttering them? It used to be considered deeply problematic to punish workers for the political views they held - Hollywood in the 50's was shameful, yet now perversely we have idiotic tribalists - in the press, in google and elsewhere - applauding and cheering it.

Oh, he should definitely not be silenced. If he crosses a line, by all means ostracize him, but don't silence him.

3) As you admit later on, the claim that he is arguing against policy that would encourage greater participation of women and minorities is untrue. He's arguing for better policy. It should be something google welcomes given it's been accused of sexist hiring practices.

So yeah, can someone point me to where Damore said anything far right? Because up to now nobody has provided anything convincing to anyone other than fanatics, based on what he wrote.

I don't think he's far right himself, or at least I haven't seen much to convince me that he is an ideologue. On the other hand, he definitely is socially awkward in the worst ways sometimes, and makes some really unfortunate choices when it comes to who he goes to for sympathy. *cough* stefanfuckingmolyneux *cough*

[Liriena]

As I said later on, I'm not convinced that Google did the right thing in firing him (unless there were other factors involved that I'm unaware of). So my answer would be "No, and same goes for Damore, even if I think he's a bit of a chud."

Wrongful termination then?

Unless he broke some rule when he circulated the memo or the memo was just the small spark in a powderkeg of bad behavior... yeah, probably.

I notice you still keep talking him down. Is that because you actually made an evaluation of his character, or because you don't want to consider whether a decent person had their life made much worse by the feminist movement, so you're trying to foster a "Well, I don't like it, but I don't care about him so." emotional response?

It's because I made an evaluation of his character. He's not the worst person ever, nor do I think he's particularly malicious, but then again neither are Pewdiepie or Jontron (I think) and I still dropped both like a hot brick.

[Ostroeuropa]

Wrongful termination then?

Unless he broke some rule when he circulated the memo or the memo was just the small spark in a powderkeg of bad behavior... yeah, probably.

I notice you still keep talking him down. Is that because you actually made an evaluation of his character, or because you don't want to consider whether a decent person had their life made much worse by the feminist movement, so you're trying to foster a "Well, I don't like it, but I don't care about him so." emotional response?

It's because I made an evaluation of his character. He's not the worst person ever, nor do I think he's particularly malicious, but then again neither are Pewdiepie or Jontron (I think) and I still dropped both like a hot brick.

I understand that.
It's about where i'd place you on the spectrum, but I don't feel like calling you names, or acting dismissive if you had legitimate grievance with someone.

I also note you don't use that kind of language when discussing feminists or progressives, even ones you agree advance sexist or racist arguments.
I'm only bringing this up to point out that the tribalism of this movement extends even this far, and even into someone i'd consider passable.

Think about what feminists who were really neck deep in the nonsense would have treated him like, to his face, if even you feel the need to talk about him this way, and in an inconsistent way that singles him out for his political camp in a way you don't do for others.

I'll also point out that your evaluation of his character was initially based on lies and misinformation, lies told by feminists, which itself is an example of the hostility he's faced.

Provided he's kept good logs, and provided the Jury can see sense, i'd wager this case will do well.

[Liriena]

Unless he broke some rule when he circulated the memo or the memo was just the small spark in a powderkeg of bad behavior... yeah, probably.


It's because I made an evaluation of his character. He's not the worst person ever, nor do I think he's particularly malicious, but then again neither are Pewdiepie or Jontron (I think) and I still dropped both like a hot brick.

I understand that.
It's about where i'd place you on the spectrum, but I don't feel like calling you names, or acting dismissive if you had legitimate grievance with someone.

I also note you don't use that kind of language when discussing feminists or progressives, even ones you agree advance sexist or racist arguments.

If you asked me about Lena Dunham or Camille Paglia, I'd use the same kind of language.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Companies can have political opinions.

They can't oppress their employees.

Google messed up big time.

[Liriena]

Companies can have political opinions.

They can't oppress their employees.

Google messed up big time.

Tell the underlined to Walmart.

[Ostroeuropa]

I understand that.
It's about where i'd place you on the spectrum, but I don't feel like calling you names, or acting dismissive if you had legitimate grievance with someone.

I also note you don't use that kind of language when discussing feminists or progressives, even ones you agree advance sexist or racist arguments.

If you asked me about Lena Dunham or Camille Paglia, I'd use the same kind of language.

Different level of awful in my opinion. I think we're talking literally any run of the mill feminist journalist to come out at about where this guy is.

Companies can have political opinions.

They can't oppress their employees.

Google messed up big time.

Tell the underlined to Walmart.

All I can hear is the soviet anthem blaring in my ears.

[Liriena]

This article on the lawsuit is a goddamn rollercoaster.

The company is facing a Department of Labor investigation and a private lawsuit claiming that it discriminates against women in pay, and promotion.

Delicious irony.

At her press conference, Dhillon said Google shareholders will be “pretty shocked to find” that employees are spending their time “talking about furry sex clubs and toxic whiteness,” rather than doing their jobs.

Umm... fuck you, lawyer. Don't slut-shame the furries.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Companies can have political opinions.

They can't oppress their employees.

Google messed up big time.

Tell the underlined to Walmart.

Black Friday is more abuse than anything Wallmart throws at them.

[Ostroeuropa]

This article on the lawsuit is a goddamn rollercoaster.

The company is facing a Department of Labor investigation and a private lawsuit claiming that it discriminates against women in pay, and promotion.

Delicious irony.

At her press conference, Dhillon said Google shareholders will be “pretty shocked to find” that employees are spending their time “talking about furry sex clubs and toxic whiteness,” rather than doing their jobs.

Umm... fuck you, lawyer. Don't slut-shame the furries.

1. Given the misinformation campaign about the wage gap, it's neither ironic nor surprising.

2. I agree, though if that's a subject they spend an inordinate amount of time discussing, he's not wrong in highlighting it. I doubt it, imo it's likely a dig at furries.

[Liriena]

If you asked me about Lena Dunham or Camille Paglia, I'd use the same kind of language.

Different level of awful in my opinion. I think we're talking literally any run of the mill feminist journalist to come out at about where this guy is.

Tell the underlined to Walmart.

All I can hear is the soviet anthem blaring in my ears.

Here's one... with meme included.

[Liriena]

This article on the lawsuit is a goddamn rollercoaster.

The company is facing a Department of Labor investigation and a private lawsuit claiming that it discriminates against women in pay, and promotion.

Delicious irony.

At her press conference, Dhillon said Google shareholders will be “pretty shocked to find” that employees are spending their time “talking about furry sex clubs and toxic whiteness,” rather than doing their jobs.

Umm... fuck you, lawyer. Don't slut-shame the furries.

1. Given the misinformation campaign about the wage gap, it's neither ironic nor surprising.

2. I agree, though if that's a subject they spend an inordinate amount of time discussing, he's not wrong in highlighting it. I doubt it, imo it's likely a dig at furries.

1. You automatically assume that Google did nothing wrong in this case because "muh wage gap myth"?
2. Why do people keep on making digs at furries? Furries are nice, yo...


...well, except this douchebag.

[Ostroeuropa]

Different level of awful in my opinion. I think we're talking literally any run of the mill feminist journalist to come out at about where this guy is.


All I can hear is the soviet anthem blaring in my ears.

Here's one... with meme included.

Muh alleged far-right temptations tho. Hmmm.

https://youtu.be/9_e5XLlMgmo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNyIApjsbeY

*plinkettvoice*
Perfect!

1. Given the misinformation campaign about the wage gap, it's neither ironic nor surprising.

2. I agree, though if that's a subject they spend an inordinate amount of time discussing, he's not wrong in highlighting it. I doubt it, imo it's likely a dig at furries.

1. You automatically assume that Google did nothing wrong in this case because "muh wage gap myth"?
2. Why do people keep on making digs at furries? Furries are nice, yo...


...well, except this douchebag.

1. No, merely don't find it surprising that there is a lawsuit. It's like if there was mass hysteria over your black neighbor burgling you and then we found that, shockingly, loads of people accused their black neighbor of burgling them when things went missing. Is it possible? Yeah. Does it need to be investigated? Sure. Is it ironic when one of those black people alleges a racist attack by a neighbor? Nah. I'd bet a lot of these lawsuits fall apart when the company points out the woman is getting flextime/benefits etc, and are then counted by many feminists as evidence the courts are insufficient so we need to get rid of due process, rather than admit that they generated these failures through lying. Par for the course.

2. Furries are chill and one of my first crushes was a furry. As a consequence I hung around them a lot and never really noticed it was seen as weird until other people pointed it out. Furries didn't care I wasn't a furry, they let me hang out anyway. *shrug*

[Liriena]

Here's one... with meme included.

Muh alleged far-right temptations tho. Hmmm.

https://youtu.be/9_e5XLlMgmo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNyIApjsbeY

*plinkettvoice*
Perfect!

*plinkettvoice* The German Democratic Republic was the most disappointing thing since my son's court appointed lawyer Larry Gruber. A competent enough republic- I mean lawyer, but not good enough to get my son out of a sixty year prison sentence for driving his car through a Taco Bell. I mean, who HASN’T driven through a Taco Bell? Most people get off with a slap on the wrist for that. All he wanted was a Steak Volcano Quesa Machoritto, and he was on meth. Also… he may or may not have killed someone.

1. You automatically assume that Google did nothing wrong in this case because "muh wage gap myth"?
2. Why do people keep on making digs at furries? Furries are nice, yo...


...well, except this douchebag.

1. No, merely don't find it surprising that there is a lawsuit. It's like if there was mass hysteria over your black neighbor burgling you and then we found that, shockingly, loads of people accused their black neighbor of burgling them when things went missing. Is it possible? Yeah. Does it need to be investigated? Sure. Is it ironic when one of those black people alleges a racist attack by a neighbor? Nah. I'd bet a lot of these lawsuits fall apart when the company points out the woman is getting flextime/benefits etc, and are then counted by many feminists as evidence the courts are insufficient so we need to get rid of due process, rather than admit that they generated these failures through lying. Par for the course.

In conclusion... women be lyin' until proven otherwise?

Geesh, dude.

2. Furries are chill and one of my first crushes was a furry. As a consequence I hung around them a lot and never really noticed it was seen as weird until other people pointed it out. Furries didn't care I wasn't a furry, they let me hang out anyway. *shrug*

Furries are chill... give or take the genuinely weird ones.

I ain't part of the fandom... but... I'd wear a fursuit if I could.

[Shofercia]

So, yesterday the full court document of the Damore vs Google case was uploaded to Scribd.

Within, various strange, and some suspect, things lie. Highlights include Google failing to protect employees from harassment because they supported Donald Trump (begins at page 25), special mailing lists for every lifestyle under the sun except for traditional heterosexual monogamy (begins at the very end of page 25), Google's HR taking offense to "alt-right" views but apparently not views aligning with Antifa (begins at page 27 line 20), and much more.

So, NSG, what's your thoughts on this? I don't really have any other opening question.

My personal thoughts are that, for a company whose semi-official motto is "Don't be evil", they're doing a lot of stuff that's at least morally questionable towards their own employees based on political views, race, gender, and sexuality, and that this definitely should change.

The problem is that there's no competing product. If CEOs want to play politics, we need competing products. When ESPN decided to pollute the waves with SJW whining, some of the sports fans switched to Fox Sports. There needs to be something like Fox Sports for Google.

[Liriena]

So, yesterday the full court document of the Damore vs Google case was uploaded to Scribd.

Within, various strange, and some suspect, things lie. Highlights include Google failing to protect employees from harassment because they supported Donald Trump (begins at page 25), special mailing lists for every lifestyle under the sun except for traditional heterosexual monogamy (begins at the very end of page 25), Google's HR taking offense to "alt-right" views but apparently not views aligning with Antifa (begins at page 27 line 20), and much more.

So, NSG, what's your thoughts on this? I don't really have any other opening question.

My personal thoughts are that, for a company whose semi-official motto is "Don't be evil", they're doing a lot of stuff that's at least morally questionable towards their own employees based on political views, race, gender, and sexuality, and that this definitely should change.

The problem is that there's no competing product. If CEOs want to play politics, we need competing products. When ESPN decided to pollute the waves with SJW whining, some of the sports fans switched to Fox Sports. There needs to be something like Fox Sports for Google.

When was that?

Also, there already is a Fox Sports for Google, but y'all won't use it.

[Ors Might]

The problem is that there's no competing product. If CEOs want to play politics, we need competing products. When ESPN decided to pollute the waves with SJW whining, some of the sports fans switched to Fox Sports. There needs to be something like Fox Sports for Google.

When was that?

Also, there already is a Fox Sports for Google, but y'all won't use it.

It’s a matter of personal dignity that I never use bing for anything.

On a serious note, Google is more than a search engine now. It’s impossible to use a lot of common services without using google in some way. Some schools even use chrome books and google classroom to improve the quality of the education. It’s a bit late to switch to something else.

[Liriena]

When was that?

Also, there already is a Fox Sports for Google, but y'all won't use it.

It’s a matter of personal dignity that I never use bing for anything.

On a serious note, Google is more than a search engine now. It’s impossible to use a lot of common services without using google in some way. Some schools even use chrome books and google classroom to improve the quality of the education. It’s a bit late to switch to something else.

N A T I O N A L I Z E
G O O G L E

[Ostroeuropa]

Muh alleged far-right temptations tho. Hmmm.

https://youtu.be/9_e5XLlMgmo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNyIApjsbeY

*plinkettvoice*
Perfect!

*plinkettvoice* The German Democratic Republic was the most disappointing thing since my son's court appointed lawyer Larry Gruber. A competent enough republic- I mean lawyer, but not good enough to get my son out of a sixty year prison sentence for driving his car through a Taco Bell. I mean, who HASN’T driven through a Taco Bell? Most people get off with a slap on the wrist for that. All he wanted was a Steak Volcano Quesa Machoritto, and he was on meth. Also… he may or may not have killed someone.

1. No, merely don't find it surprising that there is a lawsuit. It's like if there was mass hysteria over your black neighbor burgling you and then we found that, shockingly, loads of people accused their black neighbor of burgling them when things went missing. Is it possible? Yeah. Does it need to be investigated? Sure. Is it ironic when one of those black people alleges a racist attack by a neighbor? Nah. I'd bet a lot of these lawsuits fall apart when the company points out the woman is getting flextime/benefits etc, and are then counted by many feminists as evidence the courts are insufficient so we need to get rid of due process, rather than admit that they generated these failures through lying. Par for the course.

In conclusion... women be lyin' until proven otherwise?

Geesh, dude.

2. Furries are chill and one of my first crushes was a furry. As a consequence I hung around them a lot and never really noticed it was seen as weird until other people pointed it out. Furries didn't care I wasn't a furry, they let me hang out anyway. *shrug*

Furries are chill... give or take the genuinely weird ones.

I ain't part of the fandom... but... I'd wear a fursuit if I could.

1. Yeah but it's german and left anti-capitalist, so it's perfect for uniting the alt-reich and the syndicalists.

2. No, just that if you tell everyone a problem works a certain way and is evidence of discrimination, when it isn't, and then women go out and think they're being discriminated against because you lied to them, they'll sue. The liars here aren't the women suing for being paid less, it's the feminists who told them that was sexism without taking note of the in-work benefits. The women are operating on incomplete information. Some will be legit cases of discrimination.

3. I wouldn't wear a fursuit. Unless my partner wanted me to, then I would.

[Ors Might]

It’s a matter of personal dignity that I never use bing for anything.

On a serious note, Google is more than a search engine now. It’s impossible to use a lot of common services without using google in some way. Some schools even use chrome books and google classroom to improve the quality of the education. It’s a bit late to switch to something else.

N A T I O N A L I Z E
G O O G L E

Now I may be betraying all of my good, anti commie, red blooded American ancestors in saying this but
I’m intrigued

[Liriena]

*plinkettvoice* The German Democratic Republic was the most disappointing thing since my son's court appointed lawyer Larry Gruber. A competent enough republic- I mean lawyer, but not good enough to get my son out of a sixty year prison sentence for driving his car through a Taco Bell. I mean, who HASN’T driven through a Taco Bell? Most people get off with a slap on the wrist for that. All he wanted was a Steak Volcano Quesa Machoritto, and he was on meth. Also… he may or may not have killed someone.


In conclusion... women be lyin' until proven otherwise?

Geesh, dude.


Furries are chill... give or take the genuinely weird ones.

I ain't part of the fandom... but... I'd wear a fursuit if I could.

1. Yeah but it's german and left anti-capitalist, so it's perfect for uniting the alt-reich and the syndicalists.

2. No, just that if you tell everyone a problem works a certain way and is evidence of discrimination, when it isn't, and then women go out and think they're being discriminated against because you lied to them, they'll sue. The liars here aren't the women suing for being paid less, it's the feminists who told them that was sexism without taking note of the in-work benefits. The women are operating on incomplete information. Some will be legit cases of discrimination.

3. I wouldn't wear a fursuit.

1. But any Germany that's post-1945 Germany is cucked by definition, Ostro. :/

2. Oh... okay...?

3. I mean, there's some really good ones out there.

[Proctopeo]

Wrongful termination then?

Unless he broke some rule when he circulated the memo or the memo was just the small spark in a powderkeg of bad behavior... yeah, probably.

I notice you still keep talking him down. Is that because you actually made an evaluation of his character, or because you don't want to consider whether a decent person had their life made much worse by the feminist movement, so you're trying to foster a "Well, I don't like it, but I don't care about him so." emotional response?

It's because I made an evaluation of his character. He's not the worst person ever, nor do I think he's particularly malicious, but then again neither are Pewdiepie or Jontron (I think) and I still dropped both like a hot brick.

This probably shows how different our outlooks are. I'm still a fan of JonTron, like this guy, and have fewer issues with PewDiePie than I had in the past. Helps with the former that Destiny is, frankly, a dick. And that Jafari's content is funny.

[Vassenor]

How do you nationalise a multinational corporation?

[Proctopeo]

How do you nationalise a multinational corporation?

Annex the other countries it is based in, of course.

[Esternial]

Big deal being made of what I'm guessing quite a few companies do already.

Except Google is going off the beaten path by discriminating against a different group of people than usual. Always pushing for innovation.

Definitely not acceptable, of course, as are all instances of discrimination.