Iran Protests

[Nakena]

Your lack of arguments relevant to the topic is rather disappointing.

Do you know what else is disappointing? Supporters of monarchy.

And a logical fallacy named "appeal to tradition".

Actually it was the Mullahs who pressured his father, Reza Shah, to keep a monarchic system. He had originally intended to turn Iran into a Republic.

That is plain wrong. If he would have been brutal as you said, he would have had Chomeini and the other leading clerics executed.

Which is likely what his father would have done.

The Shah was a weak ruler.

It's as right as it can get. The Shah was a brutal ruler who deserved a public hanging more than anyone else. The fact that some of his predecessors were even worse doesn't excuse him from anything at all. Or do you actually believe the people rose up against him because he was such a kind and loving man?

His predecessor Reza Shah was a strong ruler, unlike him, who was weak. Sometime brutality can be the result of weakness. An overraction to compensate for it.

The People rose up against him, precisely because he was a weak ruler who took bad decisions upon more bad decisions.

[Durin VII]

Monarchy was/is the traditional form of governance in many nations of the world, it doesn't mean that it's good or that it should return. The Shah was a brutal piece of shit and in most ways worse than the current government.

What did the Shah actually do "brutal" and "bad"? And obviously you forgot that the House of Durin are actually monarchs.

Ever heard of the SAVAK? Also there are things like forcing a culture upon the people, selling his country to foreign powers, enriching himself drastically at the expense of the people, banning any democratic form of rule etc.

And so? The House of Durin comes from a fantasy world, not exactly comparable with the real world in any way, shape or form.

It's as right as it can get. The Shah was a brutal ruler who deserved a public hanging more than anyone else. The fact that some of his predecessors were even worse doesn't excuse him from anything at all. Or do you actually believe the people rose up against him because he was such a kind and loving man?

His predecessor Reza Shah was a strong ruler, unlike him, who was weak. Sometime brutality can be the result of weakness. An overraction to compensate for it.

The People rose up against him, precisely because he was a weak ruler who took bad decisions upon more bad decisions.

No, they did not. They rose up against him because he was a brutal dictator who didn't care about the country or its people.
Whether he was weak or not did not matter for those people back hten, it only helped them getting rid of the bastard.

bringing the Shah back as a Secular Constitutional Monarchy could be a great balance, it would satisfy a lot of people I believe.

Never going to happen and it would statisfy barely anyone.

[Arumbia67]

If there is any bloodshed, will the UN get involved? Or will they just wag their finger like they did during Rwanda?

[Dooom35796821595]

If there is any bloodshed, will the UN get involved? Or will they just wag their finger like they did during Rwanda?

The UN aren't the world police, they're a forum of nations intended to prevent conflict between nation, not meddle in internal politics.

[Vulturret]

If there is any bloodshed, will the UN get involved? Or will they just wag their finger like they did during Rwanda?

The UN aren't the world police, they're a forum of nations intended to prevent conflict between nation, not meddle in internal politics.

This is true. This isn't something they as a body would help with.

[The Ninja5 Empire]

I just hope they don't fail like in 2009.

[Neanderthaland]

If there is any bloodshed, will the UN get involved? Or will they just wag their finger like they did during Rwanda?

This is a protest that is somewhat different from normal Iranian protests, in that it's more lower/middle class people in rural areas who are doing it (as opposed to affluent students in Tehran), and their main focus is on corruption and the economy rather than civil liberties. They also don't seem to be concerned about non-violence, which the students usually are.

What happened in Rwanda was a psychotic orgy of ethnic violence.

So they're not really comparable. I don't want to minimize what's happening in Iran, but it's weird to shame the UN in comparison. It would be like looking at the aftermath of a soccer riot and saying "first the Holocaust, and now this... when will humanity learn."

[The Ninja5 Empire]

If there is any bloodshed, will the UN get involved? Or will they just wag their finger like they did during Rwanda?

There is bloodshed but it's not exactly a war. Also, the Security Council needs to vote before they can intervene in Iran and I'm pretty sure Russia would just veto it. Repression of protesters is not something they intervene on.

[Empire of Narnia]

The CIA did it.

[The Ninja5 Empire]

The CIA did it.

They did but they shouldn't have.

[Grossteutschland]

banning any democratic form of rule etc.

And so? The House of Durin comes from a fantasy world, not exactly comparable with the real world in any way, shape or form.

As you hate monarchies and non-democracies, why do you actually give yourself/your nation a monarchical name? The dwarves had nothing like democracy, elections or referendums.

[Nakena]

Ever heard of the SAVAK? Also there are things like forcing a culture upon the people, selling his country to foreign powers, enriching himself drastically at the expense of the people, banning any democratic form of rule etc.

And so? The House of Durin comes from a fantasy world, not exactly comparable with the real world in any way, shape or form.

Forcing a culture upon people? So in other words that what the Islamic Republic did from 1979 onwards, forcing woman to wear veils and oppressing iranian and aryan culture?

No, they did not. They rose up against him because he was a brutal dictator who didn't care about the country or its people.
Whether he was weak or not did not matter for those people back hten, it only helped them getting rid of the bastard.

As said before, he was a weak and incompetent ruler, and had likely an illness and some other issues towards the end in the second half of the 1970s. He failed to deal with the unrests in an aproperiate way, causing them to get worse, creating a cycle of violence. He also, never wanted to become Shah in the first place, but what coaxed into this role by circumstance and then later by his Sister and the CIA.

Radical liberals, leftists, communists did aid Chomeini in his attempt to take over, because they hated the Shah above all. Chomeini used them for his own advantage and when they had outlived their usefulness they were disposed off. This is surprisingly similar to the scheme that is currently repeating itself in the west, where leftists aiding islamic forces against their common enemy of "muh evil western civilization." The results of to what this led in Iran should be a warning.

[-Ocelot-]

The CIA did it.

How?

[Durin VII]

banning any democratic form of rule etc.

And so? The House of Durin comes from a fantasy world, not exactly comparable with the real world in any way, shape or form.

As you hate monarchies and non-democracies, why do you actually give yourself/your nation a monarchical name? The dwarves had nothing like democracy, elections or referendums.

Please show me where i stated that i hated monarchies and/or non-democracies. And as mentioned above, The House of Durin is from a fantasy world, meaning it is not realistic in any way, shape or form.

Ever heard of the SAVAK? Also there are things like forcing a culture upon the people, selling his country to foreign powers, enriching himself drastically at the expense of the people, banning any democratic form of rule etc.

And so? The House of Durin comes from a fantasy world, not exactly comparable with the real world in any way, shape or form.

Forcing a culture upon people? So in other words that what the Islamic Republic did from 1979 onwards, forcing woman to wear veils and oppressing iranian and aryan culture?

What exactly would you consider Iranian and Aryan culture? As far as my knowledge goes Iranina culture is not a victim of opression in Iran.

Other than that, yes, pretty much. The Islamic Republic is far from perfect, or even from 'good' in many aspects, but it's still better than that what had been there before it.

[Flazak-Wielko]

Thank god this didn't turn into something bigger, and the IRGC put down the Persian Thots. Looks like we're not the only ones with a Thot problem.

However, the Iranian government must address the poor standard of living in the country and the state of its economy, but not give in to these demands for "Social reform" which is a codeword for "Yes lets be like the brainwashed sluts and whores in the west today."

[Eibenland]

Thank god this didn't turn into something bigger, and the IRGC put down the Persian Thots. Looks like we're not the only ones with a Thot problem.

However, the Iranian government must address the poor standard of living in the country and the state of its economy, but not give in to these demands for "Social reform" which is a codeword for "Yes lets be like the brainwashed sluts and whores in the west today."

Thots? What are you talking about?

[Improved werpland]

Thank god this didn't turn into something bigger, and the IRGC put down the Persian Thots. Looks like we're not the only ones with a Thot problem.

However, the Iranian government must address the poor standard of living in the country and the state of its economy, but not give in to these demands for "Social reform" which is a codeword for "Yes lets be like the brainwashed sluts and whores in the west today."

How could anyone reject that spiritual superiority and le gud traditions right?

[Flazak-Wielko]

Thank god this didn't turn into something bigger, and the IRGC put down the Persian Thots. Looks like we're not the only ones with a Thot problem.

However, the Iranian government must address the poor standard of living in the country and the state of its economy, but not give in to these demands for "Social reform" which is a codeword for "Yes lets be like the brainwashed sluts and whores in the west today."

How could anyone reject that spiritual superiority and le gud traditions right?

I know your being sarcastic, but i'd rather have the traditions and spiritual superiority than the moral nihilism and destruction of the family and gender norms of what is happening in The West. In fact, i'd like to see regimes similar to Iran's across Europe, as it is better than what we have now.

Ya Ali, Ya Hussein.

[Eibenland]

How could anyone reject that spiritual superiority and le gud traditions right?

I know your being sarcastic, but i'd rather have the traditions and spiritual superiority than the moral nihilism and destruction of the family and gender norms of what is happening in The West. In fact, i'd like to see regimes similar to Iran's across Europe, as it is better than what we have now.

Ya Ali, Ya Hussein.

What makes Iranians "spiritually superior"? Many Iranians want changes to the regime as well.

[The East Marches II]

How could anyone reject that spiritual superiority and le gud traditions right?

I know your being sarcastic, but i'd rather have the traditions and spiritual superiority than the moral nihilism and destruction of the family and gender norms of what is happening in The West. In fact, i'd like to see regimes similar to Iran's across Europe, as it is better than what we have now.

Ya Ali, Ya Hussein.

Ya Saddam!

[Kubumba Tribe]

I know your being sarcastic, but i'd rather have the traditions and spiritual superiority than the moral nihilism and destruction of the family and gender norms of what is happening in The West. In fact, i'd like to see regimes similar to Iran's across Europe, as it is better than what we have now.

Ya Ali, Ya Hussein.

Ya Saddam!

No, stop.

[The East Marches II]

Ya Saddam!

No, stop.

I-I got excited and wanted to join in.

[Grossteutschland]

Please show me where i stated that i hated monarchies and/or non-democracies. And as mentioned above, The House of Durin is from a fantasy world, meaning it is not realistic in any way, shape or form.

It indeed is realistic. For literature or television, for example.

[Nakena]

What exactly would you consider Iranian and Aryan culture? As far as my knowledge goes Iranina culture is not a victim of opression in Iran.

It is to varying degrees and forms ever since 1300 years. But we both know that.

Other than that, yes, pretty much. The Islamic Republic is far from perfect, or even from 'good' in many aspects, but it's still better than that what had been there before it.

I disagree. See above.

How could anyone reject that spiritual superiority and le gud traditions right?

I know your being sarcastic, but i'd rather have the traditions and spiritual superiority than the moral nihilism and destruction of the family and gender norms of what is happening in The West. In fact, i'd like to see regimes similar to Iran's across Europe, as it is better than what we have now.

Ya Ali, Ya Hussein.

If you believe that the Islamic Republic is anywhere close to tradition and spiritual superiority, then you have either no idea about the former or a very flawed comcept about the later. The fact that you have nothing better to bring up than some weak bourgeois arguments is very telling.

I prefer the shortcommings of the west with the possibility of freedom over the rule in name of the false idols.

[Improved werpland]

How could anyone reject that spiritual superiority and le gud traditions right?

I know your being sarcastic, but i'd rather have the traditions and spiritual superiority than the moral nihilism and destruction of the family and gender norms of what is happening in The West. In fact, i'd like to see regimes similar to Iran's across Europe, as it is better than what we have now.

Ya Ali, Ya Hussein.

Spiritual superiority and tradition is codeword for "I want to arbitrarily step on people's rights in favor of some romanticized myth of the past." Moral nihilism is more similar to that than learning to practice restraint. But anyhow there's no need to worry since people in Iran clearly don't like it, and even the most moderate attempts of implementing "spiritual superiority" in the most conservative European countries have failed, thank god.