Chelsea Manning Released from prison

[Salandriagado]

Yeah, but so did the fucking President.

but you don't know that until Congress investigates it. you cant always believe the media. when they say classified info was leaked take it with a grain of salt. plus if you look at most recent post pulled from the new York times it will give you a better understanding

Erm, no. He literally admitted it.

[Jamzmania]

but you don't know that until Congress investigates it. you cant always believe the media. when they say classified info was leaked take it with a grain of salt. plus if you look at most recent post pulled from the new York times it will give you a better understanding

Erm, no. He literally admitted it.

The president is generally allowed to do something like that.

[Gig em Aggies]

Hit up WikiLeaks. There's also video on youtube, footage from the drone that shows people killing some alleged terrorists (they turned out to be civilians) and then doubling back and killing the first responders with the drone. In the leaks, there is evidence that the drone operators killed children and said they killed a "fun sized terrorist"

Related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_ ... ne_strikes

Basically, the long and short of it is the US has been killing a massive amount of bystanders in drone strikes, and the Manning leaks were all about the callous disregard for civilians by the operators involved. And, by the way, what was done does constitute war crimes.

If this was indeed what was leaked, then I'm glad it was leaked, but from my understanding Manning did not take proper precautions in censoring what he leaked, thus putting national security at risk.

well you can leak incidents such as that of the 2007 helicopter attack w/o stealing almost a million other documents in the process.

[Gig em Aggies]

but you don't know that until Congress investigates it. you cant always believe the media. when they say classified info was leaked take it with a grain of salt. plus if you look at most recent post pulled from the new York times it will give you a better understanding

Erm, no. He literally admitted it.

here is the excerpt I pulled from my post since you obviously didn't read it

Did Mr. Trump have legal authority to disclose the information?

Yes. The designation of information as a restricted national security secret is considered part of the president’s constitutional powers as commander in chief. Because the classified information system was not established and is not regulated by congressional statutes, Mr. Trump has the power to declassify or disclose anything he wants.

“The classification system is not based on a law,” said Steven Aftergood, a government secrecy specialist with the Federation of American Scientists. “It is an expression of presidential authority, and that means that the president and his designees decide what is classified, and they have the essentially unlimited authority to declassify at will. The president defines the terms of the security clearance system and the parameters that determine who may be given access to classified information.”

[Salandriagado]

Erm, no. He literally admitted it.

here is the excerpt I pulled from my post since you obviously didn't read it

Did Mr. Trump have legal authority to disclose the information?

Yes. The designation of information as a restricted national security secret is considered part of the president’s constitutional powers as commander in chief. Because the classified information system was not established and is not regulated by congressional statutes, Mr. Trump has the power to declassify or disclose anything he wants.

“The classification system is not based on a law,” said Steven Aftergood, a government secrecy specialist with the Federation of American Scientists. “It is an expression of presidential authority, and that means that the president and his designees decide what is classified, and they have the essentially unlimited authority to declassify at will. The president defines the terms of the security clearance system and the parameters that determine who may be given access to classified information.”

At which point did I claim that it was illegal? The law and ethics are only tangentially related.

[Jamzmania]

If this was indeed what was leaked, then I'm glad it was leaked, but from my understanding Manning did not take proper precautions in censoring what he leaked, thus putting national security at risk.

well you can leak incidents such as that of the 2007 helicopter attack w/o stealing almost a million other documents in the process.

That's what I'm saying. My understanding is that he leaked a whole lot more than he needed to just to show supposed crimes.

[Torsiedelle]

I personally am pleased with this. I never thought that was Private Manning did was wrong to begin with. It may have been wrong to the Army, and I understand why she was punished (It IS technically treason) but I've never been too hung up on that anyhow.

[Eastfield Lodge]

Killing unarmed civilians is legal now?

I'm merely asking what crimes were supposedly revealed by Manning. I would appreciate some sources as well, if you or someone else may be so kind, so that I may educate myself.

Ah, my apologies, I thought you were being sarky.

[MERIZoC]

Lovely tweets she sent out. <3

Wonderful woman, really happy for her

[Ifreann]

Even though this 'person' or 'it'

She.

is free manning shouldn't receive any benefits monetary or healthcare from the government at all.

Are former prisoners usually denied benefits? And everyone is entitled to at least emergency care from the government.

when I heard the news I described the situation as a piece of shit. I was not happy other people such as
John Anthony Walker Jr, died in Prison
Arthur Walker, received three life sentences
John's son Michael Walker, 25 year prison term
and Robert Philip Hanssen received Life in prison

two of these men were in the military and had done the same thing as manning yet they got the book thrown at them but manning didn't its a gross miscarriage of justice that the former president thought it was okay to steal and give secrets but not get punished accordingly.

Clearly you and he disagree on how much punishment was warranted in this case.

I hope the commutation can be overturned

I doubt it.

and put manning back in jail for life

Considering she was only sentenced to 35 years in the first place I don't know how her sentence could possibly be extended to life.

where spies like him belong.

Her.

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Hit up WikiLeaks. There's also video on youtube, footage from the drone that shows people killing some alleged terrorists (they turned out to be civilians) and then doubling back and killing the first responders with the drone. In the leaks, there is evidence that the drone operators killed children and said they killed a "fun sized terrorist"

Related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_ ... ne_strikes

Basically, the long and short of it is the US has been killing a massive amount of bystanders in drone strikes, and the Manning leaks were all about the callous disregard for civilians by the operators involved. And, by the way, what was done does constitute war crimes.

If this was indeed what was leaked, then I'm glad it was leaked, but from my understanding Manning did not take proper precautions in censoring what he leaked, thus putting national security at risk.

She.

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well you can leak incidents such as that of the 2007 helicopter attack w/o stealing almost a million other documents in the process.

That's what I'm saying. My understanding is that he leaked a whole lot more than he needed to just to show supposed crimes.

She.

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I personally am pleased with this. I never thought that was Private Manning did was wrong to begin with. It may have been wrong to the Army, and I understand why she was punished (It IS technically treason) but I've never been too hung up on that anyhow.

I'd love to know by what technicality one can be guilty of treason when the crimes one was convicted of are not treason.

[Imperializt Russia]

Yeah, but so did the fucking President.

but you don't know that until Congress investigates it. you cant always believe the media. when they say classified info was leaked take it with a grain of salt. plus if you look at most recent post pulled from the new York times it will give you a better understanding

Except members of the intelligence community admit it was classified. Trump himself basically admitted it was classified, just that it didn't matter because he's the president.
Members of Congress admit it was classified. Someone has called for the official impeachment process to begin, on the basis it was classified information.

We know the basic general area of the information (laptop-based bomb threat), because its been in the media for over a year, and that specifics on it were classified. It was these classified portions disseminated to the Russians.

[Imperializt Russia]

Answer the question.
So you support committing war crimes then, if they're inevitable?

By stating a fact it means I support criminality? The hell.

You stated it in direct response to a post explaining that war crimes are, well, crimes.

[Uxupox]

By stating a fact it means I support criminality? The hell.

You stated it in direct response to a post explaining that war crimes are, well, crimes.

I stated a fact in which a gentleman's war is historical farce.

[Imperializt Russia]

You stated it in direct response to a post explaining that war crimes are, well, crimes.

I stated a fact in which a gentleman's war is historical farce.

In response to a post pointing out that war crimes are illegal acts of criminality.

So, pray tell, what is the relevance?

[KrakenCo]

Hopefully she/he/it fucks up again and gets the death penalty this time.

Like he/she/it should've.







inb4mod

[Ifreann]

Hopefully she/he/it fucks up again and gets the death penalty this time.

Like he/she/it should've.







inb4mod

She. Not complicated.

[Torsiedelle]

Hopefully she/he/it fucks up again and gets the death penalty this time.

Like he/she/it should've.







inb4mod

She. Not complicated.

*nods*

common courtesy, at least....I think...

I should learn more about this story over the last few years. I know the beginning and the general gist of everything, but I'm admittedly ignorant of recent events. I don't have much time to devote to this sort of stuff nowadays T.T

[Cedoria]

Not really, though.

She did but it didn't stick in a court of law.

Everyone knows she did it they just couldn't prove it.

Then she is not legally a traitor, ergo, there is no grounds for imprisonment.

Seriously, whatever you may think, she's served her time. I don't think she should've been in prison in the first place, but that's not relevant now.

I didn't like Obama overall for most things, but I'll give him credit on this one.

[KrakenCo]

Hopefully she/he/it fucks up again and gets the death penalty this time.

Like he/she/it should've.







inb4mod

She. Not complicated.

He. Biologically a he, so hes a he.

[Ifreann]

She. Not complicated.

He. Biologically a he, so hes a he.

So why did you append "/she/it" first time around?

[Liriena]

She. Not complicated.

He. Biologically a he, so hes a he.

Don't namedrop a science if you don't know how to apply it.

Her being assigned male at birth doesn't change the fact that she is not a man at this point. Gender may be conditioned by biology, but it is not bound by it. Your failure, or refusal, to understand this is not our problem, but it's not going to do you any favors.

[Liriena]

it

Now you're just asking for it.

[Gig em Aggies]

He. Biologically a he, so hes a he.

Don't namedrop a science if you don't know how to apply it.

Her being assigned male at birth doesn't change the fact that she is not a man at this point. Gender may be conditioned by biology, but it is not bound by it. Your failure, or refusal, to understand this is not our problem, but it's not going to do you any favors.

And constantly correcting others opinions is not gonna help you either. If KrakenCo wants to describe manning as he or it that's his choice if you want to call manning a she then that's your choice, just like me I prefer to call manning either traitor or wuss. Nevermind I was gonna say something about how your statement on gender is wrong but that's other topic all together.

[Liriena]

Don't namedrop a science if you don't know how to apply it.

Her being assigned male at birth doesn't change the fact that she is not a man at this point. Gender may be conditioned by biology, but it is not bound by it. Your failure, or refusal, to understand this is not our problem, but it's not going to do you any favors.

And constantly correcting others opinions is not gonna help you either.

I'm not doing it for my own benefit.

If KrakenCo wants to describe manning as he or it that's his choice if you want to call manning a she then that's your choice, just like me I prefer to call manning either traitor or wuss.

And it's also my choice and my right to criticise KrakenCo's opinion.

Nevermind I was gonna say something about how your statement on gender is wrong but that's other topic all together.

Fair enough. If you ever feel like saying that, I have a source at the ready to refute you.

[Cedoria]

She. Not complicated.

He. Biologically a he, so hes a he.

Then why did you bracket 'she' and 'it' the first time.

We know full well what you meant, so why did you try and cover yourself afterwards?

And she's a she. Not hard to understand.