Chelsea Manning Released from prison

[Uxupox]

Bullshit.

So...what? Are you denying the contents of the leaks, or are you saying she actually released the personal information of every US service member in the world? Because both are equally baseless claims.

What the fuck are you talking about.

[Thermodolia]

So...what? Are you denying the contents of the leaks, or are you saying she actually released the personal information of every US service member in the world? Because both are equally baseless claims.

What the fuck are you talking about.

They evidently have a hate boner for America

[Charnea]

Not to be heartless, but if servicemen are killing innocent children and calling them "fun sized terrorists", killing first responders, killing all kinds of innocent civilians with wild abandon, not a care in the world, then no. I'm not entirely concerned for their welfare.

Ya where done here. You have proven that you don't want to debate but throw hate on US Servicemembers

Oh, we're done here. Okay. Who made you an authority on this debate? Are you a mod? No? Then either debate my points or stop talking. I don't care if you think I'm not good at debating.

[Imperializt Russia]

So its the second one then. No thought in your argument. Cool, thanks for clearing that up.


Uh, highlighting what was actually in the leak? Arguing that if you are against the Manning leaks you either don't care about the atrocities against civilians that were revealed, or you just didn't think about it? I'd say its pretty relevant.

Nice that you don't care that servicemen can get hurt because she fucked up. Very nice. Manning approves.

It was seven years ago, so if they were going to get hurt it would already have happened, and most of the information is now seven years out of date.

How many servicemen and women were conclusively hurt or directly threatened as a result of the documents that Manning leaked?

[Charnea]

So...what? Are you denying the contents of the leaks, or are you saying she actually released the personal information of every US service member in the world? Because both are equally baseless claims.

What the fuck are you talking about.

You said what I was saying was bullshit. So tell me, which part is bullshit. The part about Manning only releasing the information of people involved in the atrocities she was leaking about, or the part about the leaks themselves.

[Uxupox]

Nice that you don't care that servicemen can get hurt because she fucked up. Very nice. Manning approves.

It was seven years ago, so if they were going to get hurt it would already have happened, and most of the information is now seven years out of date.

How many servicemen and women were conclusively hurt or directly threatened as a result of the documents that Manning leaked?

Most likely that information is classified. So I honestly don't have data on it.

What the fuck are you talking about.

You said what I was saying was bullshit. So tell me, which part is bullshit. The part about Manning only releasing the information of people involved in the atrocities she was leaking about, or the part about the leaks themselves.

You already been blocked for putting words my in my mouth.

[Charnea]

What the fuck are you talking about.

They evidently have a hate boner for America

And you evidently have no argument, which is why you are trying to invalidate mine instead of making your own.

[Charnea]

You said what I was saying was bullshit. So tell me, which part is bullshit. The part about Manning only releasing the information of people involved in the atrocities she was leaking about, or the part about the leaks themselves.

You already been blocked for putting words my in my mouth.

I'm asking you what you think, genius!

Tell me what your position is!

[Charnea]

Well alrighty then. I guess that's that.

[Eastfield Lodge]

It was seven years ago, so if they were going to get hurt it would already have happened, and most of the information is now seven years out of date.

How many servicemen and women were conclusively hurt or directly threatened as a result of the documents that Manning leaked?

Most likely that information is classified. So I honestly don't have data on it.

You said what I was saying was bullshit. So tell me, which part is bullshit. The part about Manning only releasing the information of people involved in the atrocities she was leaking about, or the part about the leaks themselves.

You already been blocked for putting words my in my mouth.

Here's a related question:

Let's say Soldier A was committing war crimes with wild abandon (killing civilians, prisoners, etc). Soldier B leaks this information for the purpose of the wider public, but it accidentally leads to Soldier A's capture by the enemy. Would you still charge Solider B with treason?

Another question, do you support US soldiers who committed crimes against humanity against the enemy going unpunished?

[Uxupox]

Most likely that information is classified. So I honestly don't have data on it.


You already been blocked for putting words my in my mouth.

Here's a related question:

Let's say Soldier A was committing war crimes with wild abandon (killing civilians, prisoners, etc). Soldier B leaks this information for the purpose of the wider public, but it accidentally leads to Soldier A's capture by the enemy. Would you still charge Solider B with treason?

Another question, do you support US soldiers who committed crimes against humanity against the enemy going unpunished?

The topic of discussion is Manning and not myself.

[Eastfield Lodge]

Here's a related question:

Let's say Soldier A was committing war crimes with wild abandon (killing civilians, prisoners, etc). Soldier B leaks this information for the purpose of the wider public, but it accidentally leads to Soldier A's capture by the enemy. Would you still charge Solider B with treason?

Another question, do you support US soldiers who committed crimes against humanity against the enemy going unpunished?

The topic of discussion is Manning and not myself.

Except the thread seemed to devolve to a question of what is treason and what isn't.

[Tombradya]

I disagree. A sentence like that seems more appropriate for those who seek to actually bolster a nations enemies, not reckless wannabe heros. Without a distinction between these crimes we treat them as the same level of severity, and they simply aren't.

"Reckless wannabe heroes" and treason individuals are synonymous and should be considered as such.

That's not what the right said when Reagan and Ollie North were caught selling weapons to Iran.

Considering they directly armed right wing death squads I'd say that was way worse than what mr/ms/whatever Manning did.

[Uxupox]

"Reckless wannabe heroes" and treason individuals are synonymous and should be considered as such.

That's not what the right said when Reagan and Ollie North were caught selling weapons to Iran.

Considering they directly armed right wing death squads I'd say that was way worse than what mr/ms/whatever Manning did.

So? I don't care what they "right" says.

[Uxupox]

The topic of discussion is Manning and not myself.

Except the thread seemed to devolve to a question of what is treason and what isn't.

Treason is already defined by the United States government. Use that definition.

[Ifreann]

Except the thread seemed to devolve to a question of what is treason and what isn't.

Treason is already defined by the United States government. Use that definition.

A crime she wasn't convicted of, but that people nonetheless want her variously executed for, imprisoned for life for, tortured and executed for, etc., etc.

[Uxupox]

Treason is already defined by the United States government. Use that definition.

A crime she wasn't convicted of, but that people nonetheless want her variously executed for, imprisoned for life for, tortured and executed for, etc., etc.

Article 94 of the UCMJ states another thing entirely.

[Charnea]

A crime she wasn't convicted of, but that people nonetheless want her variously executed for, imprisoned for life for, tortured and executed for, etc., etc.

Article 94 of the UCMJ states another thing entirely.

You mean this? https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/894

That is Article 94 of the UCMJ, by the way.

[Ifreann]

A crime she wasn't convicted of, but that people nonetheless want her variously executed for, imprisoned for life for, tortured and executed for, etc., etc.

Article 94 of the UCMJ states another thing entirely.

That's nice. She wasn't convicted of mutiny or sedition either.

[Uxupox]

Article 94 of the UCMJ states another thing entirely.

That's nice. She wasn't convicted of mutiny or sedition either.

(1) with intent to usurp or override lawful military authority, refuses, in concert with any other person, to obey orders or otherwise do his duty or creates any violence or disturbance is guilty of mutiny;
(2) with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of lawful civil authority, creates, in concert with any other person, revolt, violence, or disturbance against that authority is guilty of sedition

[Charnea]

That's nice. She wasn't convicted of mutiny or sedition either.

(1) with intent to usurp or override lawful military authority, refuses, in concert with any other person, to obey orders or otherwise do his duty or creates any violence or disturbance is guilty of mutiny;
(2) with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of lawful civil authority, creates, in concert with any other person, revolt, violence, or disturbance against that authority is guilty of sedition

What part of "she wasn't convicted of that" don't you get?

[Calladan]

Not really, though.

Eh, she provided classified information to a foreign organization whose leader is extremely anti-establishment and has a hate-boner against the US.

That's pretty much treason.

Didn't Trump do that two days ago?

[Jamzmania]

Obama never should have commuted his sentence.

[Charnea]

Eh, she provided classified information to a foreign organization whose leader is extremely anti-establishment and has a hate-boner against the US.

That's pretty much treason.

Didn't Trump do that two days ago?

Sure did. And yet no one is rabidly calling for his execution. Well...at least not for that. Well...at least not anyone in the media or the government.

[Charnea]

Obama never should have commuted his sentence.

*her