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Bressen
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Postby Bressen » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Bressen wrote:Because I don't pay taxes, and I live in the UK so I'd find it hardpressed to file a lawsuit on account of something being unconstitutional (uncodified is a mess), and it'd be a fruitless endeavour since the courts are funded by the government who are in turn funded by the taxpayer, so the courts are pretty dependent on taxes and aren't likely to rule against them.

How is it that you don't pay taxes? And why do you hate public education so much. How would you reform the system? Change needs to start somewhere. run for parliament or get attention to your cause by filing suit.

I never said I hated public education, lmao. All I've said is that it shouldn't be compulsory.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:01 pm

My despise of anarchism aside, how would you who opposse public school change the education system?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:03 pm

Bressen wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How is it that you don't pay taxes? And why do you hate public education so much. How would you reform the system? Change needs to start somewhere. run for parliament or get attention to your cause by filing suit.

I never said I hated public education, lmao. All I've said is that it shouldn't be compulsory.

and why shouldnt it be?

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Postby Evinkay » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:03 pm

Settlement 0011 wrote:
Evinkay wrote:
If Anarcho-Capitalism happened right now the two most powerful people in the world would be...

Sociopaths pretending to care about their workers.

What is bad about that?
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Yep, and exactly how many them own businesses?

It would be half of them if ancap worked because they are not regulated.



The lack of regulations would put the worst kind of ruthless people in power who'd kill, fire, or ruin anyone who would try to compete with them.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:03 pm

Settlement 0011 wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Pay taxes =/= required communist reading

Hitler taxed Jews and then he taxed them with blood

So taxes are literally Hitler now?
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Internationalist Bastard wrote:My despise of anarchism aside, how would you who opposse public school change the education system?

I don't oppose public education, but I think a voucher system sounds pretty cool, promoting school choice and all that. Haven't done much research into it, though.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:04 pm

Settlement 0011 wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:My despise of anarchism aside, how would you who opposse public school change the education system?

By letting children choose what they want to learn. Its their responsibility.

And let's say those kids don't have money, like, most kids
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Postby Bressen » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:04 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Bressen wrote:I never said I hated public education, lmao. All I've said is that it shouldn't be compulsory.

and why shouldnt it be?

Because we shouldn't be forcing people to attend school if they don't want to, and we certainly shouldn't go on to threaten the parents of those people with fines if they refuse to force their child to attend school.
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"The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilised community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others."
- J.S Mill

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere."
- Voltaire

"My whole religion is this: do every duty, and expect no reward for it, either here or hereafter."
- Bertrand Russell

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect."
- Mark Twain

"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities."
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:04 pm

Bressen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:So you don't pay taxes?

I'm 17, in education and don't have a personal allowance over 11,500 pounds, of course I don't pay taxes.

I'm 23, also in education, and am unemployed (and before you insinuate, I take no benefits :roll: ), yet for some reason, I'm pro-taxes, and will remain pro-taxes once I enter a career field.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:04 pm

Bressen wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:My despise of anarchism aside, how would you who opposse public school change the education system?

I don't oppose public education, but I think a voucher system sounds pretty cool, promoting school choice and all that. Haven't done much research into it, though.

Voucher systems haven't really worked here.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:05 pm

Bressen wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:My despise of anarchism aside, how would you who opposse public school change the education system?

I don't oppose public education, but I think a voucher system sounds pretty cool, promoting school choice and all that. Haven't done much research into it, though.

a voucher system is a terrible idea. Quality Education shouldnt be something only the rich can afford.

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Postby Evinkay » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:05 pm

Settlement 0011 wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:My despise of anarchism aside, how would you who opposse public school change the education system?

By letting children choose what they want to learn. Its their responsibility.



Your proposed government system is literally just glorified feudalism. Who has any choices?
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:05 pm

Settlement 0011 wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:So taxes are literally Hitler now?

You said that for Trump a hundred times surely

Actually no I didn't
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Postby Oldenfranck » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:05 pm

Yes, up to the age of eighteen, or completion of high school, whichever comes first. Besides a small handful of exceptions though, no free college for anyone.

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Postby Bressen » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:06 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Bressen wrote:I don't oppose public education, but I think a voucher system sounds pretty cool, promoting school choice and all that. Haven't done much research into it, though.

a voucher system is a terrible idea. Quality Education shouldnt be something only the rich can afford.

Maybe not necessarily a voucher system, but I'd just like to see more choice in general for schooling. Like I said, I don't know much about the alternative methods, so I don't really want to get into a discussion about them.
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"The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilised community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others."
- J.S Mill

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere."
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"My whole religion is this: do every duty, and expect no reward for it, either here or hereafter."
- Bertrand Russell

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:06 pm

Bressen wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:My despise of anarchism aside, how would you who opposse public school change the education system?

I don't oppose public education, but I think a voucher system sounds pretty cool, promoting school choice and all that. Haven't done much research into it, though.

Maybe this is why you think it sounds pretty cool.

It's bad for everyone except:
1) the companies that run the schools
2) wealthy parents and their children
3) Betsey DeVos anyone who takes kickbacks from the companies in (1) to push voucher schools
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:06 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Bressen wrote:I'm 17, in education and don't have a personal allowance over 11,500 pounds, of course I don't pay taxes.

I'm 23, also in education, and am unemployed (and before you insinuate, I take no benefits :roll: ), yet for some reason, I'm pro-taxes, and will remain pro-taxes once I enter a career field.

I'm in my 20 and have been in the workforce for 6 years and I'm pro-taxes.
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Postby Gyrenaica » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:06 pm

I personally believe parents should be allowed to decide what's best for their child. But I realize the benefits of having kids go to school for a basic education.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:06 pm

Settlement 0011 wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:And let's say those kids don't have money, like, most kids

F R E E E D U C A T I O N

How would it work and who would pay for it?
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Postby Portekistan » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:06 pm

Yes, at least until 16. How can one succeed in life without at least basic education?
Also, education at compulsory age must be offered by the government and free of charge, including text books over $30. Well, at least this is how it is in my country, and it kinda works.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:07 pm

Bressen wrote:
San Lumen wrote:and why shouldnt it be?

Because we shouldn't be forcing people to attend school if they don't want to, and we certainly shouldn't go on to threaten the parents of those people with fines if they refuse to force their child to attend school.

Why should there be a choice? Parents or students should be able to choose to be totally uneducated? Should there be homeschooling or should that be a choice too?

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:07 pm

Bressen wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:My despise of anarchism aside, how would you who opposse public school change the education system?

I don't oppose public education, but I think a voucher system sounds pretty cool, promoting school choice and all that. Haven't done much research into it, though.

It's basically just public school with extra steps. Taxes still pay for, schools likely would steal likely have to fall within some net of curriculum in order to qualify, and most kids would still end up in general ed.
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Postby Bressen » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:07 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Bressen wrote:I'm 17, in education and don't have a personal allowance over 11,500 pounds, of course I don't pay taxes.

I'm 23, also in education, and am unemployed (and before you insinuate, I take no benefits :roll: ), yet for some reason, I'm pro-taxes, and will remain pro-taxes once I enter a career field.

Good for you? I'm not sure what point you was trying to make here, other than the fact that you are X and have Y opinion. I think it's a stupid opinion, but you're welcome to have it.
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"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere."
- Voltaire

"My whole religion is this: do every duty, and expect no reward for it, either here or hereafter."
- Bertrand Russell

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect."
- Mark Twain

"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities."
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:08 pm

Bressen wrote:
San Lumen wrote:a voucher system is a terrible idea. Quality Education shouldnt be something only the rich can afford.

Maybe not necessarily a voucher system, but I'd just like to see more choice in general for schooling. Like I said, I don't know much about the alternative methods, so I don't really want to get into a discussion about them.

So your opposed to something but don't knew the alternatives? Makes perfect sense.

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Postby Evinkay » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:08 pm

Settlement 0011 wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Actually no I didn't

Le mao what an exception


Considering most people, even Liberals, never said Trump was "literally Hitler"...
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