Church seeks to establish it's own police force.

[Internationalist Bastard]

It's a moderate campus I understand

"Moderate"?
Can't be more than a few hundred people in the campi of the largest church in my area, a televangelist project of some kind. Is this the same number of people or less?

Over 4,000 members, apprently

[Ethel mermania]

How big is this church? How many people attend it? It seems rather frivolous for them to ask for such a privilege.

multiple campuses, a couple schools, a theoligical seminary.

[Ilha das Tempestades]

Sounds like this isn't just a Church, it's also a school. Willing to venture religious schools like Notre Dame and BYU and others have their own campus security forces and willing to also venture those security forces are more interested in protecting property and the safety of their people rather than being an inquisition force. Sounds like they'd rather be able to train and recruit themselves rather than have to contract a private security firm and have the ability to respond to emergencies quickly. Police/Medical response time can be what 5-10 minutes in a metro area, even more in rural areas?

Take a chill pill NSG not everything with a religions basis means it's gonna be evil. If they stay on Church/Campus grounds, cooperate with local law enforcement agencies you'll all be fine. Must everything around here be all about crying human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together mass hysteria!

[UCE Watchdog of the Puppets]

"Moderate"?
Can't be more than a few hundred people in the campi of the largest church in my area, a televangelist project of some kind. Is this the same number of people or less?

Over 4,000 members, apprently

Police request approved. As long as they don't try to enforce the presbyterian equivalent of canon law.

[Infected Mushroom]

No. This would be treason. Any person who claims to form his own Police Force is saying I Am The Law and is betraying the flag and sigil of his father and their fathers before him. To do so is tantamount to treason and the same laws that bind individuals must also bind the Church.

Accordingly, this cannot proceed. Lest the nation fall apart. Only the state may run the police, anyone else who claims to create such a body, must be stopped.

[The Two Jerseys]

No. This would be treason. Any person who claims to form his own Police Force is saying I Am The Law and is betraying the flag and sigil of his father and their fathers before him. To do so is tantamount to treason and the same laws that bind individuals must also bind the Church.

Accordingly, this cannot proceed. Lest the nation fall apart. Only the state may run the police, anyone else who claims to create such a body, must be stopped.

Funny, railroads have had their own private police forces for almost 150 years and the country hasn't collapsed yet...

[USS Monitor]

There's no reason to give a church that kind of authority. If they want to have some security personnel on their property, that's fine, but they shouldn't be conducting investigations or making decisions about who gets locked up.

[Hurdergaryp]

No. This would be treason. Any person who claims to form his own Police Force is saying I Am The Law and is betraying the flag and sigil of his father and their fathers before him. To do so is tantamount to treason and the same laws that bind individuals must also bind the Church.

Accordingly, this cannot proceed. Lest the nation fall apart. Only the state may run the police, anyone else who claims to create such a body, must be stopped.

Funny, railroads have had their own private police forces for almost 150 years and the country hasn't collapsed yet...

Railway police has an authority somewhere inbetween regular police departments and security. Also their jurisdiction tends to be very strict and limited to those areas which are owned or exploited by the railroad company. Comparing churches with railroad companies is pretty much the same as comparing donuts with broccoli.

[Ethel mermania]

Funny, railroads have had their own private police forces for almost 150 years and the country hasn't collapsed yet...

Railway police has an authority somewhere inbetween regular police departments and security. Also their jurisdiction tends to be very strict and limited to those areas which are owned or exploited by the railroad company. Comparing churches with railroad companies is pretty much the same as comparing donuts with broccoli.

Donuts win.

BUT some public and christian colleges do have their own police forces. The damm Jesuits at notre dame, for example have a police department.

The advantage of a police force is they have to meet state regulations for a police force, a simple security dept does not.

[Crockerland]

Funny, railroads have had their own private police forces for almost 150 years and the country hasn't collapsed yet...

Railway police has an authority somewhere inbetween regular police departments and security. Also their jurisdiction tends to be very strict and limited to those areas which are owned or exploited by the railroad company.

So... Exactly like the Church police?

Comparing churches with railroad companies is pretty much the same as comparing donuts with broccoli.

You have yet to show that is the case.

[Cymrea]

Railway police has an authority somewhere inbetween regular police departments and security. Also their jurisdiction tends to be very strict and limited to those areas which are owned or exploited by the railroad company.

So... Exactly like the Church police?

Comparing churches with railroad companies is pretty much the same as comparing donuts with broccoli.

You have yet to show that is the case.

IF the church in question adheres to the state's hiring, training, operating, and reporting standards for a law enforcement agency, and IF the police force enforces public law (as opposed to whatever code the church might devise), then I suppose that would be fine. I would question how the church plans to pay for these things and also consult with the IRS as to how that would jive with the tax exemptions.

[Hurdergaryp]

Railway police has an authority somewhere inbetween regular police departments and security. Also their jurisdiction tends to be very strict and limited to those areas which are owned or exploited by the railroad company. Comparing churches with railroad companies is pretty much the same as comparing donuts with broccoli.

Donuts win.

BUT some public and christian colleges do have their own police forces. The damm Jesuits at notre dame, for example have a police department.

The advantage of a police force is they have to meet state regulations for a police force, a simple security dept does not.

You'd think that history would have shown that Jesuits should not be trusted with any kind of executive power. The Holy Inquisition, anyone? Now there's a textbook example of religious police!

[Crockerland]

So... Exactly like the Church police?

You have yet to show that is the case.

IF the church in question adheres to the state's hiring, training, operating, and reporting standards for a law enforcement agency, and IF the police force enforces public law (as opposed to whatever code the church might devise), then I suppose that would be fine.

I have a hard time believing that they would be allowed to create a police force without meeting those conditions.

[Salus Maior]

There's no reason to give a church that kind of authority. If they want to have some security personnel on their property, that's fine, but they shouldn't be conducting investigations or making decisions about who gets locked up.

They can't do anything illegal.

[Cymrea]

IF the church in question adheres to the state's hiring, training, operating, and reporting standards for a law enforcement agency, and IF the police force enforces public law (as opposed to whatever code the church might devise), then I suppose that would be fine.

I have a hard time believing that they would be allowed to create a police force without meeting those conditions.

I would too, but crazier and stupider things have happened.

[The Imperial Papal States]

Well, the church has already organized a force for the protection of Clergy/Relics/other important locations...

Don't know what else the church needs

[Salus Maior]

Well, the church has already organized a force for the protection of Clergy/Relics/other important locations...

Don't know what else the church needs

This isn't the Catholic Chuch.

[The Imperial Papal States]

Well, the church has already organized a force for the protection of Clergy/Relics/other important locations...

Don't know what else the church needs

This isn't the Catholic Chuch.

Elaborate

[Gauthier]

This isn't the Catholic Chuch.

Elaborate

Briarwood Presbyterian Church

[Ethel mermania]

Donuts win.

BUT some public and christian colleges do have their own police forces. The damm Jesuits at notre dame, for example have a police department.

The advantage of a police force is they have to meet state regulations for a police force, a simple security dept does not.

You'd think that history would have shown that Jesuits should not be trusted with any kind of executive power. The Holy Inquisition, anyone? Now there's a textbook example of religious police!

Tbf, they have gotten better.

[Ifreann]

Railway police has an authority somewhere inbetween regular police departments and security. Also their jurisdiction tends to be very strict and limited to those areas which are owned or exploited by the railroad company. Comparing churches with railroad companies is pretty much the same as comparing donuts with broccoli.

Donuts win.

BUT some public and christian colleges do have their own police forces. The damm Jesuits at notre dame, for example have a police department.

The advantage of a police force is they have to meet state regulations for a police force, a simple security dept does not.

Sure. There was a police station in my university. But they didn't work for the university, they worked for the national police force. Which is the only police force. The station was there because it was convenient. The campus is essentially a small town within the suburbs of a city. And I think they mostly did paperwork. Signing off on applications for ID so people can get into night clubs, now that they're 18 and living away from their parents for the first time.

[Flarbinia]

It is just the equivalent of a college campus's "police force", calm down. They explicitly say that the force is only for on the church campus, nowhere else.

It would not involve a jail or other facilities - basically an officer and an official car, he said. "I couldn't imagine it would be something more than that," Johnston said. "If there is an arrest on campus, the local jurisdiction would be called and they would come pick the person up."

Nothing more than security.

Exactly

[Neanderthaland]

You'd think that history would have shown that Jesuits should not be trusted with any kind of executive power. The Holy Inquisition, anyone? Now there's a textbook example of religious police!

Tbf, they have gotten better.

Indeed. I notice an almost linear correlation between how good they are and how little power they have.

[The United Remnants of America]

I want every Catholic church to have a police force, please.

Let's bring some order back to this world, with Catholic Law!

Nobody will suspect it.

[Aelex]

I want every Catholic church to have a police force, please.

Let's bring some order back to this world, with Catholic Law!

Nobody will suspect it.

[Insert Spanish Inquisition Joke here]
All kidding aside, as long as the State is ok with it, why not?