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by New Grestin » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:33 pm
Let’s not dwell on our corpse strewn past. Let’s celebrate our corpse strewn future!
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by Nilla Wayfarers » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:34 pm
New Grestin wrote:Bust the two party system first and foremost. It's led to a "Us versus Them" mentality that's pulling the country apart at the seams.
Level the playing field and people might actually be able to vote for smaller, lesser funded parties with more agreeable views without throwing away their vote.
The elections should never have become a choice between the shiniest of two turds in the first place.
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by Valaran » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:39 pm
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
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Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire
by Nilla Wayfarers » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:41 pm
Valaran wrote:Honestly don't mind the Two-party system that much. Obviously in its current form its damaging, but it wasn't always polarised in this manner, so I'm not sure the basic idea is inherently bad.
The Greatest GA Resolution Author Ever wrote:Due to more of the Econmy using computers instead of Paper The Manufactoring for paper prducts shpuld decrease because were wasting rescources on paper ad more paper is being thrown in the trash
by New Grestin » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:44 pm
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:New Grestin wrote:Bust the two party system first and foremost. It's led to a "Us versus Them" mentality that's pulling the country apart at the seams.
Level the playing field and people might actually be able to vote for smaller, lesser funded parties with more agreeable views without throwing away their vote.
The elections should never have become a choice between the shiniest of two turds in the first place.
How do you propose eliminating a two-party system?
Let’s not dwell on our corpse strewn past. Let’s celebrate our corpse strewn future!
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by Valaran » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:45 pm
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:Valaran wrote:Honestly don't mind the Two-party system that much. Obviously in its current form its damaging, but it wasn't always polarised in this manner, so I'm not sure the basic idea is inherently bad.
Federalism.
Westward expansion.
Slavery.
Virtually everything has been polarized from the start.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire
by Nilla Wayfarers » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:46 pm
New Grestin wrote:Nilla Wayfarers wrote:How do you propose eliminating a two-party system?
The money is clearly the issue here. This last election made it abundantly clear that the only reason the Republicans and the Dems stay in power is because they've got money in the right places.
Creating an overall limit on campaign funding from private interests and companies would be a good start. Perhaps even reducing the time the elections take would help too. Establishing a set period where all candidates can advertise, publicize and do their thing, then requiring them to shut the fuck up for two weeks so people can actually make an informed decision could work.
I won't argue that's the correct option, only a potential solution with it's own inherent set of issues.
The only thing I can argue with any certainty is that the hegemony that the Republicans and Democrats hold over the government, thereby edging out other, potentially more productive parties, is a cancer on the American political system. Both parties have had their day to shine, and leveling the playing field and allowing a multi-party system similar to those in Europe would be a good way to allow different viewpoints other than the same two groups of rich dipshits arguing over guns and fetuses ad nauseum while the domestic issues tear the country apart.
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by Great Minarchistan » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:47 pm
by Nilla Wayfarers » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:49 pm
Valaran wrote:Nilla Wayfarers wrote:Federalism.
Westward expansion.
Slavery.
Virtually everything has been polarized from the start.
Issues can be polarising, but this didn't always result in Parties being polarised, in ways that damaged the nation. For instance, there were equally many instances were the Parties were able to work through differences, compromise, and generally just be focused on resolving problems, instead of rigidly enforcing legislative gridlock and the like. That isn't a halcyon view of 'how great democracy used to be', but I think its fairly apparent that issue-based division didn't always translate into gridlock and Party polarisation.
The Greatest GA Resolution Author Ever wrote:Due to more of the Econmy using computers instead of Paper The Manufactoring for paper prducts shpuld decrease because were wasting rescources on paper ad more paper is being thrown in the trash
by Valaran » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:53 pm
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:Valaran wrote:
Issues can be polarising, but this didn't always result in Parties being polarised, in ways that damaged the nation. For instance, there were equally many instances were the Parties were able to work through differences, compromise, and generally just be focused on resolving problems, instead of rigidly enforcing legislative gridlock and the like. That isn't a halcyon view of 'how great democracy used to be', but I think its fairly apparent that issue-based division didn't always translate into gridlock and Party polarisation.
Despite the passing of some "Compromises," like those in 1820 and 1850, those actually made it harder and harder to pass legislation regarding issues at hand. It's a nasty wheel that we're simply seeing spin one more time.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire
by Mer Salcia » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:58 pm
by Feriq » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:00 pm
by Forsher » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:08 pm
Great Minarchistan wrote:Honestly?
Constitutional monarchy. And since the US has no royal family, go grab someone from George Washington's bloodline :^)
by Mattopilos » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:20 pm
Mer Salcia wrote:Allow regions to secede and govern their own affairs.
by Great Minarchistan » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:27 pm
Forsher wrote:Great Minarchistan wrote:Honestly?
Constitutional monarchy. And since the US has no royal family, go grab someone from George Washington's bloodline :^)
While I agree that, as far as over-arching structures go, constitutional monarchy is both cutting edge and pre-disposed to certain o
utcomes... democracies tend not to fare well when you introduce something that substantial parts of the population dislike (i.e. monarchy) and the inevitable narrowing of the electoral issue to "shall we keep this Thing?" That is, no, I think this would be a step for the worse... unless you managed to get 80% of the electorate to show up and decisively vote for such a measure. Then, maybe, you could see it taking.
by Nilla Wayfarers » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:33 pm
Great Minarchistan wrote:Forsher wrote:
While I agree that, as far as over-arching structures go, constitutional monarchy is both cutting edge and pre-disposed to certain o
utcomes... democracies tend not to fare well when you introduce something that substantial parts of the population dislike (i.e. monarchy) and the inevitable narrowing of the electoral issue to "shall we keep this Thing?" That is, no, I think this would be a step for the worse... unless you managed to get 80% of the electorate to show up and decisively vote for such a measure. Then, maybe, you could see it taking.
That is why I think American Independence should've been different... Or if british government wasn't simply dumb at the point of raise taxes like crazy and spark an anti-monarchist feeling among the population.
The Greatest GA Resolution Author Ever wrote:Due to more of the Econmy using computers instead of Paper The Manufactoring for paper prducts shpuld decrease because were wasting rescources on paper ad more paper is being thrown in the trash
by The Great Freeland » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:57 pm
by Mer Salcia » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:18 am
by Socialist Nordia » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:13 am
Great Minarchistan wrote:Forsher wrote:
While I agree that, as far as over-arching structures go, constitutional monarchy is both cutting edge and pre-disposed to certain o
utcomes... democracies tend not to fare well when you introduce something that substantial parts of the population dislike (i.e. monarchy) and the inevitable narrowing of the electoral issue to "shall we keep this Thing?" That is, no, I think this would be a step for the worse... unless you managed to get 80% of the electorate to show up and decisively vote for such a measure. Then, maybe, you could see it taking.
That is why I think American Independence should've been different... Or if british government wasn't simply dumb at the point of raise taxes like crazy and spark an anti-monarchist feeling among the population.
by New New Reno » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:16 am
Republic of the Cristo wrote:The United States of the South Pole wrote:Don't just say remove the electoral college cause it favors the republicans, you know theres more to do than that. What would you personally do to put forth a fair electoral system in the United States? Besides the electoral college, you may want to put your opinions on
-Referendums
-Prisoner Voting Rights
-Superdelegates
-Third Parties
-E-Democracy
-Voter IDs
-Run off voting
... America isn't a democracy, it is a republic. Secondly, the electoral college has been around since the start of the nation, so I am unsure what you mean by, restore.
by Ifreann » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:15 am
The Great Freeland wrote:All parties should adopt open primaries in all states. No more super delegates.
by Post War America » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:49 am
The Great Freeland wrote:Reform the Electoral College not eliminate it. I think all states should move to a system that allocates their electoral votes based on the popular vote in your state. Currently if you vote Republican in California or Democrat in Texas your vote really doesn't matter because all of the electoral votes goes towards either the Democrat Candidate in California or the Republican in Texas. Instead split them based on your states popular vote. Going to a straight up popular vote nationally I think is a terrible idea. You end up with politicians only catering to a handful of cities. Only the needs of those in those areas will be catered to. The nation is to large and diverse to discount the electoral college. Also get rid of electors. No need for them.
Gravlen wrote:The famous Bowling Green Massacre is yesterday's news. Today it's all about the Cricket Blue Carnage. Tomorrow it'll be about the Curling Yellow Annihilation.
by Holy Jakelandion Empire » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:16 pm
Liriena wrote:Holy Jakelandion Empire wrote:DO NOT DISMANTLE THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE. The electoral college gives power to the states with lower populations, hence why the Primary vote is held in Iowa. If it was repealed, it would be held in the state with the most population, so CA. Rural areas would be abandoned by politicians, as they would only heed the needs of urban areas.
Bring back voter ID and stricter voting laws, to prevent mishaps from voting, like illegal immigrants voting even if they aren't citizens, which is probably why Hillary won the popular vote.
Our Founding Fathers knew that without proper representation, the politicians would abandon the rural populations and mooch up the filthy urban dwellers.
The electoral college is an anachronism, and it undermines the most basic principle of democracy (that every person's vote is equal in worth). Also, voter ID laws as they exist today are little more than poll taxes that purposefully depress turnout among Democratic-leaning demographics, and no, Hillary Clinton did not win the popular vote because of undocumented immigrants voting. This is a far right lie, and a stupid one at that.
Also... "filthy urban dwellers"? That's you insulting many of your fellow posters.
by Post War America » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:27 pm
Holy Jakelandion Empire wrote:Liriena wrote:The electoral college is an anachronism, and it undermines the most basic principle of democracy (that every person's vote is equal in worth). Also, voter ID laws as they exist today are little more than poll taxes that purposefully depress turnout among Democratic-leaning demographics, and no, Hillary Clinton did not win the popular vote because of undocumented immigrants voting. This is a far right lie, and a stupid one at that.
Also... "filthy urban dwellers"? That's you insulting many of your fellow posters.
America was never truly a democracy, so why make it one? America is a representative republic.
Plus, I don't happen to care about offending people...
Gravlen wrote:The famous Bowling Green Massacre is yesterday's news. Today it's all about the Cricket Blue Carnage. Tomorrow it'll be about the Curling Yellow Annihilation.
by Arlenton » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:27 pm
Feriq wrote:Why is it that American democracy in enslaved to the Southerners? They're not significant enough to warrant such power much less competent enough to wield it. It is the educated coastal elites that will usher in a new age of American dominance, not irrelevant xenophobic laborers.
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