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Postby Wallenburg » Tue May 10, 2016 7:48 pm

Grenartia wrote:Juma, a question. If this law, isn't, as the Charlotte Observer says, "as bad" as its being made out to be, then why hasn't McCrory said that the bathroom discrimination is "only voluntary"? Why have he and others instead doubled down on "hurr durr raypists"? Would it not make sense that he and the general assembly would have an easier time digging their state out of this hole by saying "no, it doesn't mandate bathroom discrimination, it only allows businesses to choose it" instead of resorting to a myth that has been debunked countless times?

To be fair, Republican politicians have a tendency to mash the bullshit button whenever they feel threatened, even when they have much better options. Of course, I doubt this equally dubious myth that the bill only applies to private businesses, and simply allows them to decide what policy to set.
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Postby Jumalariik » Tue May 10, 2016 7:51 pm

Grenartia wrote:Juma, a question. If this law, isn't, as the Charlotte Observer says, "as bad" as its being made out to be, then why hasn't McCrory said that the bathroom discrimination is "only voluntary"? Why have he and others instead doubled down on "hurr durr raypists"? Would it not make sense that he and the general assembly would have an easier time digging their state out of this hole by saying "no, it doesn't mandate bathroom discrimination, it only allows businesses to choose it" instead of resorting to a myth that has been debunked countless times?

You know, I don't disagree with you. I think the law is not perfect, I do think though that it is a good law in many ways. I think that many obvious improvements could be made to the law.
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue May 10, 2016 7:54 pm

Jumalariik wrote:
Grenartia wrote:Juma, a question. If this law, isn't, as the Charlotte Observer says, "as bad" as its being made out to be, then why hasn't McCrory said that the bathroom discrimination is "only voluntary"? Why have he and others instead doubled down on "hurr durr raypists"? Would it not make sense that he and the general assembly would have an easier time digging their state out of this hole by saying "no, it doesn't mandate bathroom discrimination, it only allows businesses to choose it" instead of resorting to a myth that has been debunked countless times?

You know, I don't disagree with you. I think the law is not perfect, I do think though that it is a good law in many ways. I think that many obvious improvements could be made to the law.


... That wasn't his question.

His question was why they haven't claimed that this is what the law is about as opposed to it being... Anything else.
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Postby Jumalariik » Tue May 10, 2016 7:59 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Jumalariik wrote:You know, I don't disagree with you. I think the law is not perfect, I do think though that it is a good law in many ways. I think that many obvious improvements could be made to the law.


... That wasn't his question.

His question was why they haven't claimed that this is what the law is about as opposed to it being... Anything else.

I don't know. Well thanks for the correction on my answer. But yeah, It's hard to say. The lawmakers do seem not to be handling this so well. ;/
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue May 10, 2016 8:00 pm

Jumalariik wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
... That wasn't his question.

His question was why they haven't claimed that this is what the law is about as opposed to it being... Anything else.

I don't know. Well thanks for the correction on my answer. But yeah, It's hard to say. The lawmakers do seem not to be handling this so well. ;/


As Indiana has shown, there's no good way to handle this except to repeal it, technically or literally.
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue May 10, 2016 8:09 pm

Ohioan Territory wrote:I'm a convicted sex offender. I am male, always have been, and always identified as one. I am heterosexual.

Today, I feel like a woman. I think I'll use the women's restroom.

You can't deny me access to it. That's discriminatory. It doesn't matter how uncomfortable anyone else feels, even if they are the majority. You have to take my word for how I feel on the inside, because nobody can prove if I legitimately feel this way. My word is as good as any other person. You can't accuse me of lying because of the way I dress, that's discriminatory as well! I'm allowed to dress and express myself in any way I'd like.

THAT is the problem with this transgender bathroom BS. There's no reason to upset more people to satisfy less.

Personally, if this is seriously going to happen on a grand scale, I think it should be completely up to the business, honestly. I don't agree with it, but apparently my local Target does, whatever.

(PS, I'm not actually a sex offender, nor am I feeling like a woman today)


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Postby Grenartia » Tue May 10, 2016 8:27 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Jumalariik wrote:You know, I don't disagree with you. I think the law is not perfect, I do think though that it is a good law in many ways. I think that many obvious improvements could be made to the law.


... That wasn't his their question.

His Their question was why they haven't claimed that this is what the law is about as opposed to it being... Anything else.


Indeed. Also, fixed. :P
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue May 10, 2016 8:44 pm

Grenartia wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
... That wasn't his their question.

His Their question was why they haven't claimed that this is what the law is about as opposed to it being... Anything else.


Indeed. Also, fixed. :P


Oh, sorry. :?
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Postby Grenartia » Tue May 10, 2016 8:45 pm

Jumalariik wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
... That wasn't his question.

His question was why they haven't claimed that this is what the law is about as opposed to it being... Anything else.

I don't know. Well thanks for the correction on my answer. But yeah, It's hard to say. The lawmakers do seem not to be handling this so well. ;/


I have a potential reason why. Perhaps it is because what I and others have been saying about this law is accurate, and you and the Charlotte Observer have it wrong.
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue May 10, 2016 8:53 pm

Salandriagado wrote:Immediate solution: have gender-neutral toilet facilities everywhere. Problem solved.

But that's too easy! How dare you take away the right to oppress people based on their jiggly (or not-so-jiggly) bits! >:(
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Postby The Alexanderians » Tue May 10, 2016 8:57 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:Immediate solution: have gender-neutral toilet facilities everywhere. Problem solved.

But that's too easy! How dare you take away the right to oppress people based on their jiggly (or not-so-jiggly) bits! >:(

I'm....really not sure what to make of this satire.
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Postby Grenartia » Tue May 10, 2016 8:58 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Indeed. Also, fixed. :P


Oh, sorry. :?


Its alright. I know people tend to forget even after reading my sig. I know you didn't mean anything by it.
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue May 10, 2016 8:59 pm

The Alexanderians wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:But that's too easy! How dare you take away the right to oppress people based on their jiggly (or not-so-jiggly) bits! >:(

I'm....really not sure what to make of this satire.

Just enjoy it, man. :)
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue May 10, 2016 9:05 pm

Grenartia wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Oh, sorry. :?


Its alright. I know people tend to forget even after reading my sig. I know you didn't mean anything by it.


I don't pay attention to most things in general so I hadn't even read your sig yet.

ADD will do that to ya.

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Postby Grenartia » Tue May 10, 2016 10:06 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Its alright. I know people tend to forget even after reading my sig. I know you didn't mean anything by it.


I don't pay attention to most things in general so I hadn't even read your sig yet.

ADD will do that to ya.

Oh look a butterfly.


I see. I've got ADHD, too, so--Ooh, shiny! :P
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Postby Vassenor » Tue May 10, 2016 11:27 pm

Well, it's nice to see that some people still do not understand the separation of church and state.

The legislature is not there to enforce Christian morals.
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Postby Threlizdun » Wed May 11, 2016 12:11 am

Jumalariik wrote:
Grenartia wrote:Juma, a question. If this law, isn't, as the Charlotte Observer says, "as bad" as its being made out to be, then why hasn't McCrory said that the bathroom discrimination is "only voluntary"? Why have he and others instead doubled down on "hurr durr raypists"? Would it not make sense that he and the general assembly would have an easier time digging their state out of this hole by saying "no, it doesn't mandate bathroom discrimination, it only allows businesses to choose it" instead of resorting to a myth that has been debunked countless times?

You know, I don't disagree with you. I think the law is not perfect, I do think though that it is a good law in many ways. I think that many obvious improvements could be made to the law.

Didn't you once support LGBTQIA rights because you felt God supported them? This regression is a troubling development.
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Postby Jumalariik » Wed May 11, 2016 3:28 am

Threlizdun wrote:
Jumalariik wrote:You know, I don't disagree with you. I think the law is not perfect, I do think though that it is a good law in many ways. I think that many obvious improvements could be made to the law.

Didn't you once support LGBTQIA rights because you felt God supported them? This regression is a troubling development.

I support the rights of all people to live in society. I do think that religious freedom is also very important. I would not discriminate upon LGBT people, but I think that those who would not want to serve them unfortunately should have that right. I think that Scriptural evidence indicates that God loves all people unconditionally and we should do the same. If that answers your question.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed May 11, 2016 3:53 am

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Threlizdun wrote:Didn't you once support LGBTQIA rights because you felt God supported them? This regression is a troubling development.

I support the rights of all people to live in society. I do think that religious freedom is also very important. I would not discriminate upon LGBT people, but I think that those who would not want to serve them unfortunately should have that right. I think that Scriptural evidence indicates that God loves all people unconditionally and we should do the same. If that answers your question.


How far should that right extend? Should that right extend to the only grocery store within 20 miles? How about the only gas station? The right you are trying to give people place others in direct danger.
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Postby Val Halla » Wed May 11, 2016 4:07 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Jumalariik wrote:I support the rights of all people to live in society. I do think that religious freedom is also very important. I would not discriminate upon LGBT people, but I think that those who would not want to serve them unfortunately should have that right. I think that Scriptural evidence indicates that God loves all people unconditionally and we should do the same. If that answers your question.


How far should that right extend? Should that right extend to the only grocery store within 20 miles? How about the only gas station? The right you are trying to give people place others in direct danger.

I know it's an over used phrase but it's really true. "Your freedom ends when mine begins". You can have your views and your freedoms. But they shouldn't impede mine. You can disagree with trans people, protest about it. But that doesn't mean you should stop me being able to piss.
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Postby The New Falkland Islands » Wed May 11, 2016 11:18 am

It violates Title VII. Why is this still a debate? I can't believe people...
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The New Falkland Islands wrote:It violates Title VII. Why is this still a debate? I can't believe people...


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