Woman of the Year becomes a bloody joke!

[Grave_n_idle]

Not for an award no.

That rather depends on the award.

If they wanted to use teh same effect and have a transwoman

It's not a matter of the 'effect' - it would have to be a transgendered person, because that's the specific category Jenner was chosen for.

...there is a big list of people worth a thousand Jenners.
laverne cox
Kye Allums
Carmen Carrera
Sarina Valentina

Every single one is an activists that actually understands the terms and issue of LGBT.

The category was 'Transgender Champion'. Not necessarily an activist.

So how is any of those people 'worth a thousand Jenners'?

From my point of view, given how massively popular Jenner's transition has been, and how well received overall, I can't think of a better choice this year.

Indeed, the most negative responses Jenner has got this year have been from transgendered individuals and the LGBT community.

Maybe the problem here isn't Jenner?

Unlike Jenner who while being married to a woman as a woman somehow mean she's straight...

There are 7 billion people on this planet, and half of them could probably most honestly describe their relationship status as 'it's complicated'.

[Grave_n_idle]

What has caitlyn even done at all to deserve this award otherwise?

Caitlyn is an inspiration and a role-model.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Hehehe, hardly worthy of that. <3

I give mine to you as well.

Topic, topic, please.

[Hugdom]

I give my Woman of the Year award to... You?

Hehehe, hardly worthy of that. <3

It's a dumb award, don't understand why anyone would want one any hoot. Who is to say one person is more worthy of being woman of the year than another? What does "woman of the year" even mean? Aren't general characteristics and accomplishments in general impossible to attribute literal value to? If it's basically what most of society thinks about who probably might deserve the award isn't it pretty much meaningless?

I mean, if someone like Caitlyn Jenner can win it, it sounds like fluff to me.

[Grave_n_idle]

Hehehe, hardly worthy of that. <3

It's a dumb award, don't understand why anyone would want one any hoot. Who is to say one person is more worthy of being woman of the year than another? What does "woman of the year" even mean? Aren't general characteristics and accomplishments in general impossible to attribute literal value to?

It depends on the category.

Perhaps you should have thought about looking this up before objecting to it?

[Val Halla]

I give my Woman of the Year award to... You?

Hehehe, hardly worthy of that. <3

You've done more for trans people than she has

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Hehehe, hardly worthy of that. <3

You've done more for trans people than she has

Better not to bring that up here.

Lets get back to the topic.

[Fartsniffage]

What has caitlyn even done at all to deserve this award otherwise?

Caitlyn is an inspiration and a role-model.

I'm not all that up on the info.....but didn't she kill someone while driving?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Caitlyn is an inspiration and a role-model.

I'm not all that up on the info.....but didn't she kill someone while driving?

She did. And why isn't she being tried?

[The Alexanderians]

Caitlyn is an inspiration and a role-model.

I'm not all that up on the info.....but didn't she kill someone while driving?

Yes
http://www.etonline.com/news/167636_caitlyn_jenner_exclusive_fatal_car_crash_surveillance_video/

[Hugdom]

What has caitlyn even done at all to deserve this award otherwise?

Caitlyn is an inspiration and a role-model.

Lol, what next. Alice Walton is a goddess?

Vehicular manslaughter =/= "Inspiration and a rolemodel"

Being an inauthentic reckless brat and spending a few million dollars to change your gender doesn't make you an inspiration. Being born transgender doesn't make you a good person. It's a neutral point that no one should pay attention to. That's not to say I'm ignorant of the problems they face, they shouldn't have to face those problems. But they shouldn't receive praise for merely existing. Existing is hard for everyone, if you want to give some arbitrary award based off of morals, hard work, and achievement give it to someone because they deserve it. Because giving it out to someone solely because of their celebrity status due to a minority status is bullshit. If anything, it makes transgender people feel worse. No one should want to be put on a pedestal because of their birth circumstances, they just want to be treated like regular people, because they ARE regular people. Caitlyn Jenner gives the wrong impression of transgender rights and makes it all meaningless.

[Fartsniffage]

I'm not all that up on the info.....but didn't she kill someone while driving?

She did. And why isn't she being tried?

I have no idea.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

She did. And why isn't she being tried?

I have no idea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caitlyn_J ... _car_crash

Prosecutor declined to file criminal charges but there are two civil suits pending.

[Grave_n_idle]

Caitlyn is an inspiration and a role-model.

I'm not all that up on the info.....but didn't she kill someone while driving?

No. Jenner was involved in a traffic accident in which someone died, but prosecutors said there was no real evidence of any criminal wrongdoing, and opted not to press any charges.

[The Alexanderians]

She did. And why isn't she being tried?

I have no idea.

Rich and famous especially "celebrities" get off easier, courts and juries are often too friendly to them.

[Fartsniffage]

I'm not all that up on the info.....but didn't she kill someone while driving?

No. Jenner was involved in a traffic accident in which someone died, but prosecutors said there was no real evidence of any criminal wrongdoing, and opted not to press any charges.

So what I said was accurate. Kill doesn't imply blame in the way that murder would.

[Grave_n_idle]

Lol, what next. Alice Walton is a goddess?

Vehicular manslaughter =/= "Inspiration and a rolemodel"

There's no point in responding to that.

Being an inauthentic reckless brat and spending a few million dollars to change your gender doesn't make you an inspiration.

Spending a few million dollars didn't change Caitlyn's gender.

Being born transgender doesn't make you a good person.

No one said it did.

It's a neutral point that no one should pay attention to.

Well, no - not when the particular award refers to transgendered individuals.

That's not to say I'm ignorant of the problems they face, they shouldn't have to face those problems. But they shouldn't receive praise for merely existing.

No one said they should.

Existing is hard for everyone, if you want to give some arbitrary award based off of morals, hard work, and achievement give it to someone because they deserve it. Because giving it out to someone solely because of their celebrity status due to a minority status is bullshit. If anything, it makes transgender people feel worse. No one should want to be put on a pedestal because of their birth circumstances, they just want to be treated like regular people, because they ARE regular people. Caitlyn Jenner gives the wrong impression of transgender rights and makes it all meaningless.

Caitlyn has been open and 'out' as a transgendered individual in a dangerous time to be that, and has inspired other people to feel comfortable about their gender, and to feel a little safer about expressing it.

So, you're wrong. It's exactly the opposite of meaningless.

[The Alexanderians]

I'm not all that up on the info.....but didn't she kill someone while driving?

No. Jenner was involved in a traffic accident in which someone died, but prosecutors said there was no real evidence of any criminal wrongdoing, and opted not to press any charges.

Wouldn't manslaughter apply?

[Grave_n_idle]

No. Jenner was involved in a traffic accident in which someone died, but prosecutors said there was no real evidence of any criminal wrongdoing, and opted not to press any charges.

So what I said was accurate. Kill doesn't imply blame in the way that murder would.

No, what you said wasn't accurate, because being involved in an accident doesn't mean you killed someone.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

So what I said was accurate. Kill doesn't imply blame in the way that murder would.

No, what you said wasn't accurate, because being involved in an accident doesn't mean you killed someone.

Her SUV impacted Howe's car, which killed Howe. Involuntary manslaughter?

[Grave_n_idle]

No. Jenner was involved in a traffic accident in which someone died, but prosecutors said there was no real evidence of any criminal wrongdoing, and opted not to press any charges.

Wouldn't manslaughter apply?

If there was evidence of criminal negligence or recklessness. The prosecutors decided that there was no reason to believe Jenner was driving recklessly or at excessive speed, they decided that not fleeing the scene was evidence she wasn't negligent or reckless, etc.

So, no.

[Grave_n_idle]

No, what you said wasn't accurate, because being involved in an accident doesn't mean you killed someone.

Her SUV impacted Howe's car, which killed Howe. Involuntary manslaughter?

Only if she was guilty of some infraction.

[Fartsniffage]

So what I said was accurate. Kill doesn't imply blame in the way that murder would.

No, what you said wasn't accurate, because being involved in an accident doesn't mean you killed someone.

A person died, they died because a car hit their car. The driver of the car that hit did kill someone. That's how the English language works. People can argue about where the fault lies as long as the want, but it doesn't change the fact that one party killed the other.

[The Alexanderians]

Wouldn't manslaughter apply?

If there was evidence of criminal negligence or recklessness. The prosecutors decided that there was no reason to believe Jenner was driving recklessly or at excessive speed, they decided that not fleeing the scene was evidence she wasn't negligent or reckless, etc.

So, no.

Her car plowed into another and caused the death of the driver. Anyone else would be cuffed and awaiting a manslaughter charge.

[Grave_n_idle]

No, what you said wasn't accurate, because being involved in an accident doesn't mean you killed someone.

A person died, they died because a car hit their car. The driver of the car that hit did kill someone. That's how the English language works. People can argue about where the fault lies as long as the want, but it doesn't change the fact that one party killed the other.

You're being ridiculous. A person died in the collision. That doesn't mean the other person killed them. If Jenner had died also, would you be arguing that they both killed each other?

No, because it would be ridiculous.