God and the World, what do you think? [Does God Exist II]

[Swjistan]

I am sorry but I have said nothing bad about atheism or humanism! I'm not the one jumping down your throats saying,"You'll go to Hell if you don't believe!" I am simply saying that I'll respect your beliefs if you respect my beliefs, so f*ck you for saying that I'm ignorant, just f*ck you.

[Sun Wukong]

Is it pretentious to claim to know about the existence, or lack thereof, of unicorns?

Somehow, they're the exception.

Not really. Manticores, Yog-Sothoth, the World Serpent, they all get the same treatment.

Most people are perfectly able to admit that believing in something magical for which there is no evidence, is all kinds of stupid. They only get all defensive when it comes to their favorite deities.

[Alpine Lands (Ancient)]

Somehow, they're the exception.

Not really. Manticores, Yog-Sothoth, the World Serpent, they all get the same treatment.

Most people are perfectly able to admit that believing in something magical for which there is no evidence, is all kinds of stupid. They only get all defensive when it comes to their favorite deities.

Pardon? Again, I'm not saying that belief is pretentious. That would be idiotic of me. But, to get on a high horse and say "I must be right" is arrogant and reckless. This applies to the militant anti theist crowd and militant theists.

[Sun Wukong]

Not really. Manticores, Yog-Sothoth, the World Serpent, they all get the same treatment.

Most people are perfectly able to admit that believing in something magical for which there is no evidence, is all kinds of stupid. They only get all defensive when it comes to their favorite deities.

Pardon? Again, I'm not saying that belief is pretentious. That would be idiotic of me. But, to get on a high horse and say "I must be right" is arrogant and reckless. This applies to the militant anti theist crowd and militant theists.

Of course, anyone who says "I must be right" is almost certainly unjustified in some degree. Even regarding mundane claims.

Your error is in the equivocation. "militant" antitheists are not the equivalent of their antithesis. The two positions are not equal. One is vastly more reasonable.

Few would challenge me if I said "Manticores do not exist." Even though I can't actually know that. Do that about a god and you get appeal to moderation types calling you "pretentious."

[Alpine Lands (Ancient)]

Pardon? Again, I'm not saying that belief is pretentious. That would be idiotic of me. But, to get on a high horse and say "I must be right" is arrogant and reckless. This applies to the militant anti theist crowd and militant theists.

Of course, anyone who says "I must be right" is almost certainly unjustified in some degree. Even regarding mundane claims.

Your error is in the equivocation. "militant" antitheists are not the equivalent of their antithesis. The two positions are not equal. One is vastly more reasonable.

Few would challenge me if I said "Manticores do not exist." Even though I can't actually know that. Do that about a god and you get appeal to moderation types calling you "pretentious."

That's a fair point, and I'll have to take it into consideration.

[Vilatania]

I am sorry but I have said nothing bad about atheism or humanism! I'm not the one jumping down your throats saying,"You'll go to Hell if you don't believe!" I am simply saying that I'll respect your beliefs if you respect my beliefs, so f*ck you for saying that I'm ignorant, just f*ck you.

And I'm simply stating that I cannot and will not respect your beliefs. You can swear at me all you want, you ARE being ignorant by definition.

[Sun Wukong]

Of course, anyone who says "I must be right" is almost certainly unjustified in some degree. Even regarding mundane claims.

Your error is in the equivocation. "militant" antitheists are not the equivalent of their antithesis. The two positions are not equal. One is vastly more reasonable.

Few would challenge me if I said "Manticores do not exist." Even though I can't actually know that. Do that about a god and you get appeal to moderation types calling you "pretentious."

That's a fair point, and I'll have to take it into consideration.

Mange takk.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Are you calling me pretantious?

It depends. Pretentious might be a strong word, and I may've misworded my post. I'm merely saying that zealotry and fundamentalism is idiotic and pretentious. When someone is smugly saying "I know for a fact that there is a god", then it's right to call them pretentious. If someone says "I have faith in a deity", then that's completely fine.

That's not what I asked.

I think it's pretentious to claim to know about the existence, or lack thereof, of a deity. I'm in no way saying that faith or lack of faith is pretentious, just the zealots on both sides.

Are you calling me pretantious?

I think it's pretentious to claim to know about the existence, or lack thereof, of a deity. I'm in no way saying that faith or lack of faith is pretentious, just the zealots on both sides.

Is it pretentious to claim to know about the existence, or lack thereof, of unicorns?

Ninjas, not unicorns.

Is it pretentious to claim to know about the existence, or lack thereof, of unicorns?

Unicorns are real because my holy book of unicorns says so!

Ninjas.

I am sorry but I have said nothing bad about atheism or humanism! I'm not the one jumping down your throats saying,"You'll go to Hell if you don't believe!" I am simply saying that I'll respect your beliefs if you respect my beliefs, so f*ck you for saying that I'm ignorant, just f*ck you.

We (I) don't respect your beliefs, we (I) tolerate them. That's good enough for George Washington.

[Godular]

It depends. Pretentious might be a strong word, and I may've misworded my post. I'm merely saying that zealotry and fundamentalism is idiotic and pretentious. When someone is smugly saying "I know for a fact that there is a god", then it's right to call them pretentious. If someone says "I have faith in a deity", then that's completely fine.

That's not what I asked.

Are you calling me pretantious?

Is it pretentious to claim to know about the existence, or lack thereof, of unicorns?

Ninjas, not unicorns.

Unicorns are real because my holy book of unicorns says so!

Ninjas.

I am sorry but I have said nothing bad about atheism or humanism! I'm not the one jumping down your throats saying,"You'll go to Hell if you don't believe!" I am simply saying that I'll respect your beliefs if you respect my beliefs, so f*ck you for saying that I'm ignorant, just f*ck you.

We (I) don't respect your beliefs, we (I) tolerate them. That's good enough for George Washington.

NINJA. UNICORNS. Yeesh!

[The Rich Port]

I am sorry but I have said nothing bad about atheism or humanism! I'm not the one jumping down your throats saying,"You'll go to Hell if you don't believe!" I am simply saying that I'll respect your beliefs if you respect my beliefs, so f*ck you for saying that I'm ignorant, just f*ck you.

I don't understand why you're taking this personally.

We respect you just fine... Well, a little less now, but still.

It's your beliefs we don't respect.

[The Foxes Swamp]

the universe is forever their was no beginning their is no end and the universe is sentient but thats just idea in my head at the moment.

the words of the quotes are still mine someone just said it before me and i dont take credit where its not due

Well that's just silly. When know the age of the universe, and it's increasingly obvious that it is going to end.

100% you know?

[Godular]

Well that's just silly. When know the age of the universe, and it's increasingly obvious that it is going to end.

100% you know?

We've got a pretty good idea, and it has evidence to back it up.

Compared to religion, it might as well be 100%

[Prezelly]

100% you know?

We've got a pretty good idea, and it has evidence to back it up.

Compared to religion, it might as well be 100%

You can't say that it might as well be certain when it isn't certain.

[The Rich Port]

We've got a pretty good idea, and it has evidence to back it up.

Compared to religion, it might as well be 100%

You can't say that it might as well be certain when it isn't certain.

Keywords being "might as well be."

Not saying it IS certain.

[Godular]

We've got a pretty good idea, and it has evidence to back it up.

Compared to religion, it might as well be 100%

You can't say that it might as well be certain when it isn't certain.

What part of 'Compared to religion' failed to compute?

[Prezelly]

You can't say that it might as well be certain when it isn't certain.

What part of 'Compared to religion' failed to compute?

Doesn't matter if you compare it to religion. It still isn't certain, no matter what you compare it to

[Vilatania]

What part of 'Compared to religion' failed to compute?

Doesn't matter if you compare it to religion. It still isn't certain, no matter what you compare it to

He wasn't saying that it was.

[Godular]

What part of 'Compared to religion' failed to compute?

Doesn't matter if you compare it to religion. It still isn't certain, no matter what you compare it to

As the rich port said, 'might as well be.'

Considering it has more evidence behind it at all, which is a damn sight better than what religion can put forward, degree of certainty is fundamentally irrelevant. You yammering about 'nothing is certain' fails to address that religion is even less so, and does not counter my argument

[Sun Wukong]

Well that's just silly. When know the age of the universe, and it's increasingly obvious that it is going to end.

100% you know?

+/- 0.037 billion years. Yes.

And entropy always wins in the end. Heat death is inevitable.

[Fralinia]

What part of 'Compared to religion' failed to compute?

Doesn't matter if you compare it to religion. It still isn't certain, no matter what you compare it to

the point
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your head

That isn't what he's saying. He isn't saying it's one hundred percent. He said it was extremely likely and that we have evidence to back it up, as compared to religion, which does not. The phrase "might as well be", as used in modern American English, insinuates that it is in fact not that thing but for all intents and purposes can be considered as such. Either you completely missed that or you ignored it. Stop being nitpicky about literally one sentence.

[The Foxes Swamp]

So, it unreasonable to assume that God does exist, but not that God does not/

That's flawed logic.

Is it unreasonable to assume that unicorns do not exist?

as far as i know they don't exist here at the moment but the myth of the unicorn it exists so possibly their was some unicorn type creature at some time in the past.

[Fralinia]

Is it unreasonable to assume that unicorns do not exist?

as far as i know they don't exist here at the moment but the myth of the unicorn it exists so possibly their was some unicorn type creature at some time in the past.

But would you live your life operating on the assumption that [ninja] unicorns exist based on the mere possibility that they do?

[Godular]

as far as i know they don't exist here at the moment but the myth of the unicorn it exists so possibly their was some unicorn type creature at some time in the past.

But would you live your life operating on the assumption that [ninja] unicorns exist based on the mere possibility that they do?

NIN-- oh. Thank you.

[The Foxes Swamp]

100% you know?

We've got a pretty good idea, and it has evidence to back it up.

Compared to religion, it might as well be 100%

so is the universe what we perceive as humans or could it possibly be more than what we perceive

[Neutraligon]

We've got a pretty good idea, and it has evidence to back it up.

Compared to religion, it might as well be 100%

so is the universe what we perceive as humans or could it possibly be more than what we perceive

Define perceive.