Pakistani Christians Burned Alive By Muslims

[Anglo-California]

Hmm...

Well.

Hmph.

[Aryavartha]

Explain all those death then?

what deaths?

you mean news releases like

"militant area bombed - 23 militants killed "

no independent verification is done because reporters were not allowed.

heck, there are no independent reporters in pakistan as they tend to get intimidated or die if they defy.

do you even know of people like Saleem Shahzad ???

here, i got some time to kill...so let me do some spoonfeeding

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saleem_Shahzad
He was found dead in a canal in North-east Pakistan, showing signs of torture, a day after he was kidnapped.

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and how is that the army KNOWS exactly 23 people killed. NOT 22, NOT 24, but 23. they lob a bomb and just know 23 died.

and we are supposed to think that the brave pakistani army is valiantly fighting the terrorists and killed 23 of them. fuckin bullshit is what it is.

Also Pakistan is not allied with the Taliban and such...we want to get rid of them.

good god...

1. there is not one taliban. the taliban splintered long ago with several groups declaring allegiance to several splinters. new groups are formed all the time and groups change allegiance too.

the punjabi taliban attacked the state and the army and is now turned pro sarkari. that is the reason why you don't have suicide bombings in cantonments and messes and checkpoints as it used to happen a few years ago.

the afghan taliban and affiliated groups like haqqani network etc are firmly under the control of ISI. you must be nuts to think that pakistan wants to get rid of them.

these are your only cards in the play. without these you are out of the game. there would be no reason for US to pump billions into your country and keep it afloat.

2. exactly WHO is this we?

you are at best a citizen of pakistan or at worst an expat or of pak heritage. it is delusional to think that the pak civilian govt or the army is representative of you. they don't.

the army does what is best for its objectives, people's interests are incidental. civilian govt has no control over army, so the little representation you have in the form of the civilian govt matter nothing when it comes to what the army does.

again, if you are going to spout the army line, i have no time to waste with you..

wasted enough already..

[Patistan]

Explain all those death then?

what deaths?

you mean news releases like

"militant area bombed - 23 militants killed "

no independent verification is done because reporters were not allowed.

heck, there are no independent reporters in pakistan as they tend to get intimidated or die if they defy.

do you even know of people like Saleem Shahzad ???

here, i got some time to kill...so let me do some spoonfeeding

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saleem_Shahzad
He was found dead in a canal in North-east Pakistan, showing signs of torture, a day after he was kidnapped.

--

and how is that the army KNOWS exactly 23 people killed. NOT 22, NOT 24, but 23. they lob a bomb and just know 23 died.

and we are supposed to think that the brave pakistani army is valiantly fighting the terrorists and killed 23 of them. fuckin bullshit is what it is.

Also Pakistan is not allied with the Taliban and such...we want to get rid of them.

good god...

1. there is not one taliban. the taliban splintered long ago with several groups declaring allegiance to several splinters. new groups are formed all the time and groups change allegiance too.

the punjabi taliban attacked the state and the army and is now turned pro sarkari. that is the reason why you don't have suicide bombings in cantonments and messes and checkpoints as it used to happen a few years ago.

the afghan taliban and affiliated groups like haqqani network etc are firmly under the control of ISI. you must be nuts to think that pakistan wants to get rid of them.

these are your only cards in the play. without these you are out of the game. there would be no reason for US to pump billions into your country and keep it afloat.

2. exactly WHO is this we?

you are at best a citizen of pakistan or at worst an expat or of pak heritage. it is delusional to think that the pak civilian govt or the army is representative of you. they don't.

the army does what is best for its objectives, people's interests are incidental. civilian govt has no control over army, so the little representation you have in the form of the civilian govt matter nothing when it comes to what the army does.

again, if you are going to spout the army line, i have no time to waste with you..

wasted enough already..

Okay then by that way every news in the whole world can be deemed as fake.

Well i am currently talking about the Pakistani Taliban, the one's who make there strong point in the KPK, also how do you know they are in control of ISI?

[Tel]

Time for another "Religion bad!" thread, eh?

So it seems.

So edgy and radical. They're really shaking up our system, man!

As for Christians being burned alive, well, I try to be forgiving, I really do...

...I find myself strangely unsurprised that it's Pakistan we're talking about.

(Mutters something passive-aggressive about barbarians)

[Herskerstad]

Out of context misunderstanding. Jesus being killed was a part of the Lords plan. It does not say people should go to hell even when they could be saved because of reluctance to fight Holy wars.

News flash: the holy wars wa used to manipulate people into fighting the kings enemies. Far from being holy. They didn't give a rats ass about anything devine in the slightest. I never want a total repeat of that bloodshed ever again.

That is an oversimplification and I think you know it. Take the crusades for example, it had both strategic importance seeing how prior to such, Islam had been crusing into western Europe and edging ever closer to the what was really the center of the world, a fact none of the major figures in the Christian parts of Europe was content with, Constantinople, at that point. Pope Urban II did not intend his message to get more than a few hundred professional knights, not the beginnings of an army. Many of the primary original crusaders was what you could consider non-firstborn which had a huge impact on their status, as the firstborns generally became kings in kingdoms and second-born sons generally became dukes and the like, whereas a military expedition, despite the spiritual rewards preached by Urban, would still yield large monetary gains upon success and the chance of extending their power and prestige. For the lower classes it was mostly about the idea of salvation and martyrdom. Generally speaking only the more 'stable' kingdoms had important figures in crusading expeditions and it was even used in cases to settle disputes that could lead to feudal wars. Seeing how it destabilized the Muslim world, and parts of the crusading expeditions even aided greatly in overthrowing the Moorish hold on Iberia, while at the same time for the east ensuring fewer Jihads against the Byzantine Empire which had eaten up a huge portion of it. There was very little, from a military, political and economical standpoint, in the way for their expeditions, and for that was largely the reason they occured.

[Jawyhria]

I need evidence to believe the Muslism who [supposedly] did this did it out of pure hatred.

[Olerand]

Your the guy who gets all his news from international media..

The Taliban do not control the region right now...we have something like 2000-4000 Pakistani Taliban and killing more then a thousand of them is a lot.

Of course, I don't speak Urdu so I have no other choice. What's wrong with the international media anyway? Unless you are suggesting there is a global anti-Pakistan conspiracy going on. Obviously, one does not get all the details from the international media, but to be frank, I would trust the international media more than the local media of the region.

Wikipedia lists the Taliban in Pakistan as having 25,000 members, as per the BBC, who quoted an intelligence official.

So, not "2000-4000" but 25,000. Excuse me if I don't applaud the Pakistani government abandoning the tribal region to these savages.

[Patistan]

Your the guy who gets all his news from international media..

The Taliban do not control the region right now...we have something like 2000-4000 Pakistani Taliban and killing more then a thousand of them is a lot.

Of course, I don't speak Urdu so I have no other choice. What's wrong with the international media anyway? Unless you are suggesting there is a global anti-Pakistan conspiracy going on. Obviously, one does not get all the details from the international media, but to be frank, I would trust the international media more than the local media of the region.

Wikipedia lists the Taliban in Pakistan as having 25,000 members, as per the BBC, who quoted an intelligence official.

So, not "2000-4000" but 25,000. Excuse me if I don't applaud the Pakistani government abandoning the tribal region to these savages.

International News channels do clearly show Pakistan in a bad way, also they are many Pakistani online news papers in English like the Express tribune and Dawn.

Also if you had paid attention to my last posts which cited Operation Zarb-e-Azb you would have known that I was talking about the Taliban which are situated in the tribal regions which number up to 2000-4000.

Also we did not abandon the regions.

[Olerand]

International News channels do clearly show Pakistan in a bad way, also they are many Pakistani online news papers in English like the Express tribune and Dawn.

Also if you had paid attention to my last posts which cited Operation Zarb-e-Azb you would have known that I was talking about the Taliban which are situated in the tribal regions which number up to 2000-4000.

Also we did not abandon the regions.

And perhaps they do so, not because of some international conspiracy, but because what is going on in Pakistan today is simply bad? Maybe?

They haven't? Well, that's news. Someone should tell the women of the region. Who is that little girl that the Taliban shot in the face? Someone should tell her that the organization that threatened, and got much of the girls' schools shut down, actually isn't in control.

Poor thing. She has absolutely nothing to fear, huh?

[Anglo-California]

Are we even surprised anymore when shit like this happens in that part of the world?

[Patistan]

International News channels do clearly show Pakistan in a bad way, also they are many Pakistani online news papers in English like the Express tribune and Dawn.

Also if you had paid attention to my last posts which cited Operation Zarb-e-Azb you would have known that I was talking about the Taliban which are situated in the tribal regions which number up to 2000-4000.

Also we did not abandon the regions.

And perhaps they do so, not because of some international conspiracy, but because what is going on in Pakistan today is simply bad? Maybe?

They haven't? Well, that's news. Someone should tell the women of the region. Who is that little girl that the Taliban shot in the face? Someone should tell her that the organization that threatened, and got much of the girls' schools shut down, actually isn't in control.

Poor thing. She has absolutely nothing to fear, huh?

Not everything that happens in Pakistan is bad.

The girl your talking about is Malala Yousufzai, she got shot in the swat region which has now been cleansed of the Taliban.

Now she dosent

[Al Nahar]

I need evidence to believe the Muslism who [supposedly] did this did it out of pure hatred.

Evidence? The khalifah that waves the flag on your avatar is part of the ideological movement that spreads the hatred and indoctrination that causes these types of murders.

[Des-Bal]

I need evidence to believe the Muslism who [supposedly] did this did it out of pure hatred.

Arbitrary skepticism ranks up there with "but the crusades" as defenses of Islam not grounded in logic.

[Olerand]

Not everything that happens in Pakistan is bad.

The girl your talking about is Malala Yousufzai, she got shot in the swat region which has now been cleansed of the Taliban.

Now she dosent

Who said everything in Pakistan is bad?

I know who she is. It has? Here is an article, posted today, from a Pakistani source:
Dire descent: MPAs raise concerns of Swat slipping back into militancy

I quote:

During the assembly session, members voiced their concerns over the killing of tribal elders and political workers in Swat district.

The issue was raised on a point of order by Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) parliamentary leader Syed Mohammad Ali Shah Bacha. The parliamentary leader raised concerns over the murder of Faisal Hayat Chattan, PPP’s general secretary in Swat, on Wednesday.

Shah condemned Chattan’s murder and pressed the provincial government to pay attention to the situation in Swat. According to the parliamentary leader, while Swat has previously been termed a model of peace, not a single week goes by without political leaders and jirga elders becoming victims of target killing.

It is obviously not safe for Malala to go back. In fact, during my search, I found an article from The Telegraph(I know, foreign media are so unfair to Pakistan) that said that the people of her region actually didn't want her to win the Nobel Prize. Both from fear of retaliatory attacks by the Taliban, and because they simply did not support her cause, which is education for girls...So...

[Patistan]

Not everything that happens in Pakistan is bad.

The girl your talking about is Malala Yousufzai, she got shot in the swat region which has now been cleansed of the Taliban.

Now she dosent

Who said everything in Pakistan is bad?

I know who she is. It has? Here is an article, posted today, from a Pakistani source:
Dire descent: MPAs raise concerns of Swat slipping back into militancy

I quote:

During the assembly session, members voiced their concerns over the killing of tribal elders and political workers in Swat district.

The issue was raised on a point of order by Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) parliamentary leader Syed Mohammad Ali Shah Bacha. The parliamentary leader raised concerns over the murder of Faisal Hayat Chattan, PPP’s general secretary in Swat, on Wednesday.

Shah condemned Chattan’s murder and pressed the provincial government to pay attention to the situation in Swat. According to the parliamentary leader, while Swat has previously been termed a model of peace, not a single week goes by without political leaders and jirga elders becoming victims of target killing.

It is obviously not safe for Malala to go back. In fact, during my search, I found an article from The Telegraph(I know, foreign media are so unfair to Pakistan) that said that the people of her region actually didn't want her to win the Nobel Prize. Both from fear of retaliatory attacks by the Taliban, and because they simply did not support her cause, which is education for girls...So...

Read your own source...the provincial assembley has said that and more then half of the time the provincial assembley has false information also they are not responsible for actions of the millitary as the central government is.

Also do you really think that Taliban have resorted to target killing? Also they claim everything they do.

Also I myself opposed Malala of getting the peace prize but not for the reason you think, most Pakistanis wanted the award to go to Edhi. Also a lot of people thought that she didn't do enough to get it compared to Edhi

[Olerand]

Read your own source...the provincial assembley has said that and more then half of the time the provincial assembley has false information also they are not responsible for actions of the millitary as the central government is.

Also do you really think that Taliban have resorted to target killing? Also they claim everything they do.

Also I myself opposed Malala of getting the peace prize but not for the reason you think, most Pakistanis wanted the award to go to Edhi. Also a lot of people thought that she didn't do enough to get it compared to Edhi

I read the source. In its entirety, which is how I got the quotes. Nowhere is it mentioned that the assembly has "false information and are not responsible for the military as the central government is".

I'm sure the military is under the control of the central government, but that has nothing to do with my argument. The Swat region is still dangerous and lawless.

Yes. Who else? The Colombian drug cartel?

Fascinating. Here is the article from The Telegraph, it does not mention this Edhi individual, but regardless.

Malala did not deserve Nobel Peace Prize, say residents of her Swat Valley home

[Boomhaueristan]

I need evidence to believe the Muslism who [supposedly] did this did it out of pure hatred.

No, obviously it was done in self defense right?

Just like the old school KKK, hanging blacks because why the hell not?

You have to really hate someone to burn them alive.

Sorry Chief, they were just following the orders of the mighty and oh so very MERCIFUL Allah.

[Southern Arkansas]

Did the Christians burn the Qur'an and then were attacked by a mob? Sad stuff.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Time for a Crusade. Deus Vult!

Cute.

[Patistan]

Read your own source...the provincial assembley has said that and more then half of the time the provincial assembley has false information also they are not responsible for actions of the millitary as the central government is.

Also do you really think that Taliban have resorted to target killing? Also they claim everything they do.

Also I myself opposed Malala of getting the peace prize but not for the reason you think, most Pakistanis wanted the award to go to Edhi. Also a lot of people thought that she didn't do enough to get it compared to Edhi

I read the source. In its entirety, which is how I got the quotes. Nowhere is it mentioned that the assembly has "false information and are not responsible for the military as the central government is".

I'm sure the military is under the control of the central government, but that has nothing to do with my argument. The Swat region is still dangerous and lawless.

Yes. Who else? The Colombian drug cartel?

Fascinating. Here is the article from The Telegraph, it does not mention this Edhi individual, but regardless.

Malala did not deserve Nobel Peace Prize, say residents of her Swat Valley home

If you would frequently research on Pakistan you would find out that the provincial assembley is unreliable

Again I said that the Taliban claim there attacks and they have not claimed these target killing hence it was not done by them.

Also that article might not say the stuff about Edhi but I can show you countless ones...

Also I do recognise that some people didn't want Malala to get the prize because she supports femal education, I do find those people as idiots.

[Aryavartha]

Okay then by that way every news in the whole world can be deemed as fake.

no. you read many articles and filter them and distill them with cross references etc and you may be closer to facts that reading what ISI puts out through its outlets. which is all you do, judging from your opinions and questions.

evidence below

Well i am currently talking about the Pakistani Taliban, the one's who make there strong point in the KPK, also how do you know they are in control of ISI?

the pakistani taliban is not attacking army anymore. that means, they are now aligned.

read news from the times of baitullah mehsud, and after his death when hakimullah mehsud took over, when there would be weekly suicide attacks on army.

now fazlullah is nominal head, but TTP has splintered into many groups. many of these groups have given up on attacking the state.

the only threat now is groups wanting to ally with ISIS, and loss of cadre from sarkari controlled groups to these new groups that are not in control.

[Patistan]

Okay then by that way every news in the whole world can be deemed as fake.

no. you read many articles and filter them and distill them with cross references etc and you may be closer to facts that reading what ISI puts out through its outlets. which is all you do, judging from your opinions and questions.

evidence below

Well i am currently talking about the Pakistani Taliban, the one's who make there strong point in the KPK, also how do you know they are in control of ISI?

the pakistani taliban is not attacking army anymore. that means, they are now aligned.

read news from the times of baitullah mehsud, and after his death when hakimullah mehsud took over, when there would be weekly suicide attacks on army.

now fazlullah is nominal head, but TTP has splintered into many groups. many of these groups have given up on attacking the state.

the only threat now is groups wanting to ally with ISIS, and loss of cadre from sarkari controlled groups to these new groups that are not in control.

Just so if you are not attacking anymore that in no way means that your aligned with them.

Well then Operation Zaeb-e-Azb is against those splinter groups

[Cyllea]

Yes, a weak power with a few nuclear bombs.

Jesus fucking christ, you want to throw the region into a Nuclear war, dont you? Kill a Billion people? what does it matter? they are just Muslims! god and his divine ways will scrub away the radiation and the ruined cities!

Don't ever say the word fucking between the words Jesus and Christ, that is terrible.

Billions of deaths is worth a Christian world, death is not bad if it's for a righteous cause.

You're literally insane if you believe that.

[Provaskola]

Yes, a weak power with a few nuclear bombs.

Jesus fucking christ, you want to throw the region into a Nuclear war, dont you? Kill a Billion people? what does it matter? they are just Muslims! god and his divine ways will scrub away the radiation and the ruined cities!

Don't ever say the word fucking between the words Jesus and Christ, that is terrible.

Billions of deaths is worth a Christian world, death is not bad if it's for a righteous cause.

Killing someone is bad wether or not it's for a righteous cause. Plus, I'm pretty sure killing is considered a sin in the bible.

[Southern Arkansas]

Don't ever say the word fucking between the words Jesus and Christ, that is terrible.

Billions of deaths is worth a Christian world, death is not bad if it's for a righteous cause.

Killing someone is bad wether or not it's for a righteous cause. Plus, I'm pretty sure killing is considered a sin in the bible.

Lots of killing in the Bible. I think Murder is the big sin.