Asda faces mass legal action over equal pay for women

[Nadkor]

The point was that women are vastly more likely than men to be subject to sexual harassment, I would imagine even more so in India than here if anything he has said is even remotely accurate, so a man saying "oh, but I haven't seen it so it probably doesn't exist" really does not count for much.

It's almost like you think that the different experiences lived by men and women account for nothing.

I live in Ireland. It is highly unlikely that I will ever come across a wild snake. Yet I'm more than willing to accept that I would be a fool to say that this means that such a thing does not exist.

See also: US Senator Ron Johnson.

You're still assuming that he can't see it because he's a man, not because he's just an individual who's blind to it.

No. I'm saying that, as a man, it's not a huge shock that he's never seen it. Not that no men ever experience it, or that no men ever notice it, or that all or any men are incapable of seeing it.

Just that it's not a surprise that a man hasn't seen it.

By doing that, you're suggesting that men inherently can't see sexual harassment right in front of their own faces.
Even if I'm less likely to experience it, it doesn't mean that I can't see it when it happens, or can't accept that it does happen.

Condunum - the "not all men" thing? This is it in action. Enjoy.

Incidentally, living in Northern Ireland, I have actually seen a wild snake.

Northern Ireland? What school did you go to? I'd recommend asking for a do-over.

[Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms]

Northern Ireland? What school did you go to? I'd recommend asking for a do-over.

Very close to bait, but I'll leave it on the grounds that you missed the bit where I updated my post saying that it was probably a slow worm instead.

[Nadkor]

There wasn't a point in that - you've never seen MRAs running around going "but not all men" whenever anybody makes a statement about how men x, or how some men y? I was taking the piss.

There was, however, a point in my post about him not noticing sexual harassment. He is a man, and therefore significantly less likely than women to ever experience sexual harassment. It is hardly a massive surprise that he isn't overly aware of it happening.

He isn't overly aware of it happening because our society deliberately ignores sexual harassment in the workplace because it's either a) too much of a hassle or b) sexism. It's not like harassment in the workplace being ignored is a specifically gendered issue, but that massive problem is for another thread.

No, it's that harassment happening in the workplace, whether it's ignored or not, is a highly gendered issue.

And he is of the gender that is substantially less likely to have any experience of it.

It is, therefore, unsurprising that he is not aware of it.

Is the entire point.

[Manisdog]

you have to pay for so many things

Do you know why you do? Because your workers can't afford it otherwise, because the wages most people are paid are inadequate to raise children.

They should manage in the wages they are given

[Eleanor Ritas]

Do you know why you do? Because your workers can't afford it otherwise, because the wages most people are paid are inadequate to raise children.

They should manage in the wages they are given

I call satire. This is somebody's "spoiled kid" Louis XVII kid thing. It's a character.

I call it. Unshroud yourself, satirist.

[Manisdog]

They should manage in the wages they are given

I call satire. This is somebody's "spoiled kid" Louis XVII kid thing. It's a character.

I call it. Unshroud yourself, satirist.

Honestly I am not spoiled I work more even on sundays, and holidays. I work everyday just now i have taken a holiday after 4 years because of some medical issues that i am not going to into to .

Secondly it is not a job of a business organization to provide services for free, I think you misunderstand the concept of business with charity

[Empire of Vlissingen]

The income gap is a lie.

[Nadkor]

The income gap is a lie.

Right, but you see in the real world where grown-ups live it's actually...not.

[Des-Bal]

The issue shouldn't be whether or not the work is the same but whether the motive was to pay women less. It's possible for there to be legitimate reasons to pay different wages that have nothing to do with the most common gender of the people involved.

[Empire of Vlissingen]

The income gap is a lie.

Right, but you see in the real world where grown-ups live it's actually...not.

Don't start to insult me.

Women earn less than men because of their choices in jobs and work hours.

[Free Tristania]

Different work, different pay. And if they aren't happy they can always walk to the labour exchange down the road.

[Haktiva]

Oh boy, here we go again. This is pretty common, as I don't think the majority of Western women know what equality really is. Women as a group earn less then men as a group? Well yeah, men typically work longer and at harder jobs, while women typically work part time and work in more cushy jobs.

They go looking for problems where there aren't any. It's quite ridiculous, but such is the way of life in the 1st world. Honestly if women wanted to earn the same as men, they could start working while their husbands stayed at home and looked after the kids. Or they could just not have kids, as single women typically earn more than married men, or rather they're allowed to keep more of their money. They could also start working in construction more and such, or start their own companies and businesses that can compete in the marketplace, but they very rarely do. To the credit of ones who grow up knowing the value of hard work, they must be becoming a dying breed of sorts, or perhaps they're coming back, as they're the ones you typically see working on small farms which here in the US are becoming more popular according to the market, but hated by the government since they don't exactly live up to Big Agra standards.

It's never been required of women to be men's equals in terms of responsibility and ability. I would very much like to see that future, but I imagine technology would have to advance more for women to be able to counter sexual dimorphism, plus there would need to be a shift in cultural values, and possibly a little human evolution in consciousness.

[Condunum]

You're still assuming that he can't see it because he's a man, not because he's just an individual who's blind to it.

No. I'm saying that, as a man, it's not a huge shock that he's never seen it. Not that no men ever experience it, or that no men ever notice it, or that all or any men are incapable of seeing it.

Just that it's not a surprise that a man hasn't seen it.

By doing that, you're suggesting that men inherently can't see sexual harassment right in front of their own faces.
Even if I'm less likely to experience it, it doesn't mean that I can't see it when it happens, or can't accept that it does happen.

Condunum - the "not all men" thing? This is it in action. Enjoy.

This does not validate the false generalization.

He isn't overly aware of it happening because our society deliberately ignores sexual harassment in the workplace because it's either a) too much of a hassle or b) sexism. It's not like harassment in the workplace being ignored is a specifically gendered issue, but that massive problem is for another thread.

No, it's that harassment happening in the workplace, whether it's ignored or not, is a highly gendered issue.

And he is of the gender that is substantially less likely to have any experience of it.

It is, therefore, unsurprising that he is not aware of it.

Is the entire point.

I think you fail to grasp just how huge an issue workplace harassment is. It's not that men are harassed less, it's that harassment of male workers isn't sexual, it's violent.

[Condunum]

Do you know why you do? Because your workers can't afford it otherwise, because the wages most people are paid are inadequate to raise children.

They should manage in the wages they are given

lmao they cant because people like you pay slave wages

And I don't dare ask how horrific the wage gap is in India. How much do women make on the dollar there? 30 cents? 10?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Right, but you see in the real world where grown-ups live it's actually...not.

Don't start to insult me.

Women earn less than men because of their choices in jobs and work hours.

Not really. It is a known issue that women earn less than men in similar positions and professions.

[Des-Bal]

Not really. It is a known issue that women earn less than men in similar positions and professions.

It's a substantially overstated issue. When you account for different working habits there's about a 7% discrepancy some of which may be discriminatory.

[Occupied Deutschland]

As someone who's had relatives work in both such kinds of positions, warehouse work is a shit-ton different, more difficult and more dangerous than retail floor work.

Perhaps this is a case of the similarity varying by company. So don't laugh them out of court I suppose. Though if such turns out to be true as I have a sneaking suspicion it is, then laugh them out of court.

[Des-Bal]

As someone who's had relatives work in both such kinds of positions, warehouse work is a shit-ton different, more difficult and more dangerous than retail floor work.

Perhaps this is a case of the similarity varying by company. So don't laugh them out of court I suppose. Though if such turns out to be true as I have a sneaking suspicion it is, then laugh them out of court.

I think looking at it from that angle is a little too simplistic, it supposes that the central question is whether or not the work is equal rather than whether or not the pay disparity is the result of discrimination. I'd prefer a retail position to a warehouse job even if it's objectively no easier I'd find the position more attractive and it would be significantly easier to get me to apply for a retail job than a warehouse job. There are all sorts of reasons that two jobs with similar workloads would pay differently.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

On the topic, I think retail workers in ASDA should have their wages raised.

It's logical and practical if the stores are making a lot of profit to sustain the cost so that the employees can have more purchase power.

[Manisdog]

They should manage in the wages they are given

lmao they cant because people like you pay slave wages

And I don't dare ask how horrific the wage gap is in India. How much do women make on the dollar there? 30 cents? 10?

You could eat one meal in 40 cents ( 30 rs), a family can eat food even ( 1 person only)

An unskilled worker ( Sweeper, peons and clerks: lowest paid ) at my firm earns 12,000 around 200 dollars a month

[Condunum]

lmao they cant because people like you pay slave wages

And I don't dare ask how horrific the wage gap is in India. How much do women make on the dollar there? 30 cents? 10?

You could eat one meal in 50 cents ( 30 rs)

Yeah, perhaps. But because women make a fraction of the money men make in a lot of countries, they don't have the 50 cents to begin with.

[Manisdog]

You could eat one meal in 50 cents ( 30 rs)

Yeah, perhaps. But because women make a fraction of the money men make in a lot of countries, they don't have the 50 cents to begin with.

Minimum wage is 9400 Rs

[Manisdog]

On the topic, I think retail workers in ASDA should have their wages raised.

It's logical and practical if the stores are making a lot of profit to sustain the cost so that the employees can have more purchase power.

No if they raise wages they wont make as much of profit

[Fartsniffage]

On the topic, I think retail workers in ASDA should have their wages raised.

It's logical and practical if the stores are making a lot of profit to sustain the cost so that the employees can have more purchase power.

No if they raise wages they wont make as much of profit

More profit isn't always the aim. I worked for a company, that shall remain nameless, whose profit announcement always got them raked over the coals in the British press. One year they gave every member of staff a not insubstantial random bonus to bring their profit level down because the extra money was not worth the bad publicity.

[Manisdog]

No if they raise wages they wont make as much of profit

More profit isn't always the aim. I worked for a company, that shall remain nameless, whose profit announcement always got them raked over the coals in the British press. One year they gave every member of staff a not insubstantial random bonus to bring their profit level down because the extra money was not worth the bad publicity.

Well they should have given dividends/bonus shares to shareholders instead, what a waste of money