LGBT Rights & Issues Thread

[Fascist Russian Empire]

IIR not all of them owned slaves and the issue with taxes was that they lacked proper representation and that the taxes of the time were too high, not taxes in of themselves.

"Waaaah! Taxes are too high! If you don't lower taxes, I'm going to throw a revolution!"

Yeah, very admirable people, they were. Oh, wait, criminals are bad people, that's right...

Either way, worshiping the "Founding fathers" is stupid. Their opinions mean absolutely fuck-all; they were traitors and tax evaders, and they should be condemned, not glorified.

[Wisconsin9]

Marriage is a right, so hence, SSM is too.

Not exactly true. The European Court of Human Rights has addressed this.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which is binding international law, considers it a right, or at least it seems that way to me.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

IIR not all of them owned slaves and the issue with taxes was that they lacked proper representation and that the taxes of the time were too high, not taxes in of themselves.

"Waaaah! Taxes are too high! If you don't lower taxes, I'm going to throw a revolution!"

Yeah, very admirable people, they were. Oh, wait, criminals are bad people, that's right...

Either way, worshiping the "Founding fathers" is stupid. Their opinions mean absolutely fuck-all; they were traitors and tax evaders, and they should be condemned, not glorified.

I don't agree whatsoever about them being bad, but you are right, they shouldn't be worshiped, their fallible men who as as flawed as any other worshiping men in any sorta way is just silly.

[Oneracon]

Not exactly true. The European Court of Human Rights has addressed this.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which is binding international law, considers it a right, or at least it seems that way to me.

The UDHR is not binding, I believe you are confusing it with the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

The ICCPR does still state that "The right of men and women of marriageable age to marry and to found a family shall be recognized." (Article 23) and "Each State Party to the present Covenant undertakes to respect and to ensure to all individuals within its territory and subject to its jurisdiction the rights recognized in the present Covenant, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status." (Article 2)

[Wisconsin9]

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wisconsin-gay-marriage-ban-struck-down-n124831

A federal judge struck down Wisconsin's ban on same-sex marriage on Friday, ruling it unconstitutional.

I'm whooping and laughing and yelling hurtful things at state Republicans. All in my head, of course.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which is binding international law, considers it a right, or at least it seems that way to me.

The UDHR is not binding, I believe you are confusing it with the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

The ICCPR does still state that "The right of men and women of marriageable age to marry and to found a family shall be recognized." (Article 23) and "Each State Party to the present Covenant undertakes to respect and to ensure to all individuals within its territory and subject to its jurisdiction the rights recognized in the present Covenant, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status." (Article 2)

Ah. My bad.

[Mons Garle]

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wisconsin-gay-marriage-ban-struck-down-n124831

A federal judge struck down Wisconsin's ban on same-sex marriage on Friday, ruling it unconstitutional.

I'm whooping and laughing and yelling hurtful things at state Republicans. All in my head, of course.

Always nice to hear good news on the equality front over the pond

[Grenartia]

Yay! It's done!

Cast your bets on when we'll get a response!

I call sometime in May, probably the 22nd.

Well fuck.

When the hell are we getting a response to it?

[Chedastan]

Cast your bets on when we'll get a response!

I call sometime in May, probably the 22nd.

Well fuck.

When the hell are we getting a response to it?

Eventually, I mean they have to respond to it since it reached the amount of signatures needed.

[Grenartia]

Well fuck.

When the hell are we getting a response to it?

Eventually, I mean they have to respond to it since it reached the amount of signatures needed.

Yeah, but there's no guarantee of when they will.

I mean, ffs, it could be 2 years. Maybe we need to start a petition to for an immediate response, or at least an acknowledgement of it, along with a timetable for a response.

[The Remnants of Kobol]

You should see what I roll to determine my gender identity.

They don't make a dice with enough sides for what I roll for mine.

I've seen a D100 before...

[Chedastan]

Eventually, I mean they have to respond to it since it reached the amount of signatures needed.

Yeah, but there's no guarantee of when they will.

I mean, ffs, it could be 2 years. Maybe we need to start a petition to for an immediate response, or at least an acknowledgement of it, along with a timetable for a response.

The two latters seem like they could reasonably work. Don't know how the former would work. I mean have there been petitions that had have follow up petitions for that petition to be given a response?

[Grenartia]

Yeah, but there's no guarantee of when they will.

I mean, ffs, it could be 2 years. Maybe we need to start a petition to for an immediate response, or at least an acknowledgement of it, along with a timetable for a response.

The two latters seem like they could reasonably work. Don't know how the former would work. I mean have there been petitions that had have follow up petitions for that petition to be given a response?

I don't know.

[The Emerald Dragon]

IIR not all of them owned slaves and the issue with taxes was that they lacked proper representation and that the taxes of the time were too high, not taxes in of themselves.

"Waaaah! Taxes are too high! If you don't lower taxes, I'm going to throw a revolution!"

Yeah, very admirable people, they were. Oh, wait, criminals are bad people, that's right...

Either way, worshiping the "Founding fathers" is stupid. Their opinions mean absolutely fuck-all; they were traitors and tax evaders, and they should be condemned, not glorified.

Basically.

'People in Liverpool don't get a vote and they pay four times as much in tax, plus we defended your cities in the French and Indian Wars"

"Waaah, 'murican priviledge trumps all"

"no"

*Starts revolution*

Admittedly, the revolution is a lot more complicated, but these are some of the basics.

[Grenartia]

"Waaaah! Taxes are too high! If you don't lower taxes, I'm going to throw a revolution!"

Yeah, very admirable people, they were. Oh, wait, criminals are bad people, that's right...

Either way, worshiping the "Founding fathers" is stupid. Their opinions mean absolutely fuck-all; they were traitors and tax evaders, and they should be condemned, not glorified.

Basically.

'People in Liverpool don't get a vote and they pay four times as much in tax, plus we defended your cities in the French and Indian Wars"

"Waaah, 'murican priviledge trumps all"

"no"

*Starts revolution*

Admittedly, the revolution is a lot more complicated, but these are some of the basics.

Actually, the underlined still doesn't quite justify taxes without representation. And I'd argue most of the lead up to the revolution wasn't the taxes, but rather the poor way the British responded to the (justified) American reaction to the taxes. Basically, the British were asking for it. If they didn't want a rebellion in their prized colonies, then they shouldn't have done what they did. More flies with honey than vinegar. But no, little old George III couldn't stand any perceived "challenge" to his authority, no matter how slight, and had to throw a big temper tantrum in America over it. Basically, the only privilege that was being claimed to trump all was George III's. And he made a bet, and lost it all.

EDIT: In fact, I'd argue the whole episode is a good argument against monarchy. Because insecure, whiny cunts who shouldn't even be managing the night shift at McDonalds' inherit the throne, and fuck shit up.

[Oneracon]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/ ... -1.2668923

An interesting news story talking about the experiences of Sara Davis Buechner, an American-born trans woman who was once a highly regarded award-winning classical pianist but was shunned by the "conservative concert scene" after she came out in 1998 and began living as a woman.

[Grenartia]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/transgender-pianist-shunned-in-u-s-gets-encore-in-edmonton-1.2668923

An interesting news story talking about the experiences of Sara Davis Buechner, an American-born trans woman who was once a highly regarded award-winning classical pianist but was shunned by the "conservative concert scene" after she came out in 1998 and began living as a woman.

I want to give that woman the biggest hug ever.

[Wintersdown]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/transgender-pianist-shunned-in-u-s-gets-encore-in-edmonton-1.2668923

An interesting news story talking about the experiences of Sara Davis Buechner, an American-born trans woman who was once a highly regarded award-winning classical pianist but was shunned by the "conservative concert scene" after she came out in 1998 and began living as a woman.

That's a really wonderful story, I'm really proud of her.

[Benuty]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/ ... CF20140612

Huh...what idiocy.

[New Bethlehem]

Not exactly true. The European Court of Human Rights has addressed this.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which is binding international law, considers it a right, or at least it seems that way to me.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights?! More like 'Universal Declaration of Screw Independence and States Rights'!

[Salandriagado]

IIR not all of them owned slaves and the issue with taxes was that they lacked proper representation and that the taxes of the time were too high, not taxes in of themselves.

"Waaaah! Taxes are too high! If you don't lower taxes, I'm going to throw a revolution!"

Yeah, very admirable people, they were. Oh, wait, criminals are bad people, that's right...

Either way, worshiping the "Founding fathers" is stupid. Their opinions mean absolutely fuck-all; they were traitors and tax evaders, and they should be condemned, not glorified.

Not to mention that they disagreed with each other on literally everything. There seems to be a strange tendency to think of them as a homogeneous group, when they really weren't.

[Thafoo]

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which is binding international law, considers it a right, or at least it seems that way to me.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights?! More like 'Universal Declaration of Screw Independence and States Rights'!

HAH! THAT WAS CLEVER. YOU'RE CLEVER.

Except, you know, several countries were signatories to the UDHR and therefore were agreeing to its clauses which in turn obligates them to abide by them.

[Edlichbury]

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which is binding international law, considers it a right, or at least it seems that way to me.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights?! More like 'Universal Declaration of Screw Independence and States Rights'!

Why exactly does a state deserve more rights than an actual person?

[Liriena]

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which is binding international law, considers it a right, or at least it seems that way to me.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights?! More like 'Universal Declaration of Screw Independence and States Rights'!

That's cute.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Universal Declaration of Human Rights?! More like 'Universal Declaration of Screw Independence and States Rights'!

States rights? Conservative Americans, nobody cares.

[Linux and the X]

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which is binding international law, considers it a right, or at least it seems that way to me.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights?! More like 'Universal Declaration of Screw Independence and States Rights'!

Except that it only applies to States signatory, or are you suggesting they don't have a right to sign treaties?