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Pink Panther
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Postby Pink Panther » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:32 pm

Call the union of same sex couples whatever you want to but not marriage!

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Postby Shershah » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:33 pm

Othelos wrote:Stop trying to evade the questions.


It is not evading the question. More like answering them. No one said that it would be the answer you are looking for or are contend with.

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Postby Domenic and friends » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:34 pm

Pink Panther wrote:Call the union of same sex couples whatever you want to but not marriage!


Indeed!

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Postby Othelos » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:35 pm

Shershah wrote:
Othelos wrote:Stop trying to evade the questions.


It is not evading the question. More like answering them. No one said that it would be the answer you are looking for or are contend with.

So you believe you have the right to define other people's personal relationships?

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Postby Tekania » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:36 pm

Pink Panther wrote:Call the union of same sex couples whatever you want to but not marriage!


Why?
Such heroic nonsense!

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Postby Othelos » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:36 pm

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Pink Panther wrote:Call the union of same sex couples whatever you want to but not marriage!


Indeed!

LGBT people aren't second class citizens.

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Postby Shershah » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:38 pm

Othelos wrote:
Shershah wrote:
It is not evading the question. More like answering them. No one said that it would be the answer you are looking for or are contend with.

So you believe you have the right to define other people's personal relationships?


That has been replied to previously. The answer and the "why" aspect to it. Considering how long the entire argument was, i have no intention of going through it again, just for the sake of doing so.

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Postby Domenic and friends » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:38 pm

Othelos wrote:
Domenic and friends wrote:
Indeed!

LGBT people aren't second class citizens.


Not saying they are they can be together but it should not be classified as marriage. Marriage is meant for a female and male

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Postby OddLawnIstan » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:39 pm

Domenic and friends wrote:
Othelos wrote:LGBT people aren't second class citizens.


Not saying they are they can be together but it should not be classified as marriage. Marriage is meant for a female and male


According to whom?

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Postby Othelos » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:39 pm

Shershah wrote:
Othelos wrote:So you believe you have the right to define other people's personal relationships?


That has been replied to previously. The answer and the "why" aspect to it. Considering how long the entire argument was, i have no intention of going through it again, just for the sake of doing so.

I'm asking you to answer "yes" or "no". I'm not asking for an explanation.

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Postby Shershah » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:40 pm

Othelos wrote:
Shershah wrote:
That has been replied to previously. The answer and the "why" aspect to it. Considering how long the entire argument was, i have no intention of going through it again, just for the sake of doing so.

I'm asking you to answer "yes" or "no". I'm not asking for an explanation.


In that case, yes, in this context.

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Postby Domenic and friends » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:41 pm

OddLawnIstan wrote:
Domenic and friends wrote:
Not saying they are they can be together but it should not be classified as marriage. Marriage is meant for a female and male


According to whom?


Only a man and a woman can have a child its just the way it is. Hence is why marriage is here for company, love and the raising of children. Theres a reason why two guys or two woman cannot not naturally have a child

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Postby Blasveck » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:44 pm

Domenic and friends wrote:
OddLawnIstan wrote:
According to whom?


Only a man and a woman can have a child its just the way it is. Hence is why marriage is here for company, love and the raising of children. Theres a reason why two guys or two woman cannot not naturally have a child


Appeal to nature, for one.

Also, marriage is not primarily for the purposes of easing a child as there are no legal requirements to do so when seeking legal marriage. Marriage, historically, was not just between one man and one woman, but a man and his harem, as well as gay marriage, believe it or not.
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Postby OddLawnIstan » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:44 pm

Domenic and friends wrote:
OddLawnIstan wrote:
According to whom?


Only a man and a woman can have a child its just the way it is. Hence is why marriage is here for company, love and the raising of children. Theres a reason why two guys or two woman cannot not naturally have a child


Marriage exists for company, love, and raising children. There are plenty of children that need adoption. I sense a win win.

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Postby Domenic and friends » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:47 pm

OddLawnIstan wrote:
Domenic and friends wrote:
Only a man and a woman can have a child its just the way it is. Hence is why marriage is here for company, love and the raising of children. Theres a reason why two guys or two woman cannot not naturally have a child


Marriage exists for company, love, and raising children. There are plenty of children that need adoption. I sense a win win.


Children should be adopted by Couples that the woman cannot not have a child due to some medical reason.

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Postby Tekania » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:47 pm

Domenic and friends wrote:
Othelos wrote:LGBT people aren't second class citizens.


Not saying they are they can be together but it should not be classified as marriage. Marriage is meant for a female and male


Marriage is meant for whatever it comes to mean by common usage. Usage of marriage to apply to same sex persons has become common enough that it has been included in supporting dictionaries.... As such you're simply wrong. Primarily because you fail to grasp language. Language is not some static thing... it's something which ever evolves with those who use it.
Such heroic nonsense!

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Postby British Prussia » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:48 pm

Domenic and friends wrote:
OddLawnIstan wrote:
According to whom?


Only a man and a woman can have a child its just the way it is. Hence is why marriage is here for company, love and the raising of children. Theres a reason why two guys or two woman cannot not naturally have a child

Yes. But the problem is, LGBT's want this. And you'd need an overarching Act, or in America's case, some sort of Federal Law, that states Civil Unions = Marriage. Otherwise a partner would be considered a friend or a stranger to the other partner... Much easier just to call them married.
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Postby Arumdaum » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:49 pm

Pink Panther wrote:Call the union of same sex couples whatever you want to but not marriage!

why
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Postby OddLawnIstan » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:50 pm

Domenic and friends wrote:
OddLawnIstan wrote:
Marriage exists for company, love, and raising children. There are plenty of children that need adoption. I sense a win win.


Children should be adopted by Couples that the woman cannot not have a child due to some medical reason.


What makes a same sex couples less qualified to bring up children?

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:50 pm

Pink Panther wrote:Call the union of same sex couples whatever you want to but not marriage!

Why?
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:52 pm

Domenic and friends wrote:
OddLawnIstan wrote:
According to whom?


Only a man and a woman can have a child its just the way it is. Hence is why marriage is here for company, love and the raising of children. Theres a reason why two guys or two woman cannot not naturally have a child

1) Appeal to nature. (and also homosexuality is natural: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals)
2) Marriage is not just about having children.
3) There are many other ways of having children. (surrogacy, adoption, IVF, etc, etc)
I support peace in Israel and Palestine. The governments and people in power on all sides are an absolute disgrace, and their unwillingness to pursue peace is a disservice to the people they are meant to be serving. The status quo is not simply untenable; it is unquestionably unacceptable.

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Postby Arumdaum » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:54 pm

Domenic and friends wrote:
OddLawnIstan wrote:
According to whom?


Only a man and a woman can have a child its just the way it is. Hence is why marriage is here for company, love and the raising of children. Theres a reason why two guys or two woman cannot not naturally have a child

So sterile people shouldn't marry?
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Postby Domenic and friends » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:56 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Domenic and friends wrote:
Only a man and a woman can have a child its just the way it is. Hence is why marriage is here for company, love and the raising of children. Theres a reason why two guys or two woman cannot not naturally have a child

So sterile people shouldn't marry?


They can but thats what adoptions for.

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Postby British Prussia » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:57 pm

Domenic and friends wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:So sterile people shouldn't marry?


They can but thats what adoptions for.

Gay couples can adopt too...
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Postby Domenic and friends » Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:59 pm

British Prussia wrote:
Domenic and friends wrote:
They can but thats what adoptions for.

Gay couples can adopt too...


I understand that but adoption should be for sterile Straight couples or for a couple that just wants to adopt for some reason.

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