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Postby Kvatchdom » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:08 am

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Postby Paixao » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:12 am

In many ways I think I'd actually like to have a female body, and I've toyed with the idea that I'm a bi/lesbian woman in a male's body, but I was born male and frankly am actually ok with it so yeah, Male.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:30 am

Since I was a child, I would think looking like the average adult male here would make me very dystonic and ugly, even though I might not think all average adult males ugly. I would better stay as a child, but that wasn't possible and there would be no socio-political background to accept such novel concept either in this world.

I think the adult looks that fits the most my personality and concept of self is slightly androgynous bishie male where I could pass as a beautiful girl (just without the breats) with the proper haircut, makeup and clothes, and as a beautiful slightly feminine male when naked with my hair short. I wouldn't mind looking like a very masculine male if it would be also very sexy though. Notwithstanding any [and especially my bear-ish] rather masculine look would be my voice, people always interpret me as a young lady of age 15 or less on telephone.

I don't care much about the genitals (as long as they look healthy and attractive and are useful in making my potential partners happy), but I think if I had female ones (or, preferentially, altered masculine ones - made to look like the feminine - but with the gonads, now internal, being held intact, somehow conservating the 35°C temperature by an artificial termical isolation and some way of cooling), the very masculine male looks would fit the most. *nods*

My wish to be a bishie isn't one of crossdressing ideas but of vital gender expression that I have since very young, so I believe I am a slightly intergendered male. In fact I don't fetishize femininity, but masculinity (sometimes an extreme form of it), both in me and in others.

Aside that, my irreverence to whatever I might look in any gendered way, and even in regards to my genitals (though I'd rather have a vulva, aside no androgenic facial hair and less body hair, if I am going to have bubble buttocks, a violin-shaped body and breats), and my extreme indifference to any gender roles or expressions since my early childhood, and that I think I don't follow any of them but am just being myself instead, to me indicate I also must have at least a slight degree of demigenderedness.
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Postby Hot Babes in Toyland » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:34 am

Creativalsia wrote:How does one know if they are transgender, gender queer or non-gendered? For that matter, what is gender?



I would have to say male. But I know what you mean.

I have experienced the same thing as a male adult baby. Growing up, there wasn't any acknowledgement that people could be or were Ab/Dl. I can remember very early checking my male friends out to see if they were wearing diapers and fantasizing about it. I really thought it was a "hobby", a bizzare interest until I reached puberty and then it all fell in place. I realized that it wasn't a "hobby", that it was my preffered sexuality and as a hetrosexual male, I also realized thet I wanted to engage in it with females. It wasn't untill the 90's with the television shows the Jerry Springer show and Phil DOnahue show that I found out there were other people like me.
Since then I have come to have peace toward it. People are different, and no matter how they define themselves, it should be respected by other people.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:37 am

Kvatchdom wrote:There's this thing of meat in between my legs.

Well that's no help. So does my girlfriend.

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Postby Federal Female Asian States » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:41 am

Me and my girlfriend both met at a counseling session in Korea for Transsexual girls. Me an her both are hermaphrodites, we have both parts. But we like to call ourselves female because you can't tell we're transsexual by looking at us *unless we're naked.*
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Postby Rocopurr » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:42 am

Hot Babes in Toyland wrote:
Creativalsia wrote:How does one know if they are transgender, gender queer or non-gendered? For that matter, what is gender?



I would have to say male. But I know what you mean.

I have experienced the same thing as a male adult baby. Growing up, there wasn't any acknowledgement that people could be or were Ab/Dl. I can remember very early checking my male friends out to see if they were wearing diapers and fantasizing about it. I really thought it was a "hobby", a bizzare interest until I reached puberty and then it all fell in place. I realized that it wasn't a "hobby", that it was my preffered sexuality and as a hetrosexual male, I also realized thet I wanted to engage in it with females. It wasn't untill the 90's with the television shows the Jerry Springer show and Phil DOnahue show that I found out there were other people like me.
Since then I have come to have peace toward it. People are different, and no matter how they define themselves, it should be respected by other people.

What does being an adult baby have to do with gender?
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Postby Scholencia » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:47 am

Creativalsia wrote:How does one know if they are transgender, gender queer or non-gendered? For that matter, what is gender?

gender=sex

Everybody who have a doubt on that have this: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity_disorder

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Postby Rocopurr » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:51 am

Scholencia wrote:
Creativalsia wrote:How does one know if they are transgender, gender queer or non-gendered? For that matter, what is gender?

gender=sex

Everybody who have a doubt on that have this: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity_disorder

How does GID prove that gender equals sex?
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Postby Hot Babes in Toyland » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:28 pm

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Hot Babes in Toyland wrote:

I would have to say male. But I know what you mean.

I have experienced the same thing as a male adult baby. Growing up, there wasn't any acknowledgement that people could be or were Ab/Dl. I can remember very early checking my male friends out to see if they were wearing diapers and fantasizing about it. I really thought it was a "hobby", a bizzare interest until I reached puberty and then it all fell in place. I realized that it wasn't a "hobby", that it was my preffered sexuality and as a hetrosexual male, I also realized thet I wanted to engage in it with females. It wasn't untill the 90's with the television shows the Jerry Springer show and Phil DOnahue show that I found out there were other people like me.
Since then I have come to have peace toward it. People are different, and no matter how they define themselves, it should be respected by other people.

What does being an adult baby have to do with gender?


It has some features of the same experience. Back when I was yonger, I was real confused and felt really guilty because I felt it was not "normal". I thought I was a freak. Also, as a kid, I had my father slap me in the face because he found some diapers in my room. I know what it is like to go against the norm, to feel liike the only person in the whole world like this. I tried to stop, but I couldn't. I also know what is like to be the opposite of what you seem and try to imitate the things the "normal" people do.
As far as gender, we have quite a number of people in our community that is Transgendered. I can appreciate the struggle they must go through when people judge them by surface impressions. Myself, I am male that matches my genitals. But in a sense, I understand the fact that people will treat you by your surface appearance.
I am an adult baby. Deal with it.

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Postby Arcturus Novus » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:29 pm

Decide whatever fits you.
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Postby Trolldonia » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:37 pm

It's much easier if you do it like me and throw out the gender binary, recognising gender as a social construct. I just can't box myself into a specific gender, or in fact, I'd have trouble placing myself even onto a gender continuum. I am biologically male, but I don't really consider myself to be "manly" in the traditional sense. I do not consider myself to be particularly "womanly" either, although I occasionally toy with the idea that I'd like to be a woman. However, that urge is not actually strong enough for me to consider gender reassignment surgery, and it kind of switches on and off. The whole dichotomy is stupid - genderqueer all the way.

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Postby Leningrad Union » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:40 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Since I was a child, I would think looking like the average adult male here would make me very dystonic and ugly, even though I might not think all average adult males ugly. I would better stay as a child, but that wasn't possible and there would be no socio-political background to accept such novel concept either in this world.

I think the adult looks that fits the most my personality and concept of self is slightly androgynous bishie male where I could pass as a beautiful girl (just without the breats) with the proper haircut, makeup and clothes, and as a beautiful slightly feminine male when naked with my hair short. I wouldn't mind looking like a very masculine male if it would be also very sexy though. Notwithstanding any [and especially my bear-ish] rather masculine look would be my voice, people always interpret me as a young lady of age 15 or less on telephone.

I don't care much about the genitals (as long as they look healthy and attractive and are useful in making my potential partners happy), but I think if I had female ones (or, preferentially, altered masculine ones - made to look like the feminine - but with the gonads, now internal, being held intact, somehow conservating the 35°C temperature by an artificial termical isolation and some way of cooling), the very masculine male looks would fit the most. *nods*

My wish to be a bishie isn't one of crossdressing ideas but of vital gender expression that I have since very young, so I believe I am a slightly intergendered male. In fact I don't fetishize femininity, but masculinity (sometimes an extreme form of it), both in me and in others.

Aside that, my irreverence to whatever I might look in any gendered way, and even in regards to my genitals (though I'd rather have a vulva, aside no androgenic facial hair and less body hair, if I am going to have bubble buttocks, a violin-shaped body and breats), and my extreme indifference to any gender roles or expressions since my early childhood, and that I think I don't follow any of them but am just being myself instead, to me indicate I also must have at least a slight degree of demigenderedness.

I feel you. I used to be afraid of becoming "an ugly old dude." I'm still young (under 30) but I'm fine with myself.

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Postby Scholencia » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:45 pm

Rocopurr wrote:
Scholencia wrote:gender=sex

Everybody who have a doubt on that have this: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity_disorder

How does GID prove that gender equals sex?

Because scientists consider that gender=sex; there would not be an illness called GID in other case.

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Postby Liriena » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:45 pm

Scholencia wrote:
Creativalsia wrote:How does one know if they are transgender, gender queer or non-gendered? For that matter, what is gender?

gender=sex

Everybody who have a doubt on that have this: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity_disorder

Funny how your own source disagrees with your stance on this issue.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:46 pm

Scholencia wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:How does GID prove that gender equals sex?

Because scientists consider that gender=sex; there would not be an illness called GID in other case.

Did you even read your own source? :eyebrow:
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Postby Trolldonia » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:46 pm

Scholencia wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:How does GID prove that gender equals sex?

Because scientists consider that gender=sex; there would not be an illness called GID in other case.


An appeal to authority does not an argument make.

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Postby Rocopurr » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:46 pm

Scholencia wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:How does GID prove that gender equals sex?

Because scientists consider that gender=sex; there would not be an illness called GID in other case.

Being transsexual is changing your sex to match your gender, so...
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Postby Seitonjin » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:47 pm

Scholencia wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:How does GID prove that gender equals sex?

Because scientists consider that gender=sex; there would not be an illness called GID in other case.

Stop making logical fallacies ad infinitum
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Postby Liriena » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:47 pm

Rocopurr wrote:
Scholencia wrote:Because scientists consider that gender=sex; there would not be an illness called GID in other case.

Being transsexual is changing your sex to match your gender, so...

But... but... AD HOC! NEW GOALPOSTS!
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Postby Liriena » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:48 pm

Seitonjin wrote:
Scholencia wrote:Because scientists consider that gender=sex; there would not be an illness called GID in other case.

Stop making logical fallacies ad infinitum

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Postby Seitonjin » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:50 pm

Liriena wrote:
Seitonjin wrote:Stop making logical fallacies ad infinitum

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Postby Scholencia » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:52 pm

Liriena wrote:
Scholencia wrote:gender=sex

Everybody who have a doubt on that have this: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity_disorder

Funny how your own source disagrees with your stance on this issue.

It is said that it is debated wheter is a mental illness, furtermore in the footnotes it is said that the question comes from the lgbt lobby but and not from science. Also, it is classified as a illness as you see the numbers.

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Postby Souseiseki » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:53 pm

Scholencia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Funny how your own source disagrees with your stance on this issue.

It is said that it is debated wheter is a mental illness, furtermore in the footnotes it is said that the question comes from the lgbt lobby but and not from science. Also, it is classified as a illness as you see the numbers.


i hate to use the homosexuality,was an illness once too argument, but yeah, that's basically where i'm going. you need to seriously read that wikipage over and over again until you actually understand it.
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Postby Rocopurr » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:53 pm

Scholencia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Funny how your own source disagrees with your stance on this issue.

It is said that it is debated wheter is a mental illness, furtermore in the footnotes it is said that the question comes from the lgbt lobby but and not from science. Also, it is classified as a illness as you see the numbers.

I'm pretty sure APA has stopped considering it a mental illness.

Liriena wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:Being transsexual is changing your sex to match your gender, so...

But... but... AD HOC! NEW GOALPOSTS!

Nooooo... I give up.
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