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Postby Geilinor » Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:44 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Nailed to the Perch wrote:http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/125/4/e973.abstract

Goat's milk is not at ALL a "perfect alternative for babies." The AAP states that it should only be given to infants under one year of age if they are allergic to all other options, and even then it should only be done in active consultation with a doctor or pediatric nutritionist.

Also, here in Brazil it is general knowledge that donkey milk is much more superior for human infants than goat milk. :palm:

We need some donkey milk imports. :p
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:48 pm

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Katganistan wrote:I find that hard to believe. No one pisses and moans about feeding kids cow's milk, and it's more likely to upset the digestion.

Goat's milk is often used when kids are allergic to cow's.

Or is this another "government wants to force you to feed your kids chemicals!!!101111!!!! thingie?

Maybe this goat's milk isn't pasteurized or something? I mean ffs, they sell goat's milk in my supermarket.


Most doctors discourage the use of Cow's milk before one year of age.

I think the issue is this is an infant that is too young for either goats or cow's milk that needs breast milk or formula.

We don't know if there even was an issue. All we have is an Alex Jones video and Naturalnews.com, which seems like a conspiracy website. If you go to naturalnews.com, you'll see that their best stories are "The 10 false assumptions of modern science (and how to set science free with new paths to discovery)" and "- Natural News exclusive: Fukushima victim exposes Japanese government's attempted bizarre brainwashing of radiation victims".
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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:50 pm

Clearly goat's milk protects you from the government's mind control rays, which is why the NWO doesn't want you to have it.
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Postby Wikipedia and Universe » Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:53 pm

Nailed to the Perch wrote:http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/125/4/e973.abstract

Goat's milk is not at ALL a "perfect alternative for babies." The AAP states that it should only be given to infants under one year of age if they are allergic to all other options, and even then it should only be done in active consultation with a doctor or pediatric nutritionist dietitian.
As a small but important nitpick, one is better off consulting with a dietitian than a "nutritionist." People calling themselves "nutritionists" have an alarming tendency to be quacks.
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Divair wrote:Sourcing Alex Jones and NaturalNews (just look at their Wiki page, "NaturalNews (formerly Newstarget) is a website dedicated to alternative medicine and various conspiracy theories, such as chemtrails,[1] the alleged dangers of fluoride in drinking water (as well as that of MSG and aspartame) and alleged health problems caused by "toxic" ingredients in vaccines, including the now-discredited link to autism.")



This thread.. my sides...

MSG actually makes me extremely sick when I eat things that contain it....
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Divair wrote:Sourcing Alex Jones and NaturalNews (just look at their Wiki page, "NaturalNews (formerly Newstarget) is a website dedicated to alternative medicine and various conspiracy theories, such as chemtrails,[1] the alleged dangers of fluoride in drinking water (as well as that of MSG and aspartame) and alleged health problems caused by "toxic" ingredients in vaccines, including the now-discredited link to autism.")



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MSG actually makes me extremely sick when I eat things that contain it....

Excessive amounts are present in processed foods containing it. It creates physical addiction rather quickly. It is all around bad. That doesn't validate Alex Jones. Even stopped clocks are right twice a day.
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Postby Polinikia » Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:04 pm

I grew up on a small farm, so maybe I'm being biased here. But We never used any type of growth hormone, antibiotics or such. Our farm was largely organic , long before it became the popular thing of today. Our chickens were free range, because well that's how people raised them. Our neighbour had a couple of goats, used the milk for their kids, and even shared with us. No problems.
The problem as I see it, is too many of these legislators never lived on or any where near a farm. They never saw a live chicken, pig , goat or cow, and never had fresh, raw milk. They are influenced by the monoculturist agribuinesses that lined their pockets and fill their campaign troughs.
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Lunalia wrote:MSG actually makes me extremely sick when I eat things that contain it....

Excessive amounts are present in processed foods containing it. It creates physical addiction rather quickly. It is all around bad. That doesn't validate Alex Jones. Even stopped clocks are right twice a day.

Oh I know, just pointing out that fact.

And I know it's the MSG, because if someone tells me something has no MSG, and I eat it, and get sick, when I force them to get out the container it came in and read all the ingredients..... guess what's there!
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L Ron Cupboard wrote:Clearly goat's milk protects you from the government's mind control rays, which is why the NWO doesn't want you to have it.


And with the game of Telephone that is the Internet, someone down the line is going to see "Blowing goats protects you from the government."
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Postby Lunalia » Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:26 pm

The Independent States wrote:Um, perhaps you haven't heard that mercury poisons people? :palm:

Perhaps you've heard that chlorine is poisonous and sodium is a volatile explosive?
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Postby Seriong » Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:44 pm

Ok, so the original OP is semi-reasonable expecting more about government interference, but whatever. Then he gets asked another question, and goes full conspiracy mode, pulling all the tricks, fluoride, vaccines, MSG, but surprisingly not chemtrails. I'm not doing this, conspiracy theorists are no fun to argue against, and they just ruin questioning things for everyone else.

Also, about the original OP, I believe that it isn't something special about cow's milk, I believe it's recommended that you don't feed your new born cow's milk either, or any non-formula, non-breast milk.
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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:30 pm

Seriong wrote:Also, about the original OP, I believe that it isn't something special about cow's milk, I believe it's recommended that you don't feed your new born cow's milk either, or any non-formula, non-breast milk.

Correct. Breastmilk is bestmilk. Approved formulas are second best. Newborns and infants need a special blend of vitamins that breast milk provides, and on top of that, breast milk contains them with certain qualities that make it far superior with digestion and absorption. Formula contains the necessary vitamins, but the absorption isn't as good, and it can't imitate breast milk perfectly. But for mothers who don't produce enough milk or for some reason can't feed/pump, they are adequate. Milk from other animals do not provide those vitamins nor are they as easy for the vitamins it does produce to be absorbed.

Off topic, I would really love a future where we can have healthy women with good breastmilk capable of using their milk to help women who aren't capable of breastfeeding. They pump in a sanitary and approved place, get a little money for it, and the milk goes on to babies whose mothers can't give them their own. And I really want to try breastmilk ice cream.
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Seriong wrote:Also, about the original OP, I believe that it isn't something special about cow's milk, I believe it's recommended that you don't feed your new born cow's milk either, or any non-formula, non-breast milk.

Correct. Breastmilk is bestmilk. Approved formulas are second best. Newborns and infants need a special blend of vitamins that breast milk provides, and on top of that, breast milk contains them with certain qualities that make it far superior with digestion and absorption. Formula contains the necessary vitamins, but the absorption isn't as good, and it can't imitate breast milk perfectly. But for mothers who don't produce enough milk or for some reason can't feed/pump, they are adequate. Milk from other animals do not provide those vitamins nor are they as easy for the vitamins it does produce to be absorbed.

Off topic, I would really love a future where we can have healthy women with good breastmilk capable of using their milk to help women who aren't capable of breastfeeding. They pump in a sanitary and approved place, get a little money for it, and the milk goes on to babies whose mothers can't give them their own. And I really want to try breastmilk ice cream.


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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:33 pm

Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:And I really want to try breastmilk ice cream.

You know you can try donkey milk ice cream and the effect will be pretty much the same (AFAIK), right?
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Postby Partybus » Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:34 pm

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L Ron Cupboard wrote:Clearly goat's milk protects you from the government's mind control rays, which is why the NWO doesn't want you to have it.


And with the game of Telephone that is the Internet, someone down the line is going to see "Blowing goats protects you from the government."



It doesn't? Damn. *puts goat back in pen*

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Nailed to the Perch wrote:
Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:Correct. Breastmilk is bestmilk. Approved formulas are second best. Newborns and infants need a special blend of vitamins that breast milk provides, and on top of that, breast milk contains them with certain qualities that make it far superior with digestion and absorption. Formula contains the necessary vitamins, but the absorption isn't as good, and it can't imitate breast milk perfectly. But for mothers who don't produce enough milk or for some reason can't feed/pump, they are adequate. Milk from other animals do not provide those vitamins nor are they as easy for the vitamins it does produce to be absorbed.

Off topic, I would really love a future where we can have healthy women with good breastmilk capable of using their milk to help women who aren't capable of breastfeeding. They pump in a sanitary and approved place, get a little money for it, and the milk goes on to babies whose mothers can't give them their own. And I really want to try breastmilk ice cream.


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YES.
I thought there was some weird sanitary law that made this illegal.
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YES.
I thought there was some weird sanitary law that made this illegal.

It would be really weird. Since all humans a priori are capable of producing milk with self-estimulation, unlike about all other animals.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:51 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:YES.
I thought there was some weird sanitary law that made this illegal.

It would be really weird. Since all humans a priori are capable of producing milk with self-estimulation, unlike about all other animals.

I'm pretty sure my father and brother couldn't.
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Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:It would be really weird. Since all humans a priori are capable of producing milk with self-estimulation, unlike about all other animals.

I'm pretty sure my father and brother couldn't.

no guys can. its just much harder and they produce much less. its really weird, but true.
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Warda wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:I'm pretty sure my father and brother couldn't.

no guys can. its just much harder and they produce much less. its really weird, but true.

It's one of those things you can train, then.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:57 pm

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Farnhamia wrote:I'm pretty sure my father and brother couldn't.

no guys can. its just much harder and they produce much less. its really weird, but true.

Show me. I have heard of it happening in some men but all?
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