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Homosexuality A Trend?

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Postby Nigerian Kenya » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:19 am

Grenartia wrote:
Nigerian Kenya wrote:That's extremely optimistic. You'll likely end up being wrong. I'd suggest revising that estimate, or explaining how communist countries who kill anyone who even thinks about being gay will completely condone homosexuals, provided they don't wish to marry other homosexuals, within 27 years.


Progress can be a funny thing. 27 years ago, would you have been able to foresee all the sodomy laws having been struck down, much less 26% of all states recognizing SSM?

Well, no, because 27 years ago, I wasn't even born yet. But had I been alive and intelligent at the time, I would probably not have foreseen at least the latter condition.

However, the U.S. never killed people for being gay, so it wasn't as hard of a change to come about as it might be elsewhere....

Oh, and I should remind you that there are still countries that allow slavery, which emphasizes the hardness of decriminalization of homosexuality without exception by 2040.....
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:31 am

Nigerian Kenya wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Progress can be a funny thing. 27 years ago, would you have been able to foresee all the sodomy laws having been struck down, much less 26% of all states recognizing SSM?

Well, no, because 27 years ago, I wasn't even born yet. But had I been alive and intelligent at the time, I would probably not have foreseen at least the latter condition.

However, the U.S. never killed people for being gay, so it wasn't as hard of a change to come about as it might be elsewhere....

Oh, and I should remind you that there are still countries that allow slavery, which emphasizes the hardness of decriminalization of homosexuality without exception by 2040.....


Well, I'm of the view that due to the increasing proliferation of ideas via the internet, and the increase in proliferation to third-world countries of technologies capable of accessing the internet, social change is rapidly becoming more of an exponential rate of change, rather than linear.
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Postby Australasia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:35 am

Nigerian Kenya wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Progress can be a funny thing. 27 years ago, would you have been able to foresee all the sodomy laws having been struck down, much less 26% of all states recognizing SSM?

Well, no, because 27 years ago, I wasn't even born yet. But had I been alive and intelligent at the time, I would probably not have foreseen at least the latter condition.

However, the U.S. never killed people for being gay, so it wasn't as hard of a change to come about as it might be elsewhere....

Oh, and I should remind you that there are still countries that allow slavery, which emphasizes the hardness of decriminalization of homosexuality without exception by 2040.....


If you mean virtual slavery (i.e. oppression of women in sharia regimes), yes. As for slavery as a direct legal matter, however, it is illegal under international human rights law and in every country in the world. Thankfully.
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Postby Solarys » Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:47 am

Meryuma wrote:
Solarys wrote:Homosexuality as a lifestyle is a choice. But who you are attracted to need not be.

As for op though...

...what ?? :blink:


Homosexuality is the attraction, not the behavior.


Hence the reason why i didn't say that "Homosexuality is a choice"

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Postby Grenartia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:50 am

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Marquette of Pacific wrote:
1. Skin color and sexuality have nothing, NOTHING to do with each other. 2. Homosexuality is a trend, 3. it is a choice, 4. it can be a phase, 5. and it is a fad. 6. You know why it is a trend? 7. Because stupid liberals are 8. trying to change every fucking pillar of society! 9. LIBERALS ARE RUINING SOCIETY BY MAKING TEENS THINK IT IS OK TO BE GAY. 10. This is making more people choose to be gay.


1. Except that you can't choose either of them.

2. Acceptance of it IS. Being homosexual, however, is not.

3. No. Its not. Science and basic fucking logic prove you wrong. Why would people choose to be something that gets them treated like shit in so many places?

4. Again, see above.

5. Prove it.

6. Acceptance of homosexuality is a trend because people realized there's no reason to treat people like shit for no legitimate reason.

7. Has nothing to do with "liberals".

8. What the fuck are you talking about?

9. How the hell is making people not want to kill themselves for being something they have no control over, and not treating them like shit for something that does absolutely no harm "ruining" society? How fucking high are you?

10. If people choose to be gay, then obviously, by the same token, they choose to be straight. When did you choose to be straight, and why didn't you choose to be gay?

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Yes. They. Do.

God makes people straight but certain experiences pervert their minds into having sexual thoughts about the same gender.


Except, there's absolutely NO PROOF of any of that bullshit. I had a normal fucking childhood. I am pansexual.

Also, God makes people of EVERY sexual orientation, because God has NO PROBLEM with LGBT people.

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Conkerials wrote:According to just all Abrahamic religions, sodomy is a sin. Not a very well enforced rule I might add, but a sin nonetheless.

I'm an Agnostic :L


Not inherently in Christianity.

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... Why would anyone?


This. If I wanted to kill all my brain cells at once, I'd go swimming in a swimming pool full of Jack Daniels laced with LSD.


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Postby Divair » Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:59 am

Marquette of Pacific wrote:
Divair wrote:Would you say being black became a trend in the 60's? No? There we go.


Skin color and sexuality have nothing, NOTHING to do with each other. Homosexuality is a trend, it is a choice, it can be a phase, and it is a fad. You know why it is a trend? Because stupid liberals are trying to change every fucking pillar of society! LIBERALS ARE RUINING SOCIETY BY MAKING TEENS THINK IT IS OK TO BE GAY. This is making more people choose to be gay.

Source.

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Postby Grenartia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:00 am

Divair wrote:
Marquette of Pacific wrote:
Skin color and sexuality have nothing, NOTHING to do with each other. Homosexuality is a trend, it is a choice, it can be a phase, and it is a fad. You know why it is a trend? Because stupid liberals are trying to change every fucking pillar of society! LIBERALS ARE RUINING SOCIETY BY MAKING TEENS THINK IT IS OK TO BE GAY. This is making more people choose to be gay.

Source.


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Postby De La Fleur » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:05 am

I don't think being gay is a trend
But i think being different is becoming a trend.
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Postby Vandelstein » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:06 am

It's more of a choice and gender preference. I chose to have a boyfriend because I prefer to be with one .That doesn't make me part of a trend. People are more open than they used to nowadays and I guess that encouraged guys like me (or girls) to get out of their comfort zone and just be who they are. Of course, there are still issues like bullying, hate crimes, and the like, but compared to the past, these days are better.

A trend would be fashion or a meme on 9gag. Just saying.
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Postby Llamalandia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:33 am

Australasia wrote:
Nigerian Kenya wrote:Well, no, because 27 years ago, I wasn't even born yet. But had I been alive and intelligent at the time, I would probably not have foreseen at least the latter condition.

However, the U.S. never killed people for being gay, so it wasn't as hard of a change to come about as it might be elsewhere....

Oh, and I should remind you that there are still countries that allow slavery, which emphasizes the hardness of decriminalization of homosexuality without exception by 2040.....


If you mean virtual slavery (i.e. oppression of women in sharia regimes), yes. As for slavery as a direct legal matter, however, it is illegal under international human rights law and in every country in the world. Thankfully.


Yeah, because as we all know every country in the world without exception obeys all parts of formal and customary international law right? But seriously, I bet certain countries take a more active role in fighting human slavery than others, after look at the sex tourism trade in certain southeast asian countries, it's ridiculously appalling and despite vociferous assertions that they are fighting the problem tooth and nail it is still too easy for rich business men to have their way with child prostitutes in these countries. It may not be de jure slavery but it is defacto at least.

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Postby Llamalandia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:36 am

No, I doubt you can choose to be gay, but you can choose to "pretend to be gay" and I believe that is what the crux of the original argument was if I recall correctly. THe idea that it is literally trendy to "appear" gay in some circles in the 21st century while not actually having in legitimate feelings of attraction behind it. Of course it could only become a trend because authentic homosexuality has also become far more acceptable in modern society as well. :)

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Postby Magna Libero » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:47 am

Llamalandia wrote:
Australasia wrote:
If you mean virtual slavery (i.e. oppression of women in sharia regimes), yes. As for slavery as a direct legal matter, however, it is illegal under international human rights law and in every country in the world. Thankfully.


Yeah, because as we all know every country in the world without exception obeys all parts of formal and customary international law right? But seriously, I bet certain countries take a more active role in fighting human slavery than others, after look at the sex tourism trade in certain southeast asian countries, it's ridiculously appalling and despite vociferous assertions that they are fighting the problem tooth and nail it is still too easy for rich business men to have their way with child prostitutes in these countries. It may not be de jure slavery but it is defacto at least.

Yes, human trafficking is the most profitable illegal business( after drugs) world wide...

What does slavery or human trafficking whatsoever have to do with homosexuality?
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Postby Llamalandia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:55 am

Magna Libero wrote:
Llamalandia wrote:
Yeah, because as we all know every country in the world without exception obeys all parts of formal and customary international law right? But seriously, I bet certain countries take a more active role in fighting human slavery than others, after look at the sex tourism trade in certain southeast asian countries, it's ridiculously appalling and despite vociferous assertions that they are fighting the problem tooth and nail it is still too easy for rich business men to have their way with child prostitutes in these countries. It may not be de jure slavery but it is defacto at least.

Yes, human trafficking is the most profitable illegal business( after drugs) world wide...

What does slavery or human trafficking whatsoever have to do with homosexuality?


Im not sure actually someone else brought it up. I believe however they were trying to illustrate that social attitudes change very slowly on a global scale, and that after slavery was eliminated in the usa it was still happening in others parts of the world (and continues to this day). Thus relatively speaking the acceptability of homosexuality has been happening exceedingly fast and thus perhaps some people view it as trendy now.

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Postby The Rich Port » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:52 am

Solarys wrote:
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That's not a "heterosexual" lifestyle.

That's a "married" lifestyle.


You can be in a homosexual relationship and still be "married"


That is also a goddamn "married" lifestyle.

What the fuck makes it so different as to call it a lifestyle.

Also, you keep calling it a lifestyle.

I don't think that word means what you think it means.
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Postby Eleutheria » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:54 am

Yeah, homosexuality's a trend. Those hip, new, rebellious ancient greeks and romans. It'll blow over next month and they'll all be rollerskating instead.
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Postby Solarys » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:57 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Solarys wrote:
You can be in a homosexual relationship and still be "married"


That is also a goddamn "married" lifestyle.

What the fuck makes it so different as to call it a lifestyle.

Also, you keep calling it a lifestyle.

I don't think that word means what you think it means.


Distinctions, for the sake of differentiation etc.

Life style as in "way of living".

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Postby The Rich Port » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:00 am

Solarys wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
That is also a goddamn "married" lifestyle.

What the fuck makes it so different as to call it a lifestyle.

Also, you keep calling it a lifestyle.

I don't think that word means what you think it means.


Distinctions, for the sake of differentiation etc.

Life style as in "way of living".


Some would say I'm being an enormous hypocrite because I use words that make sense to me, but I use those words because I try to create new terms for things people don't yet understand.

"Lifestyle" implies that there's something completely different about the lifestyles. The only difference I detect differentiating homosexual and heterosexual marriages are the sexes of the spouses. While it is a big difference, it most definitely isn't one of many enough to mark it as a lifestyle all that different from a heterosexual marriage.

Your use of the word "lifestyle" is just confusing and implies there's more to it.
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Postby Solarys » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:04 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Solarys wrote:
Distinctions, for the sake of differentiation etc.

Life style as in "way of living".


Some would say I'm being an enormous hypocrite because I use words that make sense to me, but I use those words because I try to create new terms for things people don't yet understand.

"Lifestyle" implies that there's something completely different about the lifestyles. The only difference I detect differentiating homosexual and heterosexual marriages are the sexes of the spouses. While it is a big difference, it most definitely isn't one of many enough to mark it as a lifestyle all that different from a heterosexual marriage.

Your use of the word "lifestyle" is just confusing and implies there's more to it.


http://bit.ly/19e13jR

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look at the synonym.

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Postby The Rich Port » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:08 am

Solarys wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Some would say I'm being an enormous hypocrite because I use words that make sense to me, but I use those words because I try to create new terms for things people don't yet understand.

"Lifestyle" implies that there's something completely different about the lifestyles. The only difference I detect differentiating homosexual and heterosexual marriages are the sexes of the spouses. While it is a big difference, it most definitely isn't one of many enough to mark it as a lifestyle all that different from a heterosexual marriage.

Your use of the word "lifestyle" is just confusing and implies there's more to it.


http://bit.ly/19e13jR

:p

look at the synonym.


... And I'm asking you, how different are they that they necessitate such a labelling?
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Postby Solarys » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:10 am

The Rich Port wrote:... And I'm asking you, how different are they that they necessitate such a labelling?


The differences are more than enough for me to necessitate such a labeling though.

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Postby The Rich Port » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:11 am

Solarys wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:... And I'm asking you, how different are they that they necessitate such a labelling?


The differences are more than enough for me to necessitate such a labeling though.


And I'm telling you they're not.

Do homosexuals poop liquorice in their spouse's coffee cup every day?
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Postby Solarys » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:16 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Solarys wrote:
The differences are more than enough for me to necessitate such a labeling though.


And I'm telling you they're not.

Do homosexuals poop liquorice in their spouse's coffee cup every day?


And i am saying that it doesn't matter. I am the one who is using the labels here and that is because i find using them to be appropriate.

It is like asking why use "heroine" when "hero" is just as fine. The difference here is one being in a same-sex relationship and the other a opposite-sex relationship.

Sure you could just call it homo/hetero sexuality and leave it at that, but that atleast for me only denotes their sexual orientation, as in to what sex they are actually attracted to.

But you can still be a homosexual and be in a heterosexual relationship as in following a heterosexual lifestyle (for whatever reason).

I can't be any more clear on it than that.

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Postby The Rich Port » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:18 am

Solarys wrote:I can't be any more clear on it than that.


You're not trying very hard.
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Postby Solarys » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:19 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Solarys wrote:I can't be any more clear on it than that.


You're not trying very hard.


That is as hard as i am willing to try. :D

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Postby The Rich Port » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:20 am

Solarys wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
You're not trying very hard.


That is as hard as i am willing to try. :D


Eeyup.

Kinda my point.
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