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Postby Pagan Hungary » Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:05 pm

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Postby OptimusOctopus » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:43 pm

Agorya wrote:
OptimusOctopus wrote:Why does america call all their people, "X-American"?

Or better yet, since they all originate in America, why don't we all call them, "Americans"?


Cuz liberals want to foster multiculturalism while eroding the identities of people who are immigrants.


Well, now i'm set. All people born or naturalized in America shall be their race. "Americans".
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Postby Carnivorous Flying Lunchboxes » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:03 pm

Probably.
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Postby Agorya » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:31 pm

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Cuz liberals want to foster multiculturalism while eroding the identities of people who are immigrants.


Well, now i'm set. All people born or naturalized in America shall be their race. "Americans".


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Postby Saiwania » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:41 pm

OptimusOctopus wrote:Well, now I'm set. All people born or naturalized in America shall be their race. "Americans".


No I insist, I'm a White American because I'm White and there is no way that I'm the same as an Asian, Black, Latino, or native American person. For one thing, we all come from completely different histories and subcultures.
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Postby OptimusOctopus » Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:12 pm

Saiwania wrote:
OptimusOctopus wrote:Well, now I'm set. All people born or naturalized in America shall be their race. "Americans".


No I insist, I'm a White American because I'm White and there is no way that I'm the same as an Asian, Black, Latino, or native American person. For one thing, we all come from completely different histories and subcultures.



Just because you have a different history doesn't mean you can't be the same race. We all have a percentage of everything in us anyway, especially in us Americans.
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Postby Pope Joan » Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:36 pm

Having those labels is one way of ensuring we have fair housing and hiring policies. Otherwise, race prejudice will still control, but there will be no record to prove it.
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:43 pm

OptimusOctopus wrote:Just because you have a different history doesn't mean you can't be the same race. We all have a percentage of everything in us anyway, especially in us Americans.


That is the whole point, I am not of the same race as a Black person for example. I personally don't know very many Black people in my life and mainly only associate with other Whites and that is how I like it and am used to. Not going to hate non-Whites merely for not being White, but I just want to be able to keep to my own group. I'm just not interested in living with diversity, is that so bad?
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Postby Choronzon » Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:47 pm

Saiwania wrote: I'm just not interested in living with diversity, is that so bad?

Yes.

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Postby Seperates » Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:48 pm

Pope Joan wrote:Having those labels is one way of ensuring we have fair housing and hiring policies. Otherwise, race prejudice will still control, but there will be no record to prove it.

Totally this ^
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Postby Caninope » Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:07 pm

Saiwania wrote: I'm just not interested in living with diversity, is that so bad?

But why not? My three of my best friends in high school consisted of an Indian, a black guy, and a half-Filipino. They certainly gave me different ideas and outlooks on life.

Plus, I really love Indian food.
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Postby Hallistar » Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:08 pm

Pope Joan wrote:Having those labels is one way of ensuring we have fair housing and hiring policies. Otherwise, race prejudice will still control, but there will be no record to prove it.


Agreed. Societies that whitewash themselves as officially being color-blind and multiracial with racism almost never occurring, cause people not to notice the acts of racism and discrimination that have occured in its history, and to overlook those who have been marginalized. That and an unrealistic expectation of what to expect, as a minority. Not to mention that those who think that removing AA will make society less racist don't realize that the very reason it was set up is due to the need to respond to said racism.

Aboriginals have faced alot of discrimination in the US, Australia, Canada and New Zealand in the past and in some cases still in the present, yet it seems that people on the large scale are more aware of the abuses they faced in the US and not in the other Anglosphere nations.
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Postby Choronzon » Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:09 pm

Caninope wrote:
Saiwania wrote: I'm just not interested in living with diversity, is that so bad?

But why not? My three of my best friends in high school consisted of an Indian, a black guy, and a half-Filipino. They certainly gave me different ideas and outlooks on life.

Plus, I really love Indian food.

This does not jive with my Republican stereotype.


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Postby Caninope » Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:11 pm

Choronzon wrote:
Caninope wrote:But why not? My three of my best friends in high school consisted of an Indian, a black guy, and a half-Filipino. They certainly gave me different ideas and outlooks on life.

Plus, I really love Indian food.

This does not jive with my Republican stereotype.


Please, stop, before space time breaks down.

Don't worry, I'm still from a small town.

And to make things even better, the Indian adhered to the stereotype, as his family owned a gas station (a continual source of jokes among the group). :p Feeling better yet?
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Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.

Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
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Postby Choronzon » Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:12 pm

Caninope wrote:
Choronzon wrote:This does not jive with my Republican stereotype.


Please, stop, before space time breaks down.

Don't worry, I'm still from a small town.

And to make things even better, the Indian adhered to the stereotype, as his family owned a gas station (a continual source of jokes among the group). :p Feeling better yet?

Say something about legitimate rape. That will help.

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Postby Caninope » Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:16 pm

Choronzon wrote:
Caninope wrote:Don't worry, I'm still from a small town.

And to make things even better, the Indian adhered to the stereotype, as his family owned a gas station (a continual source of jokes among the group). :p Feeling better yet?

Say something about legitimate rape. That will help.

All rape is legitimate rape.

Legitimate rape is never legitimate and is a horrible deed, and should carry harsh sentences.
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Postby Choronzon » Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:16 pm

Caninope wrote:
Choronzon wrote:Say something about legitimate rape. That will help.

All rape is legitimate rape.

Legitimate rape is never legitimate and is a horrible deed, and should carry harsh sentences.

But...my Republican stereotype...

Stop it.

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Postby AETEN II » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:04 pm

It doesn't matter anymore besides politicians who want it for their polls and demography. Besides that, there's not much of a purpose.

What I do call bullshit though is people that don't want police officers to use race as means to track down a criminal on the run. Having to call out 'Blue Jeans and a Sweatshirt' doesn't really help them out- clothes can be changed. Skin pigmentation is a weee bit harder without a fuckton of UV rays.
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Postby Seperates » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:15 pm

AETEN II wrote:It doesn't matter anymore besides politicians who want it for their polls and demography. Besides that, there's not much of a purpose.

What I do call bullshit though is people that don't want police officers to use race as means to track down a criminal on the run. Having to call out 'Blue Jeans and a Sweatshirt' doesn't really help them out- clothes can be changed. Skin pigmentation is a weee bit harder without a fuckton of UV rays.

Thing is that if you say "African American male with Blue Jeans and a Sweatshirt", it doesn't help much either, seeing as there are a lot of different colors of black so to speak. As well, witnesses are more likely to 'see' what looks to be an African American or Latino male in their attacker, even if he is white. It is better to go off of facial description rather than race. Especially since you rarely hear "White male" on the news descriptor... then it is generally a hair color.
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Postby Norstal » Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:29 pm

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Norstal wrote:That's it then. As a minority, I shall make it my mission to get a white girl.


Just to clarify, do you not want White people to exist or do you think they are doing just fine demographically speaking; and that you find White women attractive?

Look, Europeans have dominated the world. Just fuck off, sit back, and relax. Your "race" is not dying anytime soon.
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Postby AETEN II » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:31 am

Seperates wrote:
AETEN II wrote:It doesn't matter anymore besides politicians who want it for their polls and demography. Besides that, there's not much of a purpose.

What I do call bullshit though is people that don't want police officers to use race as means to track down a criminal on the run. Having to call out 'Blue Jeans and a Sweatshirt' doesn't really help them out- clothes can be changed. Skin pigmentation is a weee bit harder without a fuckton of UV rays.

Thing is that if you say "African American male with Blue Jeans and a Sweatshirt", it doesn't help much either, seeing as there are a lot of different colors of black so to speak. As well, witnesses are more likely to 'see' what looks to be an African American or Latino male in their attacker, even if he is white. It is better to go off of facial description rather than race. Especially since you rarely hear "White male" on the news descriptor... then it is generally a hair color.

So you obviously support the ludicroius bill in New York City to try to legalize the ability of a person to sue a police officer if they were profiled by race, gender, or age if they were wrongfully pursued/charged? Yeah, that's great.

No, it's a needed thing. It might work in a small town, but in a nation with a population above two hundred million and massive urban sprawlings, using race, age, and gender to discriminate a criminal from the populace is a key tool in catching them. Denying the ability the officers the ability to divvy up the population in their searches for a criminal would simply impede the law, as any ability for them to reduce the pool of suspects. Searching for clothing is both retarded as useless- if appearance is the only thing to go on, once they change their clothes, they're gone.
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Postby Sociobiology » Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:58 am

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Sociobiology wrote: so again by that justification bald is a race.

Yes, obviously that is exactly what I'm saying. You've found me out, I'm really just a nut.

I am saying there is no difference between black as a race and bald as a race.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:03 am

Saiwania wrote:
OptimusOctopus wrote:Well, now I'm set. All people born or naturalized in America shall be their race. "Americans".


No I insist, I'm a White American because I'm White and there is no way that I'm the same as an Asian, Black, Latino, or native American person. For one thing, we all come from completely different histories and subcultures.


^ This.

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Postby Sociobiology » Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:10 am

Saiwania wrote:
No I insist, I'm a White American because I'm White and there is no way that I'm the same as an Asian, Black, Latino, or native American person. For one thing, we all come from completely different histories and subcultures.


Uh no you come from the exact same history and culture if you were raised in the same place.

the closest thing you can get to valid races for humans has several "black" races and one race that included everyone else including many black people.
A Scandinavian, Incan, and Australian Aborigine are all more closely related to each other than two random Sub-saharan Africans are.
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Postby Sociobiology » Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:13 am

Choronzon wrote:
Saiwania wrote: I'm just not interested in living with diversity, is that so bad?

Yes.

exactly.
"I don't believe in living in harmony with people from other cultures" is a bad thing.
Also very unamerican.
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