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Postby Jassysworth 1 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:31 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
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Stateless, classless, and moneyless society...

that can't work unless you want to go back to the Stone Age;[citation needed] none of it is practical in the least[citation needed]...

Use your common sense"Common sense" is the last appeal of the individual with no argument.. What does a stateless, classless, and moneyless society lead to? The complete deconstruction of every major pillar of civilized and orderly society.[citation needed] You'll get a civil war and anarchy until a new state is formed.[citation needed] You'll go a full circle with everyone being worse off because of the interlude of bloodshed.[citation needed]


Any evidence to support any of this?

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:The most advanced socities in the world are a mix of Capitalism and Communism just look at Germany and Netherlands.


This post made me want to cry.


All of history thus far strongly supports/hints at this conclusion...
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:35 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Jassysworth 1 wrote:
Stateless, classless, and moneyless society...

that can't work unless you want to go back to the Stone Age;[citation needed] none of it is practical in the least[citation needed]...

Use your common sense"Common sense" is the last appeal of the individual with no argument.. What does a stateless, classless, and moneyless society lead to? The complete deconstruction of every major pillar of civilized and orderly society.[citation needed] You'll get a civil war and anarchy until a new state is formed.[citation needed] You'll go a full circle with everyone being worse off because of the interlude of bloodshed.[citation needed]


Any evidence to support any of this?

Just butting in here.

I'd argue that a stateless society has limited practicality, due to the state's purpose as a regulating force through authority.
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Postby Conscentia » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:38 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Any evidence to support any of this?

Just butting in here.

I'd argue that a stateless society has limited practicality, due to the state's purpose as a regulating force through authority.

Whether or not that would occur would depend on what one would regard a "state".

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Postby Conscentia » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:41 am

Jassysworth 1 wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:Any evidence to support any of this?
This post made me want to cry.

All of history thus far strongly supports/hints at this conclusion...

One sentence from you is not a citation.
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:43 am

Conscentia wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Just butting in here.

I'd argue that a stateless society has limited practicality, due to the state's purpose as a regulating force through authority.

Whether or not that would occur would depend on what one would regard a "state".

Ultimately, it's impossible to create a nation completely isolated from the effects of a "state"; a governing body will always emerge in some form unless complete anarchy is created.
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Postby Jassysworth 1 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:43 am

Conscentia wrote:
Jassysworth 1 wrote:All of history thus far strongly supports/hints at this conclusion...

One sentence from you is not a citation.


common sense needs no citation...

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:46 am

Jassysworth 1 wrote:
Conscentia wrote:One sentence from you is not a citation.


common sense needs no citation...

That's because it isn't an argument.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:49 am

Not really much of a fan of either. But Capitalism is the best option because at least it rewards the more productive (with better pay, promotion, etc.) while Communism wants a utopian classless society where everyone gets equal pay regardless of their contributions.

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Postby Conscentia » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:49 am

Jassysworth 1 wrote:
Conscentia wrote:One sentence from you is not a citation.

common sense needs no citation...

You have no argument.

It was once "common sense" that miasmas caused disease. "Common sense!!!!!11!!!1!" is not an argument.

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Postby Conscentia » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:49 am

The Grey Wolf wrote:Not really much of a fan of either. But Capitalism is the best option because at least it rewards the more productive (with better pay, promotion, etc.) while Communism wants a utopian classless society where everyone gets equal pay regardless of their contributions.

No it doesn't.

Please read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:51 am

The Grey Wolf wrote:Not really much of a fan of either. But Capitalism is the best option because at least it rewards the more productive (with better pay, promotion, etc.) while Communism wants a utopian classless society where everyone gets equal pay regardless of their contributions.

It actually distributes wealth according to one's need, if I'm correct.
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Postby Heavenly Peace » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:52 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:Not really much of a fan of either. But Capitalism is the best option because at least it rewards the more productive (with better pay, promotion, etc.) while Communism wants a utopian classless society where everyone gets equal pay regardless of their contributions.

It actually distributes wealth according to one's need, if I'm correct.


Need? Or want?
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:54 am

Heavenly Peace wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:It actually distributes wealth according to one's need, if I'm correct.


Need? Or want?

Did I make myself unclear when I said "need"?
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:54 am

Conscentia wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:Not really much of a fan of either. But Capitalism is the best option because at least it rewards the more productive (with better pay, promotion, etc.) while Communism wants a utopian classless society where everyone gets equal pay regardless of their contributions.

No it doesn't.

Please read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism


????

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Postby Heavenly Peace » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:55 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
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Need? Or want?

Did I make myself unclear when I said "need"?


No, you did not.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:55 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:Not really much of a fan of either. But Capitalism is the best option because at least it rewards the more productive (with better pay, promotion, etc.) while Communism wants a utopian classless society where everyone gets equal pay regardless of their contributions.

It actually distributes wealth according to one's need, if I'm correct.


Basically, it takes what you've earned, leaving only what you need?

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:56 am

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Conscentia wrote:No it doesn't.

Please read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism


????

What's so baffling about a link to Wikipedia?
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Postby Conscentia » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:56 am

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Conscentia wrote:No it doesn't.
Please read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

????

You seem to have forgotten to add words.

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:It actually distributes wealth according to one's need, if I'm correct.

Basically, it takes what you've earned, leaving only what you need?

No. Read the page I linked to. Don't glance, actually read it.

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:58 am

Conscentia wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:????

You seem to have forgotten to add words.

The Grey Wolf wrote:Basically, it takes what you've earned, leaving only what you need?

No. Read the page I linked to. Don't glance, actually read it.


I did, I didn't get what you were referring to.
Are you Communist?

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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:59 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:Not really much of a fan of either. But Capitalism is the best option because at least it rewards the more productive (with better pay, promotion, etc.) while Communism wants a utopian classless society where everyone gets equal pay regardless of their contributions.

It actually distributes wealth according to one's need, if I'm correct.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Basically, there is such an abundance of goods that ones needs can always be satisfied.

This follows after "to each according to his contribution".

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Postby Conscentia » Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:00 am

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Conscentia wrote:You seem to have forgotten to add words.

No. Read the page I linked to. Don't glance, actually read it.

I did, I didn't get what you were referring to.
Are you Communist?

I was referring to the part I put in bold.

I was a communist. What difference would it make if I were?

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Postby Royal Witch Realm » Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:00 am

Just keeping it on myself, I love communist, because, I am raised to be a part of a collective rather than privatize, but I do with all of my heart respect and support the capitalist allies. Thank You, and this is an awesome topic in my opinion. :)

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:02 am

The Grey Wolf wrote:I did, I didn't get what you were referring to.

What he was referring to? By posting a link to the Wikipedia page on communism? He was actually making a statement of the feasibility of abiogenesis as a theory to suggest how life first formed from basic amino acid chains into RNA molecules.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:02 am

Conscentia wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:I did, I didn't get what you were referring to.
Are you Communist?

I was referring to the part I put in bold.

I was a communist. What difference would it make if I were?


Nothing, I just needed a list of ad hominems for the next time we get in a debate. :p

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:03 am

Napkiraly wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:It actually distributes wealth according to one's need, if I'm correct.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Basically, there is such an abundance of goods that ones needs can always be satisfied.

This follows after "to each according to his contribution".

Of course, how one's "needs" are determined is another issue.
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