Obama

[Grave_n_idle]

If it makes you feel better to think Im a troll, kee believing it.

I didn't say troll.

Hoist by your own petard, mon ami.

[Arkinesia]

That's a good one!

Obama, it seems, is unwilling to work or compromise with anyone.

What do you call the stimulus bill, where over a third of it was made into tax cuts as part of a compromise to gain republican votes? Or the initial bipartisan health care negotiations, which fell apart after Chuck Grassley started falsely claiming death panels were part of the bill? Or how about the jettisoning of the public option, or the inclusion of tough abortion language? How is that not compromise?
It's not Obama's fault if Republicans are not willing to work with him. He's made a great deal of effort.

Bahaha. You seriously believe that bullshit? Obama had nothing to do with the tough abortion language. Sure, Democrats were involved, but sure as hell not Obama.

Dubya invented the bailouts and his neocon supporters marched in step.

How quickly we rewrite history!

'Scuse, I'm not a neocon, and I didn't support Bush's bailouts, nor did I support Obama's bailouts. Last time we bailed out the economy en masse, the Great Depression happened.

Hmm, I didn't see much compromise on the "MUCH-NEEDED BAILOUT@@@@@@" and I don't recall much compromise on the health care bill that wasn't morally reprehensible.

The fact is, he doesn't understand his electorate. Instead of realizing nobody wants his Almighty Blessed Health Care Legislation of the Gods, he just tries to ram it down Congress' collective throat.

All it will accomplish is the Democrats coming out of the midterms bloody and bruised for not just standing up to him and calling him a club-wielder.

Well, apart from all those people that do, of course, but clearly they don't count...

All 40% of them? In a democracy, no, they don't count, as a matter of fact.

[Survivors on Earth]

REAL news sources. Fox, rightwingnews.com, biggovernment.com to name a few. And yeah, I know, "lol fox isnt fair and balanced!". Typical liberal smear tactic.

Ah. Parody account.

Got it.

Why? You assume Im a parody because I am conservative? Is this place so sad that there are no real conservatives? Just jesters?

No, I assume you are a parody because of the ridiculous extreme, but more...

...because you trot out 'rightwingnews.com', and then pretend that Fox news would be controversial.

You overplayed your hand.


I feel sorry for KMA, actually - since he thought you were for real.

I knew Fox would be controversial because I live in the real world. The smear machine is constantly talking about how bias it is. It is a little, but not nearly as much as the Clinton News Network.

And I know rightwingnews.com isnt unbias. Id have to be an idiot not to.

I just dont care. Much like you dont care when you listen to NPR and how bias to the left it is.

u gotta learn the difference between "left-wing bias" and delivering the facts

the only left bias news show i know of is the Ed Show on msnbc, i dont like that show, i like it wen its the most unbias as possible, thus i watch Hardball, Countdown (it gets annoyingly bias sumtimes) and the Rachel Maddow Show

i also listen to NPR, which is hilariously centrist..not bias in any sens of YOUR definition

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

'Scuse, I'm not a neocon, and I didn't support Bush's bailouts, nor did I support Obama's bailouts. Last time we bailed out the economy en masse, the Great Depression happened.

Actually the last time we bailed out the economy en masse was in 1989 and we didn't enter a depression.

[Milks Empire]

Hes intentionally destroying our economy (10% unemployment!) to use the crisis as an excuse to push his socialist agenda.

And this shows that you know jack shit about economics. Unemployment always lags behind the other indicators. It's always the last to show signs of recovery (source: Dr. Bill Goffe, SUNY Oswego).

He knew the bailout wouldnt work, it wasnt supposed to.

Yeah, I'm gonna need some proof for that.

And Glenn Beck is a great man, to whoever asked me. But hes not he only one you should listen to.

REAL news sources. Fox, rightwingnews.com, biggovernment.com to name a few. And yeah, I know, "lol fox isnt fair and balanced!". Typical liberal smear tactic.

To paraphrase the caption from that one LOLcat: Excuse me WTF r u smokin

There is less spin on Fox then there is on other networks. And the other networks spin it to the left. Fox spins it to the working man. The real Americans.

This is rich! Totally false, but hilarious all the same! But Fox isn't the only news source in that situation. Most American "news" sources are on the average not that great, from what I've gleaned from here and from my own observations (too... much... fucking... celebrity... gossip... )

All 40% of them? In a democracy, no, they don't count, as a matter of fact.

The United States isn't a democracy. On paper, it's a constitutional democratic republic. In practice, it's a kleptomaniacal authoritarian corporatocracy.

'Scuse, I'm not a neocon, and I didn't support Bush's bailouts, nor did I support Obama's bailouts. Last time we bailed out the economy en masse, the Great Depression happened.

Actually the last time we bailed out the economy en masse was in 1989 and we didn't enter a depression.

I did not know that. You learn something new every day.

[Survivors on Earth]

Hes intentionally destroying our economy (10% unemployment!) to use the crisis as an excuse to push his socialist agenda.

And this shows that you know jack shit about economics. Unemployment always lags behind the other indicators. It's always the last to show signs of recovery (source: Dr. Bill Goffe, SUNY Oswego).

He knew the bailout wouldnt work, it wasnt supposed to.

Yeah, I'm gonna need some proof for that.

And Glenn Beck is a great man, to whoever asked me. But hes not he only one you should listen to.

REAL news sources. Fox, rightwingnews.com, biggovernment.com to name a few. And yeah, I know, "lol fox isnt fair and balanced!". Typical liberal smear tactic.

To paraphrase the caption from that one LOLcat: Excuse me WTF r u smokin

There is less spin on Fox then there is on other networks. And the other networks spin it to the left. Fox spins it to the working man. The real Americans.

This is rich! Totally false, but hilarious all the same! But Fox isn't the only news source in that situation. Most American "news" sources are on the average not that great, from what I've gleaned from here and from my own observations (too... much... fucking... celebrity... gossip... )

All 40% of them? In a democracy, no, they don't count, as a matter of fact.

The United States isn't a democracy. On paper, it's a constitutional democratic republic. In practice, it's a kleptomaniacal authoritarian corporatocracy.

'Scuse, I'm not a neocon, and I didn't support Bush's bailouts, nor did I support Obama's bailouts. Last time we bailed out the economy en masse, the Great Depression happened.

Actually the last time we bailed out the economy en masse was in 1989 and we didn't enter a depression.

I did not know that. You learn something new every day.

i like u

[Barringtonia]

I wish people would remember that the bail-out was designed and implemented under President Bush, it was designed by someone whose name starts with a K but I'd need to hunt down that name. It was designed a year before the October crash and it was very little to do with President Obama.

EDIT: Neel Kashkari

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

I wish people would remember that the bail-out was designed and implemented under President Bush, it was designed by someone whose name starts with a K but I'd need to hunt down that name. It was designed a year before the October crash and it was very little to do with President Obama.

I didn't realize the bail out followed any design or plan at all. I distinctly remember Hank Paulson coming before Congress and saying
"WE NEED TO HAND OUT LOTS OF MONEY"

"How much?"

"$700 billion"

"How do you know that's how much we need?"

"Well, we're not really sure what we're going to do with it, but we just wanted to make sure it's a really big number."

[Barringtonia]

I wish people would remember that the bail-out was designed and implemented under President Bush, it was designed by someone whose name starts with a K but I'd need to hunt down that name. It was designed a year before the October crash and it was very little to do with President Obama.

I didn't realize the bail out followed any design or plan at all. I distinctly remember Hank Paulson coming before Congress and saying
"WE NEED TO HAND OUT LOTS OF MONEY"

"How much?"

"$700 billion"

"How do you know that's how much we need?"

"Well, we're not really sure what we're going to do with it, but we just wanted to make sure it's a really big number."

Actually the original plan estimated the need at US$500B and this was upped to US$1T when the true extent of the crisis was understood. Either Paulson, but I think Bernanke, said that US$1T was unfeasible to ask for politically, and risked delaying any action so they did, to some extent, pluck US$700B from thin air as an acceptable middle ground.

[Allebistan]

Hes intentionally destroying our economy (10% unemployment!) to use the crisis as an excuse to push his socialist agenda.

And this shows that you know jack shit about economics. Unemployment always lags behind the other indicators. It's always the last to show signs of recovery (source: Dr. Bill Goffe, SUNY Oswego).

He knew the bailout wouldnt work, it wasnt supposed to.

Yeah, I'm gonna need some proof for that.

And Glenn Beck is a great man, to whoever asked me. But hes not he only one you should listen to.

REAL news sources. Fox, rightwingnews.com, biggovernment.com to name a few. And yeah, I know, "lol fox isnt fair and balanced!". Typical liberal smear tactic.

To paraphrase the caption from that one LOLcat: Excuse me WTF r u smokin

There is less spin on Fox then there is on other networks. And the other networks spin it to the left. Fox spins it to the working man. The real Americans.

This is rich! Totally false, but hilarious all the same! But Fox isn't the only news source in that situation. Most American "news" sources are on the average not that great, from what I've gleaned from here and from my own observations (too... much... fucking... celebrity... gossip... )

All 40% of them? In a democracy, no, they don't count, as a matter of fact.

The United States isn't a democracy. On paper, it's a constitutional democratic republic. In practice, it's a kleptomaniacal authoritarian corporatocracy.

'Scuse, I'm not a neocon, and I didn't support Bush's bailouts, nor did I support Obama's bailouts. Last time we bailed out the economy en masse, the Great Depression happened.

Actually the last time we bailed out the economy en masse was in 1989 and we didn't enter a depression.

I did not know that. You learn something new every day.

i like u

Hail Milks Empire!!!!!

[Sibirsky]

It reduces the DEFICIT over 10 years.

By charging taxes for all 10, and paying for benefits for 7. I wish I could work for 10 years, and pay my bills for 7. Or at least pay my tax bill that way.

CBO source coming tomorrow. Too damn tired right now.

[Sibirsky]

To pay someone, it has to take form someone? Do you not understand this incredibly simple concept?

If I borrow 100 dollars from you for a year at 2% and lend it to someone else at 10%, did I spend any money?

The government is lending?

[Sibirsky]

This is bullshit. It was all over the media a few days ago that construction jobs have been lost since the stimulus passed.

Gee the Federal Capital is doing better when the Federal Government is expanding? SHOCKING!

If I start a business tomorrow and hire 3 people to work for me, but 300,000 other people lose their jobs because of a recession, does that mean I fired 299,997 people?

Of course not. And your point is?

[Sibirsky]

To pay someone, it has to take form someone? Do you not understand this incredibly simple concept?

Do you not understand the concepts of deficit spending and Keynsian economics?

I understand it very well. Something else I understand... it doesn't work.

[Gebeta]

Has he shut down GB prison yet?

George Bush has a prison?

its Guantomino Bay aka Gitmo
I think he need to stop blaming bush and make good on what he said

[Grave_n_idle]

It reduces the DEFICIT over 10 years.

By charging taxes for all 10, and paying for benefits for 7. I wish I could work for 10 years, and pay my bills for 7. Or at least pay my tax bill that way.

CBO source coming tomorrow. Too damn tired right now.

I'm not seeing how this is a bad thing. If it balances the books, where's the bad?

[Sibirsky]

I think he is funny in a terrible way.

Then again, he promised change you could believe in, not change you could actually see.

That's a good one!

Obama, it seems, is unwilling to work or compromise with anyone. His unwillingness to compromise will lead to the Democratic Party losing their majority in this year's midterms, and he will not be reelected in 2012. Following this, the Democrats will not regain a majority in Congress or retake the White House until sometime in the 2020s, if not later.

If the Republicans were not such hypocrites I would see this as a great thing. Since they are, I see it as a slight improvement.

[The Romulan Republic]

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[Grave_n_idle]

Has he shut down GB prison yet?

George Bush has a prison?

its Guantomino Bay aka Gitmo
I think he need to stop blaming bush and make good on what he said

I agree.

Now that we're out of the poor economy handed to us from the Bush admini.... oooh, we're not are we.

Okay, well, now that we're out of the two wars that they got us into..... oh, I see.


Hmm.

Do you think maybe we should worry about not blaming the previous administration ONCE the legacy of the former administration has been overcome?

Just a thought.

[Grave_n_idle]

To pay someone, it has to take form someone? Do you not understand this incredibly simple concept?

Do you not understand the concepts of deficit spending and Keynsian economics?

I understand it very well. Something else I understand... it doesn't work.

You understand deficit spending, but you think it doesn't work?

I have to say, then - you don't understand what you think you understand.

[Sibirsky]

and the Stimulus was supposed to create jobs.

It did create jobs.

Not the proposed millions that President Obama stated it will create.

Because most of it hasn't been spent...

and there for... the millions of jobs wern't created.

of course, my opinion of President Obama is that this is only his first year. I'll wait till the end of his second year before I pass judgement.

but so far... he's been pretty good. no real complaints.

No big international problems, no no war fronts, no Geneva scandals, no new Haliburton scandals, no new recessions, no new unemployment trends, a recovering stock market, movment towards bringing home troops on at least one front...

There's really not much to honestly bitch about.

On the other hand - a half-hearted healthare bill, an end to some of the worst humanitarian abuses of the previous decade, but no follow up, and a lot of wasted populist capital...

There's not much to honestly be excited about, either,


Generally, "mostly harmless", but yet to make any real impression.

Can you tell me why the stock market has been recovering?

[Neo Art]

To pay someone, it has to take form someone? Do you not understand this incredibly simple concept?

Do you not understand the concepts of deficit spending and Keynsian economics?

I understand it very well. Something else I understand... it doesn't work.

You understand deficit spending, but you think it doesn't work?

I have to say, then - you don't understand what you think you understand.

Don't you know ANYTHING? It doesn't work! The New Deal was a failure! Government spending didn't bring us out of the depression, world war II did! World War II, and the hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars that the government shunted into the economy as a result.

So government spending does NOTHING!

[Whole Conviction]

Hes intentionally destroying our economy (10% unemployment!) to use the crisis as an excuse to push his socialist agenda. He knew the bailout wouldnt work, it wasnt supposed to.


And Glenn Beck is a great man, to whoever asked me. But hes not he only one you should listen to.

Hang on.

WHO signed the bailout bill, exactly?

You do know the bailout was signed in 2008, didn't you?

Was Obama President then?

Hm, who was President in 2008... was he a damned socialist liberal pinko?

[Milks Empire]

Don't you know ANYTHING? It doesn't work! The New Deal was a failure! Government spending didn't bring us out of the depression, world war II did! World War II, and the hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars that the government shunted into the economy as a result.
So government spending does NOTHING!

You're legit funny!

[Sibirsky]

A socialist extremists who is matched in weakness abroad by his tyranny at home.

From which, I can safely deduce that you're either being satricial, or you just don't know what 'socialist' means.

Or 'extremist'.

Or 'weakness'.

Or 'tyranny'.


Wait - is English not your first language?

Pay attention to whats going on. REALLY pay attention. Dont just watch the mainstream media. Theyre his puppets.

haha wat a moron

You should probably learn to spell before calling someone a moron. You should also read the forum rules.