Obama

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

By charging taxes for 10 years and providing benefits for 7 years? Ok. What about the 2nd decade? And so on...

It reduces the DEFICIT over 10 years.

Cap and trade will not reduce emissions.

[citation needed]

Even if it does, according to the CBO it will create a permanent recession. Good stuff.

[citation needed]

The only thing the stimulus plan has done is to scare business from hiring, say business groups and economists.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/34825943

fixed.

[Allebistan]

Soory for hijacking, but how big of an army can I have with only 9 million total civilians?

Oh, and, I really like Obama, he's doing the best he can with a country inherited from George "Retard" Bush.

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

To pay someone, it has to take form someone? Do you not understand this incredibly simple concept?

If I borrow 100 dollars from you for a year at 2% and lend it to someone else at 10%, did I spend any money?

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

This is bullshit. It was all over the media a few days ago that construction jobs have been lost since the stimulus passed.

Gee the Federal Capital is doing better when the Federal Government is expanding? SHOCKING!

If I start a business tomorrow and hire 3 people to work for me, but 300,000 other people lose their jobs because of a recession, does that mean I fired 299,997 people?

[Inertina]

To pay someone, it has to take form someone? Do you not understand this incredibly simple concept?

Do you not understand the concepts of deficit spending and Keynsian economics?

[Nadkor]

He is an idiot.

This.

No more than bush.

Heck, add Bush, Beck and Palin's IQ together and you still won't get out of single figures or anywhere close to Obama's.

Give it a fucking rest.

Bush has 2 ivy league degrees...

That says more about the quality of the degrees than it does about the quality of the person.

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

and the Stimulus was supposed to create jobs.

It did create jobs.

Not the proposed millions that President Obama stated it will create.

Because most of it hasn't been spent...

[Pope Joan]

Here is a guy who has not even had a year in office and yet Rush and Glen were bashing him LAST MAT+RCH for DUBYA'S failures.

I wish he were less principled, and would fight those goons with their own dirty tactics.

[Arkinesia]

I think he is funny in a terrible way.

Then again, he promised change you could believe in, not change you could actually see.

That's a good one!

Obama, it seems, is unwilling to work or compromise with anyone. His unwillingness to compromise will lead to the Democratic Party losing their majority in this year's midterms, and he will not be reelected in 2012. Following this, the Democrats will not regain a majority in Congress or retake the White House until sometime in the 2020s, if not later.

[Helertia]

I think he is funny in a terrible way.

Then again, he promised change you could believe in, not change you could actually see.

That's a good one!

Obama, it seems, is unwilling to work or compromise with anyone. His unwillingness to compromise will lead to the Democratic Party losing their majority in this year's midterms, and he will not be reelected in 2012. Following this, the Democrats will not regain a majority in Congress or retake the White House until sometime in the 2020s, if not later.

Where did you get that from? He spent ages trying to find a comprimise between Democrats and Republicans, choose people from both parties to be in government... He's arguably the most inclusive President for a long time. The one's to are unwilling to compromise are the Republicans

[Karsol]

I think he is funny in a terrible way.

Then again, he promised change you could believe in, not change you could actually see.

That's a good one!

Obama, it seems, is unwilling to work or compromise with anyone. His unwillingness to compromise will lead to the Democratic Party losing their majority in this year's midterms, and he will not be reelected in 2012. Following this, the Democrats will not regain a majority in Congress or retake the White House until sometime in the 2020s, if not later.

He tried to compromise with the Health care bill, and it was promptly stripped naked and raped.

[Arkinesia]

I think he is funny in a terrible way.

Then again, he promised change you could believe in, not change you could actually see.

That's a good one!

Obama, it seems, is unwilling to work or compromise with anyone. His unwillingness to compromise will lead to the Democratic Party losing their majority in this year's midterms, and he will not be reelected in 2012. Following this, the Democrats will not regain a majority in Congress or retake the White House until sometime in the 2020s, if not later.

Where did you get that from? He spent ages trying to find a comprimise between Democrats and Republicans, choose people from both parties to be in government... He's arguably the most inclusive President for a long time. The one's to are unwilling to compromise are the Republicans

Hmm, I didn't see much compromise on the "MUCH-NEEDED BAILOUT@@@@@@" and I don't recall much compromise on the health care bill that wasn't morally reprehensible.

The fact is, he doesn't understand his electorate. Instead of realizing nobody wants his Almighty Blessed Health Care Legislation of the Gods, he just tries to ram it down Congress' collective throat.

All it will accomplish is the Democrats coming out of the midterms bloody and bruised for not just standing up to him and calling him a club-wielder.

[Inertina]

That's a good one!

Obama, it seems, is unwilling to work or compromise with anyone.

What do you call the stimulus bill, where over a third of it was made into tax cuts as part of a compromise to gain republican votes? Or the initial bipartisan health care negotiations, which fell apart after Chuck Grassley started falsely claiming death panels were part of the bill? Or how about the jettisoning of the public option, or the inclusion of tough abortion language? How is that not compromise?
It's not Obama's fault if Republicans are not willing to work with him. He's made a great deal of effort.

His unwillingness to compromise will lead to the Democratic Party losing their majority in this year's midterms, and he will not be reelected in 2012. Following this, the Democrats will not regain a majority in Congress or retake the White House until sometime in the 2020s, if not later.

This seems a lot like wishful thinking. Even most prognostications doubt Democrats will lose control of either house this election, though they are virtually guaranteed to lose seats. As for 2012, that's three years away. Future predictions in politics are virtually always blind guesses.

[Pope Joan]

Dubya invented the bailouts and his neocon supporters marched in step.

How quickly we rewrite history!

[Helertia]

I think he is funny in a terrible way.

Then again, he promised change you could believe in, not change you could actually see.

That's a good one!

Obama, it seems, is unwilling to work or compromise with anyone. His unwillingness to compromise will lead to the Democratic Party losing their majority in this year's midterms, and he will not be reelected in 2012. Following this, the Democrats will not regain a majority in Congress or retake the White House until sometime in the 2020s, if not later.

Where did you get that from? He spent ages trying to find a comprimise between Democrats and Republicans, choose people from both parties to be in government... He's arguably the most inclusive President for a long time. The one's to are unwilling to compromise are the Republicans

Hmm, I didn't see much compromise on the "MUCH-NEEDED BAILOUT@@@@@@" and I don't recall much compromise on the health care bill that wasn't morally reprehensible.

The fact is, he doesn't understand his electorate. Instead of realizing nobody wants his Almighty Blessed Health Care Legislation of the Gods, he just tries to ram it down Congress' collective throat.

All it will accomplish is the Democrats coming out of the midterms bloody and bruised for not just standing up to him and calling him a club-wielder.

He had to to take quick action on the bailout front, as I'm sure you know. He made a snap descision that appears to have had some effect. And he tried to compromise on the Healthcare Bill, but as you demonstrated, the right doesn't want a compromise here. They just want to shoot it down in flames, as you evidently do

[Batuni]

Hmm, I didn't see much compromise on the "MUCH-NEEDED BAILOUT@@@@@@" and I don't recall much compromise on the health care bill that wasn't morally reprehensible.

The fact is, he doesn't understand his electorate. Instead of realizing nobody wants his Almighty Blessed Health Care Legislation of the Gods, he just tries to ram it down Congress' collective throat.

All it will accomplish is the Democrats coming out of the midterms bloody and bruised for not just standing up to him and calling him a club-wielder.

Well, apart from all those people that do, of course, but clearly they don't count...

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

To pay someone, it has to take form someone? Do you not understand this incredibly simple concept?

Do you not understand the concepts of deficit spending and Keynsian economics?

You don't have to be a Keynesian to reject the treasury view

In fact, a very simple monetarist economic model leads you to reject the treasury view. Unless, of course, you consider Milton Friedman to be a Keynesian, then the term loses all meaning.

[JuNii]

and the Stimulus was supposed to create jobs.

It did create jobs.

Not the proposed millions that President Obama stated it will create.

Because most of it hasn't been spent...

and there for... the millions of jobs wern't created.

of course, my opinion of President Obama is that this is only his first year. I'll wait till the end of his second year before I pass judgement.

but so far... he's been pretty good. no real complaints.

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

and the Stimulus was supposed to create jobs.

It did create jobs.

Not the proposed millions that President Obama stated it will create.

Because most of it hasn't been spent...

and there for... the millions of jobs wern't created.

So your complaint is that Obama's stimulus isn't working faster than he said it would?

[Grave_n_idle]

and the Stimulus was supposed to create jobs.

It did create jobs.

Not the proposed millions that President Obama stated it will create.

Because most of it hasn't been spent...

and there for... the millions of jobs wern't created.

of course, my opinion of President Obama is that this is only his first year. I'll wait till the end of his second year before I pass judgement.

but so far... he's been pretty good. no real complaints.

No big international problems, no no war fronts, no Geneva scandals, no new Haliburton scandals, no new recessions, no new unemployment trends, a recovering stock market, movment towards bringing home troops on at least one front...

There's really not much to honestly bitch about.

On the other hand - a half-hearted healthare bill, an end to some of the worst humanitarian abuses of the previous decade, but no follow up, and a lot of wasted populist capital...

There's not much to honestly be excited about, either,


Generally, "mostly harmless", but yet to make any real impression.

[The Black Forrest]

He is an idiot.

This.

No more than bush.

Heck, add Bush, Beck and Palin's IQ together and you still won't get out of single figures or anywhere close to Obama's.

Give it a fucking rest.

Bush has 2 ivy league degrees...

The Ivy league seems rather lax in their grading system.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Genuine question.

Didn't Regan's people get convicted on many things. As in many of his people?

For some reason my scraggly pre-Alzheimer brain remembers something.....

I'm sure they probably did.... but people were working and the economy was booming.

There is a reason the 80's were called the "Decade of Decadence" and the 90's were the most depressing decade ever.

[citation needed]

vs


Nuff said.

[The Black Forrest]

Obama is an impotent puppet of the oligarchy controlling the nation. None of his policies nor his campaign promises have come to fruition.

Yet another failed president.

I miss Reagan.

He's been in for a year and has been somewhat distracted by this thing called the economy.

Which he has done nothing to fix and everything to worsen. It is VERY easy to fix the economy. GET OUT OF THE WAY. Reduce or eliminate payroll taxes and capital gains taxes. Reduce regulations on doing business.

Rather, Obama is doing (or supporting) the exact opposite. Cap and trade is NOT good for the economy. Bailouts are NOT good for the economy. Universal Health care is NOT good for the economy. Supporting Unions is NOT good for the economy.

edit: Expanding the GOVMT is NOT good for the economy either.

KMA is 100% correct on this.

Ohhh the free market fairy argument.

Hey can you send the fairy over to my street, several people out of work and those poor oppressed millionaires don't seem to be creating jobs here. Everywhere else but not here.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Obama is an impotent puppet of the oligarchy controlling the nation. None of his policies nor his campaign promises have come to fruition.

Yet another failed president.

I miss Reagan.

He's been in for a year and has been somewhat distracted by this thing called the economy.

Which he has done nothing to fix and everything to worsen. It is VERY easy to fix the economy. GET OUT OF THE WAY. Reduce or eliminate payroll taxes and capital gains taxes. Reduce regulations on doing business.

Rather, Obama is doing (or supporting) the exact opposite. Cap and trade is NOT good for the economy. Bailouts are NOT good for the economy. Universal Health care is NOT good for the economy. Supporting Unions is NOT good for the economy.

edit: Expanding the GOVMT is NOT good for the economy either.

KMA is 100% correct on this.

Ohhh the free market fairy argument.

Hey can you send the fairy over to my street, several people out of work and those poor oppressed millionaires don't seem to be creating jobs here. Everywhere else but not here.

Not creating jobs because they dont know what that job will cost them. Not knowing how much things cost is umm... the governments business. That makes real companies go OUT of business.

[Grave_n_idle]

He is an idiot.

This.

No more than bush.

Heck, add Bush, Beck and Palin's IQ together and you still won't get out of single figures or anywhere close to Obama's.

Give it a fucking rest.

Bush has 2 ivy league degrees...

The Ivy league seems rather lax in their grading system.

History and Business Admin, wasn't it? So - not courses that are graded to the rigour of hard sciences, maybe.