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by United Russian State » Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:30 am
The only reason that the Red Army "lost" Afghanistan, was due to interference from the Kremlin, and lack of manpower and supplies
by The Final Rome » Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:41 am
by Ascon » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:47 am
Sun Aut Ex wrote:Gorbachev, for dismantling that big fat box of shit.
by F1-Insanity » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:49 pm
Grave_n_idle wrote:I do find myself wondering if Gorbachev is performing so strongly in the poll because he was the effective death knell of the Soviet Union... or just because a lot of NSer's probably have him as their only reference point?
by Grave_n_idle » Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:35 pm
F1-Insanity wrote:Grave_n_idle wrote:I do find myself wondering if Gorbachev is performing so strongly in the poll because he was the effective death knell of the Soviet Union... or just because a lot of NSer's probably have him as their only reference point?
Could be both. But there seems to be a misunderstanding, Gorbachev neither dismantled nor wanted to dismantle the Soviet Union. Yeltsin dismantled it by blocking the august 1991 hardliner coup and then ignoring Gorbachev, and signing the december 1991 treaty that dismantled the Soviet Union.
by Shofercia » Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:48 pm
Ascon wrote:Sun Aut Ex wrote:Gorbachev, for dismantling that big fat box of shit.
... like he did it on purpose...
Gorbachev was overthrown and placed under house arrest. It ain't like he led the revolution, guys. If anything, that was about the time Yeltzin achieved bigtime status and eclipsed Gorbachev almost instantly.
Grave_n_idle wrote:F1-Insanity wrote:Grave_n_idle wrote:I do find myself wondering if Gorbachev is performing so strongly in the poll because he was the effective death knell of the Soviet Union... or just because a lot of NSer's probably have him as their only reference point?
Could be both. But there seems to be a misunderstanding, Gorbachev neither dismantled nor wanted to dismantle the Soviet Union. Yeltsin dismantled it by blocking the august 1991 hardliner coup and then ignoring Gorbachev, and signing the december 1991 treaty that dismantled the Soviet Union.
I wasn't actually saying that he dismantled the Soviet Union - just that a lot of posters might associate him with the end. Maybe - that's what my question was about.
by Oslea » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:08 pm
by Scriptless » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:16 pm
North Suran wrote:And "doing something against the mafias"? Putin's a gangster. Over here, we'd call that a turf war.
by Blitzkrenia » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:17 pm
Scriptless wrote:Stalin.
'Cos he's sexy
by Imperial Domtopia » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:27 pm
by New Ziedrich » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:00 am
by Burchadinger » Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:38 am
by Shofercia » Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:41 am
Oslea wrote:Looking at solely a Western perspective, Gorbachev. Seeing as how he got those freedoms n' all.
by Burchadinger » Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:54 am
The Ahemalt Outcasts wrote:You mean they really had a good one?
by South Norwega » Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:58 am
The Final Rome wrote:They didn't HAVE a best leader. In fact, they had no leader. Everyone had equal power, except for a small government who's members where "Firsts among equals." In theory. In reality, they just didn't have a best leader.
by Burchadinger » Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:00 am
South Norwega wrote:The Final Rome wrote:They didn't HAVE a best leader. In fact, they had no leader. Everyone had equal power, except for a small government who's members where "Firsts among equals." In theory. In reality, they just didn't have a best leader.
You do know that best means better than all the rest, but not necessarily good?
by Benzei » Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:06 am
by Sypian » Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:22 am
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