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Seperates
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Postby Seperates » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:24 pm

Menassa wrote:
Seperates wrote:Hah...

Wait. How will we bring about the Messiah?

Either by waiting around till the year 6000 or by us doing good and by us I mean Jews.... because the Gentiles aren't really in any exile.

6000 years by what standard?
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Xathranaar
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Postby Xathranaar » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:24 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Menassa wrote:Then my friend that is just plain Idol worship right there.

NNNNOOOPPPPEEEE. 1 God, 1 Savior who is the Son of God, and 1 Spirit of God.

Idol Worship is worshiping an object.

So it's not idol worship if I just worship another god without the use of objects?
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:24 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Menassa wrote:I wonder what would happen if I went to a church wearing a guillotine around my neck.

(I hope this isn't in poor taste)......or a furnace.

They were ovens, not furnaces, and people would probably not understand the reference. Now, wearing something that says "Arbeit Macht Frei" to a synagogue is certainly in bad taste.

@Menassa: What would the guillotine symbolize?
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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:24 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Menassa wrote:Then my friend that is just plain Idol worship right there.

NNNNOOOPPPPEEEE. 1 God, 1 Savior who is the Son of God, and 1 Spirit of God.

Idol Worship is worshiping an object.

Not really, worshiping the forces of nature is still Idol worship.

The Savior that you worship would be the Idol He's the Son, Savior, and Self? That's a bit odd.
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:25 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Vazdania wrote:(I hope this isn't in poor taste)......or a furnace.

They were ovens, not furnaces, and people would probably not understand the reference. Now, wearing something that says "Arbeit Macht Frei" to a synagogue is certainly in bad taste.

@Menassa: What would the guillotine symbolize?

It's a device used to kill people.... just like the cross.
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Dieu Vous Benisse
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Postby Dieu Vous Benisse » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:25 pm

Menassa wrote:
Seperates wrote:Hah...

Wait. How will we bring about the Messiah?

Either by waiting around till the year 6000 or by us doing good and by us I mean Jews.... because the Gentiles aren't really in any exile.

Dont you all have to move to Israel?

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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:26 pm

Seperates wrote:
Menassa wrote:Either by waiting around till the year 6000 or by us doing good and by us I mean Jews.... because the Gentiles aren't really in any exile.

6000 years by what standard?

Ours.... I believe it's 5772 or is it 5773? I think three but I may be wrong.

Edit: It's 5773.
Last edited by Menassa on Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Vazdania
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Postby Vazdania » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:26 pm

Xathranaar wrote:
Vazdania wrote:NNNNOOOPPPPEEEE. 1 God, 1 Savior who is the Son of God, and 1 Spirit of God.

Idol Worship is worshiping an object.

So it's not idol worship if I just worship another god without the use of objects?


You shall have no other Gods but me.

And I don't see Jesus/Yeshua El-Elyon as God, but rather the Son of God.
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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:27 pm

Dieu Vous Benisse wrote:
Menassa wrote:Either by waiting around till the year 6000 or by us doing good and by us I mean Jews.... because the Gentiles aren't really in any exile.

Dont you all have to move to Israel?

No, that's one criteria of the Messiah.... which Jesus did not do.
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Xathranaar
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Postby Xathranaar » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:27 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Xathranaar wrote:So it's not idol worship if I just worship another god without the use of objects?


You shall have no other Gods but me.

And I don't see Jesus/Yeshua El-Elyon as God, but rather the Son of God.

That doesn't answer the question. Would it be idolatry?
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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:27 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Xathranaar wrote:So it's not idol worship if I just worship another god without the use of objects?


You shall have no other Gods but me.

And I don't see Jesus/Yeshua El-Elyon as God, but rather the Son of God.

So you worship God's son?

Would that not be the same as worshiping Hercules?
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Seperates
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Postby Seperates » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:28 pm

Menassa wrote:
Seperates wrote:6000 years by what standard?

Ours.... I believe it's 5772 or is it 5773? I think three but I may be wrong.

Edit: It's 5773.

'Ours' meaning BC/CE or do the Jews have some sort of alternative calender?
Or is it Namekian years?
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Postby Vazdania » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:28 pm

Menassa wrote:
Vazdania wrote:NNNNOOOPPPPEEEE. 1 God, 1 Savior who is the Son of God, and 1 Spirit of God.

Idol Worship is worshiping an object.

Not really, worshiping the forces of nature is still Idol worship.

The Savior that you worship would be the Idol He's the Son, Savior, and Self? That's a bit odd.


No, just the Son and Savior. Dual 'personality' as He is both Human and Son of God at the same time.
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We Monarchists Stand With The Morals Of The Past, As We Hatch Impossible Treasons Against The Present.

They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

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Postby Seperates » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:29 pm

Menassa wrote:
Vazdania wrote:
You shall have no other Gods but me.

And I don't see Jesus/Yeshua El-Elyon as God, but rather the Son of God.

So you worship God's son?

Would that not be the same as worshiping Hercules?

You can do that. He is the god of physical strength and heros.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:29 pm

Seperates wrote:
Menassa wrote:Ours.... I believe it's 5772 or is it 5773? I think three but I may be wrong.

Edit: It's 5773.

'Ours' meaning BC/CE or do the Jews have some sort of alternative calender?
Or is it Namekian years?

The Jews use the A.M. Calender which erroneously translates into 'Year of our world'

It has been 5773 since the completion of Adam.

leaving plenty of room for evolution.
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:29 pm

Menassa wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:They were ovens, not furnaces, and people would probably not understand the reference. Now, wearing something that says "Arbeit Macht Frei" to a synagogue is certainly in bad taste.

@Menassa: What would the guillotine symbolize?

It's a device used to kill people.... just like the cross.

Ah. I don't think people would get that, either. Over the past 2,000 years the cross has lost its meaning as an execution device. It certainly has for Christians.
Make Earth Great Again: Stop Continental Drift!
And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo ... Ashmoria (Freedom ... or cake)
This is the eighth line. If your signature is longer, it's too long.

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Seperates
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Postby Seperates » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:29 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Menassa wrote:Not really, worshiping the forces of nature is still Idol worship.

The Savior that you worship would be the Idol He's the Son, Savior, and Self? That's a bit odd.


No, just the Son and Savior. Dual 'personality' as He is both Human and Son of God at the same time.

So it's just a guy with Disociative Identity Disorder.

Poor chap...
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:30 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Menassa wrote:Not really, worshiping the forces of nature is still Idol worship.

The Savior that you worship would be the Idol He's the Son, Savior, and Self? That's a bit odd.


No, just the Son and Savior. Dual 'personality' as He is both Human and Son of God at the same time.

I'm confused how you can worship two beings and it not be idol worship.
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:30 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Menassa wrote:It's a device used to kill people.... just like the cross.

Ah. I don't think people would get that, either. Over the past 2,000 years the cross has lost its meaning as an execution device. It certainly has for Christians.

Emes
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Seperates
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Postby Seperates » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:30 pm

Menassa wrote:
Seperates wrote:'Ours' meaning BC/CE or do the Jews have some sort of alternative calender?
Or is it Namekian years?

The Jews use the A.M. Calender which erroneously translates into 'Year of our world'

It has been 5773 since the completion of Adam.

leaving plenty of room for evolution.

Ignoring all fossil evidence...
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

"The most important fact about us: that we are greater than the institutions and cultures we build."--Roberto Mangabeira Unger

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Postby Vazdania » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:31 pm

Menassa wrote:
Vazdania wrote:
You shall have no other Gods but me.

And I don't see Jesus/Yeshua El-Elyon as God, but rather the Son of God.

So you worship God's son?

Would that not be the same as worshiping Hercules?

No. I do not worship God's son. I worship God, I rejoice in God's son and his gift that he brought with him.
NSG's Resident Constitutional Executive Monarchist!
We Monarchists Stand With The Morals Of The Past, As We Hatch Impossible Treasons Against The Present.

They Have No Voice; So I will Speak For Them. The Right To Life Is Fundamental To All Humans Regardless Of How Developed They Are. Pro-Woman. Pro-Child. Pro-Life.

NSG's Newest Vegetarian!

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Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:31 pm

Seperates wrote:
Menassa wrote:The Jews use the A.M. Calender which erroneously translates into 'Year of our world'

It has been 5773 since the completion of Adam.

leaving plenty of room for evolution.

Ignoring all fossil evidence...

Because of a boiling flood that happened.... but let's not open that can of worms.
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Xathranaar
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Postby Xathranaar » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:31 pm

Menassa wrote:
Seperates wrote:'Ours' meaning BC/CE or do the Jews have some sort of alternative calender?
Or is it Namekian years?

The Jews use the A.M. Calender which erroneously translates into 'Year of our world'

It has been 5773 since the completion of Adam.

leaving plenty of room for evolution.

No, not really.
My views summarized.
The Gospel According to Queen.
It is possible that some of my posts may not be completely serious.

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Menassa
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Founded: Aug 11, 2010
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:31 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Menassa wrote:So you worship God's son?

Would that not be the same as worshiping Hercules?

No. I do not worship God's son. I worship God, I rejoice in God's son and his gift that he brought with him.

Gift of?
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:32 pm

Xathranaar wrote:
Menassa wrote:The Jews use the A.M. Calender which erroneously translates into 'Year of our world'

It has been 5773 since the completion of Adam.

leaving plenty of room for evolution.

No, not really.

Again, there is an argument that when it says 6 days it does not mean 6-24 hour periods but rather a biblical day... which is skeptical.
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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