Now see 'ere, you flibbertigibbets.
Freedom of Association, sure.
Freedom of Rigging Elections, Skimming Money, and Lying To The Public, not so much.
And if that's legal... Well, then no. Just no.
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by Samuraikoku » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:00 am
The Rich Port wrote:Now see 'ere, you flibbertigibbets.
Freedom of Association, sure.
Freedom of Rigging Elections, Skimming Money, and Lying To The Public, not so much.
And if that's legal... Well, then no. Just no.
by The Rich Port » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:06 am
Ifreann wrote:The Rich Port wrote:
Now see 'ere, you flibbertigibbets.
Freedom of Association, sure.
Freedom of Rigging Elections, Skimming Money, and Lying To The Public, not so much.
And if that's legal... Well, then no. Just no.
You can't disband the Republican or Democratic parties over allegations of election rigging or misappropriating funds. You can put the responsible individuals within those organisations in jail, if they're tried and convicted, but that's about it.
Oh, and lying to the public probably is completely legal, depending on what, exactly, you're lying about.
by Socialist EU » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:11 am
by Ifreann » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:12 am
The Rich Port wrote:Ifreann wrote:You can't disband the Republican or Democratic parties over allegations of election rigging or misappropriating funds. You can put the responsible individuals within those organisations in jail, if they're tried and convicted, but that's about it.
Oh, and lying to the public probably is completely legal, depending on what, exactly, you're lying about.
I'm not sure the RICO laws have a "political party" exemption.
by Farnhamia » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:14 am
by Xeng He » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:16 am
West Vandengaarde wrote:Pretty damn sure drugs aren't as important as solving 1. The economy,
2. the crises in the middle east,
and 3. our trade with the rest of the world.
, but not talking about what you want them to talk about =/= not talking about anything important. Get out of your self-centered little universe, and see that some things are more important than drugs. Thanks.
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by Free South Califas » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:19 am
by New Chalcedon » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:24 am
Ifreann wrote:The Rich Port wrote:
Now see 'ere, you flibbertigibbets.
Freedom of Association, sure.
Freedom of Rigging Elections, Skimming Money, and Lying To The Public, not so much.
And if that's legal... Well, then no. Just no.
You can't disband the Republican or Democratic parties over allegations of election rigging or misappropriating funds. You can put the responsible individuals within those organisations in jail, if they're tried and convicted, but that's about it.
Oh, and lying to the public probably is completely legal, depending on what, exactly, you're lying about.
by Soheran » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:26 am
by Farnhamia » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:27 am
Xeng He wrote:First of all, wow.
I love how you automatically assume that I'm a druggie beeause I'm worried about an issue that seriously screws people's lives up because of one minor decision. Totally the only reason I could care, right?West Vandengaarde wrote:Pretty damn sure drugs aren't as important as solving 1. The economy,
They're more important, actually.
The absolute biggest problem the economy today could directly cause...is a loss of ability to work.
Incidentally, going to jail on drug charges causes the exact same problem, and costs non-users more, in both money and focus on other crimes.2. the crises in the middle east,
I don't see why the two are mutually exclusive.and 3. our trade with the rest of the world.
Has Congress seriously discussed this with intent to bring about major change?, but not talking about what you want them to talk about =/= not talking about anything important. Get out of your self-centered little universe, and see that some things are more important than drugs. Thanks.
Okay, fine. I'll rephrase: Congress only talks about certain important things. Other important things, though like the war on Drugs, like farther-reaching amnesty, like factory farming, which you cannot say my interest in is self centered because I'm neither a small farmer nor a pig...we get nothing.
by Socialist EU » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:29 am
by Xeng He » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:34 am
Soheran wrote:No. We should make political parties stronger. Voters who "vote for the candidate, not for the party," and candidates who base their campaigns on appeal to this sort of voter, generally undermine democracy; abolishing political parties would make that the only story.
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by Saluterre » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:45 am
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by Socialist EU » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:52 am
Saluterre wrote:Socialist EU wrote:
I'm not American of course, but I see no reason why the SPUSA cannot put it in their platform, (Front Gauche proposed this for the French elections)
French system =/= American system. And this is coming from a Melenchon supporter. And the SPUSA has bigger things to worry about, like somehow wrestling the country from the grip of a corrupt plutocracy despite having less than 5,000 members. Again, this is coming from one of those 5,000 members.
by Xeng He » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:52 am
Farnhamia wrote:It is a citizen's responsibility to informs their elected representatives which issues are important to them. These people in Congress are not telepathic: you need to tell them which issues you care about and what you think should be done. If you do not do so, you have no cause for complaint when they do not address those issues.
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by Saluterre » Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:48 am
Socialist EU wrote:Saluterre wrote:
French system =/= American system. And this is coming from a Melenchon supporter. And the SPUSA has bigger things to worry about, like somehow wrestling the country from the grip of a corrupt plutocracy despite having less than 5,000 members. Again, this is coming from one of those 5,000 members.
I wish you all the best of luck in the elections, I'd be interested to see what percentage of the vote your party gets and whether they increase their vote count.*
*Of course, using 'official' election results doesn't give you a very good idea of how they went, they're often referred to as 'other'.
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