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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:33 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:I'm a pretty lazy fucker and even I have a hard time considering not going somewhere 'effort'.

Well to hear the homophobes tell it, not going to gay weddings is just about the hardest thing in the universe to pull off, so maybe not-doing things is the new doing things.

That makes a scary amount of sense.
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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:33 pm

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If seeking equal rights is an Agenda then I proudly support it.
I just feel the time effort and money spent getting the word out and boycotting/protesting Chick-fil-a could be spent to better uses such as getting out the vote. Strategically I think spending time and energy boycotting/protesting Chick-fil-a would improve Romney's chances to win.

We can do both. Really. There are more than a couple of people down at Headquarters. ;)


But there is only a finite number of people, time, and money. Resources are scarce when one is competing against super PACs. The key to victory has always been to pick your battles and win small steps. Hence why the civil rights movement took Decades. First desegregate the schools, then the buses, then the lunch counters. Fighting every battle offered by GOP cronies when they get some free airtime is a sure way to loose the war.

If I were Karl Rove, I would have a few more of these CEOs put their foot in their mouths.
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Postby Gauntleted Fist » Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:38 pm

greed and death wrote:But there is only a finite number of people, time, and money. Resources are scarce when one is competing against super PACs. The key to victory has always been to pick your battles and win small steps. Hence why the civil rights movement took Decades. First desegregate the schools, then the buses, then the lunch counters. Fighting every battle offered by GOP cronies when they get some free airtime is a sure way to loose the war.

If I were Karl Rove, I would have a few more of these CEOs put their foot in their mouths.

Except most CEOs have enough time, money, and political support to tell Karl Rove to go fuck himself if it makes them happy? Karl Rove is not god (Or even an actual representative of the GOP), and his money means shit to people like Dan Cathy. I don't get why people are surprised that Cathy is anti-gay. He's never been shy about showing just how much of a religious person he is.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:17 pm

Gauntleted Fist wrote:I don't get why people are surprised that Cathy is anti-gay. He's never been shy about showing just how much of a religious person he is.

Is 'surprise' really the reaction that's being had? I don't know if my reaction...I can't account for others...could be classified as 'surprise'. Well, first of all, I never even heard of this dude until he made news about taunting god or some such shit. And, if I had been pressed until recently I wouldn't have been 100% sure I knew if Chick-fil-a was a food or a place.

So finding out a week after I had set foot in Chick-fil-a for the first time that the founder is homophobic religious zealot guy...I don't know that it registers as surprise or how the long history of this guy I never heard of would really have factored in to my reaction.

No, I don't know that the issue is 'surprise,' I don't see a lot of repsondents here going, "Oh, what happened Cathy, we thought you were cool!"
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Postby Bottle » Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:31 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Gauntleted Fist wrote:I don't get why people are surprised that Cathy is anti-gay. He's never been shy about showing just how much of a religious person he is.

Is 'surprise' really the reaction that's being had? I don't know if my reaction...I can't account for others...could be classified as 'surprise'. Well, first of all, I never even heard of this dude until he made news about taunting god or some such shit. And, if I had been pressed until recently I wouldn't have been 100% sure I knew if Chick-fil-a was a food or a place.

So finding out a week after I had set foot in Chick-fil-a for the first time that the founder is homophobic religious zealot guy...I don't know that it registers as surprise or how the long history of this guy I never heard of would really have factored in to my reaction.

No, I don't know that the issue is 'surprise,' I don't see a lot of repsondents here going, "Oh, what happened Cathy, we thought you were cool!"

Because I am an optimist at heart (no really), my default assumption is that a person is decent, unless/until I am presented with evidence to the contrary. Thus, I don't walk around assuming people are homophobes. I don't assume they're pro-gay-rights either, I just give them a default starting point of "not an asshole."

Now, at the same time, I live in America. So when somebody opens their mouth and provides me with a pile of evidence that they are, in fact, an asshole, my reaction is many things but it most certainly cannot be accurately termed "surprise."

Cathy acted like an asshole, and now people are saying "What an asshole!" Sounds like a pretty appropriate level of reaction to me. Nobody's bombing his stores, nobody's attacking his children, nobody's passing laws to revoke his marriage license, nobody's campaigning to strip him of his right to vote, nobody's sending militarized police units in to turn the fire hoses on him. Just a lot of people saying "Yep, that right there is an asshole!" I am cheered by the good judgment of my fellow citizens.
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Postby Gauntleted Fist » Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:33 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:Is 'surprise' really the reaction that's being had?

Pretty much. Everyone seems quite taken aback that a company whose corporate purpose statement is to glorify God and be good stewards of all things on Earth has a president that's anti-gay and also quite religious.

Cannot think of a name wrote:I don't know if my reaction...I can't account for others...could be classified as 'surprise'. Well, first of all, I never even heard of this dude until he made news about taunting god or some such shit. And, if I had been pressed until recently I wouldn't have been 100% sure I knew if Chick-fil-a was a food or a place.

So finding out a week after I had set foot in Chick-fil-a for the first time that the founder is homophobic religious zealot guy...I don't know that it registers as surprise or how the long history of this guy I never heard of would really have factored in to my reaction.

No, I don't know that the issue is 'surprise,' I don't see a lot of repsondents here going, "Oh, what happened Cathy, we thought you were cool!"

Would you say they were offended, then?

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:39 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:Is 'surprise' really the reaction that's being had?

Pretty much. Everyone seems quite taken aback that a company whose corporate purpose statement is to glorify God and be good stewards of all things on Earth has a president that's anti-gay and also quite religious.

You are apparently operating on a different definition of 'surprise' than I am.
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Cannot think of a name wrote:I don't know if my reaction...I can't account for others...could be classified as 'surprise'. Well, first of all, I never even heard of this dude until he made news about taunting god or some such shit. And, if I had been pressed until recently I wouldn't have been 100% sure I knew if Chick-fil-a was a food or a place.

So finding out a week after I had set foot in Chick-fil-a for the first time that the founder is homophobic religious zealot guy...I don't know that it registers as surprise or how the long history of this guy I never heard of would really have factored in to my reaction.

No, I don't know that the issue is 'surprise,' I don't see a lot of repsondents here going, "Oh, what happened Cathy, we thought you were cool!"

Would you say they were offended, then?

Put off? Not feeling like I particularly need to support this cat and his ideals by eating his shitty chicken? Is there a 'mood' I need to hit to meet with your approval?
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Postby Gauntleted Fist » Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:07 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:You are apparently operating on a different definition of 'surprise' than I am.

It is quite possible. I have boycotted the company for almost four years now though, so I guess this sudden magnification of the issue just seems outlandish. Here is your sacrificial lamb, please come slaughter it type deal.

Cannot think of a name wrote:Put off? Not feeling like I particularly need to support this cat and his ideals by eating his shitty chicken?

That sounds good, and you probably shouldn't support companies you disagree with. Sounds quite sensible.

Cannot think of a name wrote:Is there a 'mood' I need to hit to meet with your approval?

Celebratory. That way you can be happy and donate a large amount of money to the make GF richer fund.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:33 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:You are apparently operating on a different definition of 'surprise' than I am.

It is quite possible. I have boycotted the company for almost four years now though, so I guess this sudden magnification of the issue just seems outlandish. Here is your sacrificial lamb, please come slaughter it type deal.

Are you trying to tell us you were boycotting Chick-fil-a before it was cool? Did you do it while listening to demo tapes and shaping your ironic mustache?
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Cannot think of a name wrote:Put off? Not feeling like I particularly need to support this cat and his ideals by eating his shitty chicken?

That sounds good, and you probably shouldn't support companies you disagree with. Sounds quite sensible.

Then what's all the hubub, bub?
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Cannot think of a name wrote:Is there a 'mood' I need to hit to meet with your approval?

Celebratory. That way you can be happy and donate a large amount of money to the make GF richer fund.

Good luck with that.
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Postby Gauntleted Fist » Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:37 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:Are you trying to tell us you were boycotting Chick-fil-a before it was cool?

Yes, that is precisely what I am trying to tell you because I am a tremendous asshole who thinks people should learn a little about the companies they patronize before doing so.

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Postby Nidaria » Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:44 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:Are you trying to tell us you were boycotting Chick-fil-a before it was cool?

Yes, that is precisely what I am trying to tell you because I am a tremendous asshole who thinks people should learn a little about the companies they patronize before doing so.

If anything, this developement will make more people visit Chick-fil-a. NationStates does not resemble the real world.
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Postby Raeyh » Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:46 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:Are you trying to tell us you were boycotting Chick-fil-a before it was cool?

Yes, that is precisely what I am trying to tell you because I am a tremendous asshole who thinks people should learn a little about the companies they patronize before doing so.


Everyone knows that Microsoft is evil, but I don't see them switching over to Linux. I don't think many people care if they buy from someone who is morally bankrupt.

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Postby Wikkiwallana » Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:20 pm

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But you did nothing positive for homosexuals personally.

You know how in a Western when they're introducing characters at a bar scene and someone says something and then all of a sudden everyone backs away from that person and looks at the menacing looking gunfighter on the other side of the room...?

I know I'm hiding behind an overturned table.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:28 pm

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Gauntleted Fist wrote:Yes, that is precisely what I am trying to tell you because I am a tremendous asshole who thinks people should learn a little about the companies they patronize before doing so.

If anything, this developement will make more people visit Chick-fil-a. NationStates does not resemble the real world.

Try looking up polling numbers on how many people support gay marriage in America.
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Postby Northern Dominus » Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:36 pm

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Nidaria wrote:If anything, this developement will make more people visit Chick-fil-a. NationStates does not resemble the real world.

Try looking up polling numbers on how many people support gay marriage in America.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:02 pm

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Nidaria wrote:If anything, this developement will make more people visit Chick-fil-a. NationStates does not resemble the real world.

Try looking up polling numbers on how many people support gay marriage in America.


its like 53 - 47 against isn't it?
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Postby Death Metal » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:15 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:What effort?

The effort spent driving .5 a blocks farther down the KFC.


Actually, KFC is .5 blocks away from me.

I don't eat there either though. Not for political reasons, just that their chicken has given me the runs and/or vomiting on several occasions.
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Postby Northern Dominus » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:19 pm

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greed and death wrote:The effort spent driving .5 a blocks farther down the KFC.


Actually, KFC is .5 blocks away from me.

I don't eat there either though. Not for political reasons, just that their chicken has given me the runs and/or vomiting on several occasions.
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Postby Roan Cara » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:22 pm

TaQud wrote:What do you expect? The Owner is Christian so they would probably oppose same-sex marriage...

this is an ignorant statement at best, many christians support gay marriage president Obama for one. There are also gay pastors of christian churches. As for the muppet boycott, I think both are stupid, keep your personal beliefs/opinions out of your public business practices, that is more professional imo.
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Postby Death Metal » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:22 pm

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Actually, KFC is .5 blocks away from me.

I don't eat there either though. Not for political reasons, just that their chicken has given me the runs and/or vomiting on several occasions.
Well then support your local fried chicken eatery then, like I do.


But... we don't have one. :(

We do have Popeyes though. Good, not supported by a bigot (far as I'm aware anyway), and has yet to give me mild food poisoning!
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Postby Northern Dominus » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:23 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Northern Dominus wrote: Well then support your local fried chicken eatery then, like I do.


But... we don't have one. :(

We do have Popeyes though. Good, not supported by a bigot (far as I'm aware anyway), and has yet to give me mild food poisoning!
I can help solve this, do you live in a big metropolitan area? Or if not which is the closest one?
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Postby Death Metal » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:31 pm

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But... we don't have one. :(

We do have Popeyes though. Good, not supported by a bigot (far as I'm aware anyway), and has yet to give me mild food poisoning!
I can help solve this, do you live in a big metropolitan area? Or if not which is the closest one?


Ft Lauderdale would be closest, but I don't want to go downtown for chicken when Popeyes is pretty awesome as it is.

Besides, I'm already aware of a fantastic small restaurant, it's called Legends and it's got great stuff and my first "eating out" option due to location, service, and quality. Plus the servers are very nice (I watched most of England and Ireland's Euro 2012 matches there)

Just not always viable.
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Postby Jari Head » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:41 pm

Death Metal wrote:
greed and death wrote:The effort spent driving .5 a blocks farther down the KFC.


Actually, KFC is .5 blocks away from me.

I don't eat there either though. Not for political reasons, just that their chicken has given me the runs and/or vomiting on several occasions.

Have you tried taking all the skin off so all you have is just the meat? You could have an allergy to one or more of the herbs or spices in the coating.
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Postby Death Metal » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:45 pm

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Actually, KFC is .5 blocks away from me.

I don't eat there either though. Not for political reasons, just that their chicken has given me the runs and/or vomiting on several occasions.

Have you tried taking all the skin off so all you have is just the meat? You could have an allergy to one or more of the herbs or spices in the coating.


Nah, otherwise it would happen every single time.

Plus, my only allergy is to avocado.
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:47 pm

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Gauntleted Fist wrote:Yes, that is precisely what I am trying to tell you because I am a tremendous asshole who thinks people should learn a little about the companies they patronize before doing so.

If anything, this developement will make more people visit Chick-fil-a. NationStates does not resemble the real world.


Since I haven't seen any statistics that make me think support for SSM isn't steadily growing and that the vocal anti-SSM doesn't vastly over estimate its market share I see no reason it should.

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