Metallica: Over-rated?

[Soviet Haaregrad]

Well, there were dozens of other bands playing metal/punk crossover at the time, thrash metal was just one of the flavours of that type of crossover. Metallica and Megadeth helped invent that one flavour, but without them we'd just be talking about Exodus or Sodom or Slayer or DRI.

Can we just agree that all bands are awesome..... and Dave Mustaine knows nothing about politics?

Continuing from this growing hijack...

Many people try to argue that Metallica are the most important metal band of the 80s, or that thrash metal couldn't have happened without them or similar.

Now, first I few things I won't try to argue... Metallica was likely the first thrash metal band. Metallica was one of the more important bands of the style. Metallica have many good songs.

That said, thrash metal grew out of an overall trend that started around 1978 of punk and metal elements being combined. Without Metallica, countless others would have still decided to ripoff Discharge, Minor Threat, Black Flag, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Venom, The Exploited, Motorhead ect. With or without Metallica, thrash metal was pretty much guaranteed to happen; when people try to argue they're responsible for the whole genre, they are deeply mistaken. Metallica fanboys making these claims cause the band to be over-rated.

Discuss. Flame. Talk about Celtic Frost instead.

[Zirconim]

Can we just agree that all bands are awesome..... and Dave Mustaine knows nothing about politics?

Continuing from this growing hijack...

Many people try to argue that Metallica are the most important metal band of the 80s, or that thrash metal couldn't have happened without them or similar.

They most definately are the most important metal band of the 80's, no contest. Thrash Metal would've happened, but it wouldn't have become as popular, if at all.

Now, first I few things I won't try to argue... Metallica was likely the first thrash metal band. Metallica was one of the more important bands of the style. Metallica have many good songs.

Yes, yes (they were the most), and hell yes.

That said, thrash metal grew out of an overall trend that started around 1978 of punk and metal elements being combined. Without Metallica, countless others would have still decided to ripoff Discharge, Minor Threat, Black Flag, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Venom, The Exploited, Motorhead ect. With or without Metallica, thrash metal was pretty much guaranteed to happen; when people try to argue they're responsible for the whole genre, they are deeply mistaken. Metallica fanboys making these claims cause the band to be over-rated.

Discuss. Flame. Talk about Celtic Frost instead.

Yes, it would've happened without them, but it would've likely gotten little to no popularity. Plus, without them, there'd be no Megadeth, and without either, Thrash Metal would suck as a whole. So, maybe a bit, but all in all, I don't think Metallica is all that over-rated.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

Funny, without Metallica nad Megadeth all the good thrash metal bands would still exist. Maybe Sepultura wouldn't have started to suck. Maybe Slayer wouldn't have spent the 90s playing watered down crap. Maybe Exodus would be better...

[Zirconim]

Funny, without Metallica nad Megadeth all the good thrash metal bands would still exist. Maybe Sepultura wouldn't have started to suck. Maybe Slayer wouldn't have spent the 90s playing watered down crap. Maybe Exodus would be better...

I never listened to much Sepultura, Exodus was never good, and Slayer was the worst thing to ever happen to Metal, maybe even all music.

[Thelmia]

Who is Metallica?

[Zirconim]

Who is Metallica?

Proof that they are not over-rated^

[Mushet]

Who is Metallica?

*slaps*
BLASPHEMY
But srsly if you don't know, why post?

[Lydias Gryphus]

Who is Metallica?

In a nutshell, Metallica is a metal band which wrote many famous songs and pioneered the way for hundreds of other metal musicians who would follow in their footsteps and create genres of their own, and is considered by many the greatest metal band ever.

[Mushet]

Who is Metallica?

In a nutshell, Metallica is a metal band which wrote many famous songs and pioneered the way for hundreds of other metal musicians who would follow in their footsteps and create genres of their own, and is considered by many the greatest metal band ever.

They also got plenty of haters though

[The Chelbrusitan]

No, not at all. They're just right rated.

[The Fanboyists]

It doesn't matter, since we'd have doom metal anyway, which is better.

[Lydias Gryphus]

In a nutshell, Metallica is a metal band which wrote many famous songs and pioneered the way for hundreds of other metal musicians who would follow in their footsteps and create genres of their own, and is considered by many the greatest metal band ever.

They also got plenty of haters though

Yeah, like the OP.

[The Fanboyists]

They also got plenty of haters though

Yeah, like the OP.

I don't think it's possible to overstate Metallica's importance to thrash-metal.

Unfortunately, the fact remains that even better thrash metal (read: Metallica, Megadeth) is mediocre. Doom and Stoner metal all the way!

[Mushet]

They also got plenty of haters though

Yeah, like the OP.

He's not hating, he's just saying they're overrated, whatever

[Cosumar]

I think that Metallica was the the uncontested most influential (and best, IMO) of the 80s, and one of the original thrash metal bands.

I think that thrash metal still would've happened without them, but it wouldn't have gained as much traction, making it less popular,less of an influence.

I think they are one of the top 5 metal bands of all time, but fans calling them the full-out best, is a little iffy

They have garnered so much hype (they deserve most of it) that they are bound to be considered a little over-rated.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

Funny, without Metallica nad Megadeth all the good thrash metal bands would still exist. Maybe Sepultura wouldn't have started to suck. Maybe Slayer wouldn't have spent the 90s playing watered down crap. Maybe Exodus would be better...

I never listened to much Sepultura, Exodus was never good, and Slayer was the worst thing to ever happen to Metal, maybe even all music.

While not a huge Slayer fan, seriously, worst thing to happen to metal?

Do you even listen to metal?

[Mushet]

Metalheads, Metalheads, stop arguing, let's all band together and agree the modern mainstream music sucks

[Soviet Haaregrad]

Yeah, like the OP.

He's not hating, he's just saying they're overrated, whatever

I like Metallica. I can like something and think it's over-rated.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

Metalheads, Metalheads, stop arguing, let's all band together and agree the modern mainstream music sucks

But mainstream modern fake metal is worse then modern pop.

I'd rather suffer through hours of Miley Cyrus then have to listen to 3 Inches Of Blood or similar mallmetal.

[Delaclava]

Metallica was undisputedly important to metal music and had many good songs. But I would not consider them undisputedly the most influential metal band. They're more of a Dr. King than a Gandhi - by this I mean that if Gandhi hadn't done what he had done it's unlikely anyone else would have done it, but there were many others that would have (and in fact did) what King did if King himself hadn't done it. So Metallica was important, but not essential to the development of metal.

[The Grand World Order]

Metal: Invented by Ozzy, perfected by Metallica.


Then again, Metallica has been a family tradition starting with my mother's generation o/

[Zirconim]

I never listened to much Sepultura, Exodus was never good, and Slayer was the worst thing to ever happen to Metal, maybe even all music.

While not a huge Slayer fan, seriously, worst thing to happen to metal?

Do you even listen to metal?

I do indeed. Slayer sucks. People have preferences. If I said I didn't like some non-famous Metal band, you'd never say that, simply because Slayer is a famous and somewhat influential bad.

[Zirconim]

Metal: Invented by Ozzy, perfected by Metallica.


Then again, Metallica has been a family tradition starting with my mother's generation o/

Correction: Invented by Ozzy and Iommi, perfected by Ozzy and Iommi, transformed by similarly awesome Metallica.

[Zirconim]

Metalheads, Metalheads, stop arguing, let's all band together and agree the modern mainstream music sucks

But mainstream modern fake metal is worse then modern pop.

I'd rather suffer through hours of Miley Cyrus then have to listen to 3 Inches Of Blood or similar mallmetal.

You consider 3 Inches Of Blood mainstream?

[Soviet Haaregrad]

While not a huge Slayer fan, seriously, worst thing to happen to metal?

Do you even listen to metal?

I do indeed. Slayer sucks. People have preferences. If I said I didn't like some non-famous Metal band, you'd never say that, simply because Slayer is a famous and somewhat influential bad.

People do have preferences. If you said "I dislike Slayer" I'd of had no comment to make whatsoever. But, worst thing to happen to metal? They're not even the worst thing to happen to metal in the 80s. 'worst thing to happen to...' is a big statement. I'm calling you out for exagerating, not for making fun of a band that's played the Inspector Gadget theme for 30 years.

You consider 3 Inches Of Blood mainstream?

Yes.