Avenged Sevenfold?

[Zirconim]

I know feeling about them are very mixed, so...

Bests:
Best Album: Avenged Sevenfold (2007)
Best Songs: Vocal: Dear God, A Little Piece Of Heaven
Zacky: Critical Acclaim
Syn: Welcome To The Family
Johnny: Any
The Rev: A Little Piece Of Heaven, Critical Acclaim, Almost Easy
By Album: Sounding The Seventh Trumpet: Warmness On The Soul
Waking The Fallen: Unholy Confessions, Second Heartbeat
City Of Evil: Beast And The Harlot
Avenged Sevenfold: A Little Piece Of Heaven, Dear God
Nightmare: Welcome To The Family, Natural Born Killers
Metalcore: Unholy Confessions, Second Heartbeat, God Hates Us

Worsts:
Worst Album: Sounding The Seventh Trumpet (2000)
Worst Songs: Almost Easy
Nightmare
Just about everything off Sounding The Seventh Trumpet

[Cosumar]

Well, I love them. They have grown to be one of my favorite bands. I probably listen to A7X more than any other band right now.

Best Album: City of Evil
Worst album (Still not bad): STST
Best Songs: Afterlife, Welcome to the Family, Unholy Confessions, Blinded In Chains, Sidewinder, Trashed and Scattered, Seize the Day, Beast and the Harlot, Darkness Surrounding, Brompton Cocktail, Buried Alive
Not as good songs: Almost Easy, Nightmare, Critical Acclaim, a few off STST

Overall, excellent band, lots of talent amazing songwriting.

[The REAL Glasers]

Horrible band. Their first release was the closest they ever got to being decent, but even that wasn't very good at all for a Metalcore record.

[Sarrbia]

Horrible band. Their first release was the closest they ever got to being decent, but even that wasn't very good at all for a Metalcore record.

I disagree. They are talented. Synyster Gates in an excellent guitarist and M Shadows' voice really gets to me. Haters gonna hate....
Seems like you always hate on music that has earned any morsel of popularity

[The REAL Glasers]

Because Nirvana, Joy Division, Megadeth, Neil Young, Bob Dylan, the Pixies, The Who, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, and Phish aren't incredibly popular bands.

M Shadows can't sing, at all. Syn is an okay Metal guitarist, but he's really nothing special. He's really just a Slash clone, who wasn't really a special guitarist to begin with.

[Sarrbia]

Because Nirvana, Joy Division, Megadeth, Neil Young, Bob Dylan, the Pixies, The Who, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, and Phish aren't incredibly popular bands.

Let me rephrase. Bands with any shred of popularity that are modern.

M Shadows can't sing, at all. Syn is an okay Metal guitarist, but he's really nothing special. He's really just a Slash clone, who wasn't really a special guitarist to begin with.

At least you're giving syn some credit. I think him and zacky are a very special metal guitarist duo, not a slash clone at all really.
Give The Rev some credit too. Amazing drummer!
Your M. Shadows statement really doesn't make much sense if you've em live

[Cosumar]

Because Nirvana, Joy Division, Megadeth, Neil Young, Bob Dylan, the Pixies, The Who, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, and Phish aren't incredibly popular bands.

Let me rephrase. Bands with any shred of popularity that are modern.

M Shadows can't sing, at all. Syn is an okay Metal guitarist, but he's really nothing special. He's really just a Slash clone, who wasn't really a special guitarist to begin with.

At least you're giving syn some credit. I think him and zacky are a very special metal guitarist duo, not a slash clone at all really.
Give The Rev some credit too. Amazing drummer!
Your M. Shadows statement really doesn't make much sense if you've em live

Seconded

[Cosumar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_iz_JIn-lw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAyz-u5ma0o

yes, good live (ESPECIALLY THE SECOND ONE!)

[The REAL Glasers]

Because Nirvana, Joy Division, Megadeth, Neil Young, Bob Dylan, the Pixies, The Who, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, and Phish aren't incredibly popular bands.

Let me rephrase. Bands with any shred of popularity that are modern.

M Shadows can't sing, at all. Syn is an okay Metal guitarist, but he's really nothing special. He's really just a Slash clone, who wasn't really a special guitarist to begin with.

At least you're giving syn some credit. I think him and zacky are a very special metal guitarist duo, not a slash clone at all really.
Give The Rev some credit too. Amazing drummer!
Your M. Shadows statement really doesn't make much sense if you've em live

Alright, The Mountain Goats, Band of Horses, Deerhunter, Lightning Bolt, and several more. It really depends on what you define as current (I define it generally as bands that have been active since the 90s at the earliest). But, I'm a 90s and 80s Post-Hardcore and Alternative Rock fiend, so that's what era my bands generally are going to be loaded in. I don't like most "popular" bands because I tend to like my music noisy or abrasive in some way and not exactly "perfect". I like atmosphere and good songwriting and passion as well and I don't get any of that out of Avenged Sevenfold or any of the cookie-cutter "Metal" that dominates the airwaves.

Not really. They're not all that special, and I find their styles really to be predictable and not all that exciting or unique. They definitely have chops, but they don't bring anything new, exciting, or mindblowing to the table for anyone who's versed in Metal.

The Rev really isn't all that great. He's nothing special as far as Metal drumming goes and nothing he really did really surprised me at all or impressed me.

I hate his voice and I've heard it blown out numerous times, I don't like that in a vocalist at all.

[Sarrbia]

Let me rephrase. Bands with any shred of popularity that are modern.


At least you're giving syn some credit. I think him and zacky are a very special metal guitarist duo, not a slash clone at all really.
Give The Rev some credit too. Amazing drummer!
Your M. Shadows statement really doesn't make much sense if you've em live

I don't like most "popular" bands because I tend to like my music noisy or abrasive in some way and not exactly "perfect". I like atmosphere and good songwriting and passion as well and I don't get any of that out of Avenged Sevenfold or any of the cookie-cutter "Metal" that dominates the airwaves.

Avenged Sevenfold is in no way "exactly perfect"
Songs like Afterlife, Sidewinder, Blinded In Chains really show their passion
Excellent songwriting, many song i would consider "masterpieces"
A7X isn't cookie cutter either. They are very diverse. They're style changes with every album. They have songs that are metalcore to heavy metal to friggin country. I don't think there's another band like A7X.

[The REAL Glasers]

By perfect, I mean the overall sound and production. Everything's done to a click and the guitar tone is pristine, but drained of all life. It all really sounds sterile and it's really lacking in low-end too. That's my problem with today's "Metal" scene, the guitars all lack oomph as everyone chooses to emphasize this treble-driven sound.

I don't really feel that in any of their songs, if they can ever match the pure cathartic passion of Vic Chesnutt and Godspeed You! Black Emperor, I might consider it. But until then, their lyrics don't have any personal relevance to me and I don't have a personal connection to their music at all, nothing grabs me.

That's all your opinion, but I don't really consider them to have any sort of remarkable composition skill at all.

All of which are extremely generic and formulaic in comparison. I also laugh at the fact that someone would consider an A7X song country. And they're really hardly a diverse band at all. Ballads amidst "Metal" cuts do not = diversity.

[Sarrbia]

I don't really feel that in any of their songs, if they can ever match the pure cathartic passion of Vic Chesnutt and Godspeed You! Black Emperor, I might consider it. But until then, their lyrics don't have any personal relevance to me and I don't have a personal connection to their music at all, nothing grabs me.

Well I've lisetened to Godspeed you! Black emperor and nothing appealed to me about that either...We all have our opinions

[The REAL Glasers]

I don't really expect anyone like you to be interested in music that takes a really long time to develop and places an emphasis on atmosphere, but to deny that any emotion exists in it is just simply ridiculous.

[Sarrbia]

I don't really expect anyone like you to be interested in music that takes a really long time to develop and places an emphasis on atmosphere, but to deny that any emotion exists in it is just simply ridiculous.

Whether it takes a group 3 years or 5 years or 1 to make an album doesn't really matter. Good music is good and bad music is bad, no matter how long it took. You could spend your whole life making a song that's awful-just because you spent a long time on it doesn't make it good. At one point godspeed you! B.E. were coming out with an album every one-two years. A7X has 4 years between albums, so your point is invalid.

As for Godspeed you! black emperor, I've listened to 4 or 5 of their songs. You talk about atmosphere? The only thing those songs are good for is putting me to sleep. It's not bad, I never denied emotion exists, I'm certain it takes talent and time, it's just not enjoyable to listen to.

[The REAL Glasers]

I meant the songs. It generally takes 5-7 minutes before a GY!BE song reaches anything past its "quiet point" and even then, it generally doesn't climax until around 12 minutes in. The point is that they completely lack conventional song structure, which is something that A7X has in spades, which is exactly why the "put you to sleep". A mainstream listener generally does not have a taste for anything that's slow to develop or ambient. 99% of mainstream music is immediate.

[Zirconim]

I meant the songs. It generally takes 5-7 minutes before a GY!BE song reaches anything past its "quiet point" and even then, it generally doesn't climax until around 12 minutes in. The point is that they completely lack conventional song structure, which is something that A7X has in spades, which is exactly why the "put you to sleep". A mainstream listener generally does not have a taste for anything that's slow to develop or ambient. 99% of mainstream music is immediate.

The climax of the song, while somewhat linear to the composition, is entirely up to the listener. Plus, the song A Little Piece Of Heaven would like to deny your statement.

[The REAL Glasers]

I meant the songs. It generally takes 5-7 minutes before a GY!BE song reaches anything past its "quiet point" and even then, it generally doesn't climax until around 12 minutes in. The point is that they completely lack conventional song structure, which is something that A7X has in spades, which is exactly why the "put you to sleep". A mainstream listener generally does not have a taste for anything that's slow to develop or ambient. 99% of mainstream music is immediate.

The climax of the song, while somewhat linear to the composition, is entirely up to the listener. Plus, the song A Little Piece Of Heaven would like to deny your statement.

Not really, especially in this case. The songs start off incredibly quiet and then gradually crescendo into these big, loud sections.

Not really, there's nothing ambient or slow to develop about that song at all. Its structure is conventional. It's basically a ballad, it's just piano and strings over standard Metal instrumentation. It's a little unconventional for a band of their style, but it relies heavily on Classical cliches that should be extremely familiar to the listener.

[Zirconim]

The climax of the song, while somewhat linear to the composition, is entirely up to the listener. Plus, the song A Little Piece Of Heaven would like to deny your statement.

Not really, especially in this case. The songs start off incredibly quiet and then gradually crescendo into these big, loud sections.

Not really, there's nothing ambient or slow to develop about that song at all. Its structure is conventional. It's basically a ballad, it's just piano and strings over standard Metal instrumentation. It's a little unconventional for a band of their style, but it relies heavily on Classical cliches that should be extremely familiar to the listener.

Who cares how "mainstream" something is? Who cares how "conventional" something is? Good music is good.

[The REAL Glasers]

I wasn't knocking it, that was just the topic that was being discussed. A lot of my favorite bands use conventional song structure (and are mainstream), I was just pointing out that I wasn't surprised that he wasn't a fan of GY!BE because they are really anything but conventional to a mainstream listener's ears.

[Zirconim]

I wasn't knocking it, that was just the topic that was being discussed. A lot of my favorite bands use conventional song structure (and are mainstream), I was just pointing out that I wasn't surprised that he wasn't a fan of GY!BE because they are really anything but conventional to a mainstream listener's ears.

There is nothing more I want right now than to find something...anything, musically, that we can agree on...

[Cosumar]

I wasn't knocking it, that was just the topic that was being discussed. A lot of my favorite bands use conventional song structure (and are mainstream), I was just pointing out that I wasn't surprised that he wasn't a fan of GY!BE because they are really anything but conventional to a mainstream listener's ears.

There is nothing more I want right now than to find something...anything, musically, that we can agree on...

I think we can all agree on this: Ke$ha sucks and has no talent

[Zirconim]

There is nothing more I want right now than to find something...anything, musically, that we can agree on...

I think we can all agree on this: Ke$ha sucks and has no talent

Eh, but everybody agrees on that...

[Cosumar]

I think we can all agree on this: Ke$ha sucks and has no talent

Eh, but everybody agrees on that...

Yeah well it was the best I could come up with.

[Zirconim]

Eh, but everybody agrees on that...

Yeah well it was the best I could come up with.

Hmm...do you think it would be threadworthy to have me and him (and you if you like) to have a thread to discuss music? Maybe in A&F or F7? It'd be like the Mike&Mike In The Morning of NS...

[Cosumar]

Yeah well it was the best I could come up with.

Hmm...do you think it would be threadworthy to have me and him (and you if you like) to have a thread to discuss music? Maybe in A&F or F7? It'd be like the Mike&Mike In The Morning of NS...

well us and him are almost complete opposites...we'd disagree on everything. I think it would be quite entertaining actually!