Vingtor wrote:Because I like Noise music? It creates an atmosphere that's appealing to me. Or maybe because I've removed any pretensions I've had about what qualifies as music or that good music requires great musicians.
Maybe, but you have to admit that is a little esoteric for most.Nice strawman, now if you could actually pay attention you'd see that Black Metal isn't Satanic. Most Black Metal bands don't participate in church burnings, and I'm not sure even endorse them. The days of ridiculous corpse paint are fading away.
Not my point. My point is that it exists to gratify the self-image of the "rebel".Those were all Prog Rock bands that used Folk elements in their music or Psychedelic Folk bands, something far different than what you described and a sound that doesn't even exist today and never even really took off for the most part. John Denver doesn't even fit into that group of musicians, so nice try.
I still hate them. It doesn't matter if they robbed folk music of it's dignity in a alleyway somewhere, they still suck.How so? Hendrix had many songs that served as anthems for the Vietnam generation. The Grunge movement provided a soundtrack for the teenagers and young adults of the 90s that were looking for something genuine after experiencing 80s Pop and Hair Metal. Pink Floyd made numerous political statement and were absolutely monumental in Rock music, hardly pointless. Also, none of those bands can even be grouped together.
Because they reinforce the notion that being a whinny brat who trolls Republicians and other examples of "The Man" is somehow helping solve real problems. I group them together because they all serve the purpose, make Mommy and Daddy angry and promote casual drug use.
1. Yes, I will admit that. I just wish people would have a greater appreciation for it or at least understand the appeal. I have no problem with people not liking it.
2. Not really. They don't do it purely to be a rebel for the sake of being a rebel. They believe they have justifiable disdain for the religion because it was forced upon their culture early on and the Pagans would be killed or exiled if they didn't convert. That's their justification for their attitude, and I don't necessarily agree with it. The number of BM musicians that feel that way is constantly dwindling anyway. Yet again, I fail to see what this has to do with the music to begin with.
3. Alright, I was just stating that that sound never took off and isn't around anymore. Folkies tend to be on the left side of the spectrum though, regardless if they were just straight-up Folkies (Neil Young, Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen) or the Psych Folkies.
4. Promote drug use? None of them explicitly promoted drug use, in fact, Kurt Cobain spoke out against drug use urging people not to make the same mistake he made. The music wasn't made to make mommy and daddy angry, that's something that naturally happens thanks to the generation gap. Mommy and daddy likely grew up to 60s and 70s Pop music along with the classics, the quiet-loud dynamics were something that didn't get kicked into full swing until the 80s and 90s. They also had a point. Vietnam was incredibly unpopular. Pink Floyd spoke out against the Berlin Wall and against the broken music industry. Not only that, but there was action. There were protests against Vietnam, the Berlin Wall came down, etc. These weren't just words without meaning or action, just look at what Woodstock stood for, it showed that hundreds of thousands could come together and coexist peacefully.
Regardless if you were right or wrong on those counts, the beliefs and attitudes of the musicians and your perception of them shouldn't affect your opinion of their music. I know many right-wingers that love that stuff.
