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Postby North Wiedna » Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:13 pm

Does anyone here seriously like any progressive music? There seems to be a lot of animosity towards it by some people, and I don't see others discussing it to much length.

What's your favorite band? Favorite subgenre? Least favorite subgenre? Favorite album? Do you like classic prog, modern prog, or both?

My favorite band is Gentle Giant, and my favorite subgenre is Eclectic, which includes KC, GG, VDGG, etc...
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Postby Frattastan » Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:04 pm

Here I am, though I like mainly 'classic' prog (70s).

My favourite band is Pink Floyd (best song : Echoes). If we don't consider them "prog" my favourite one is King Crimson (In the Court and Red best albums). Other bands I like : ELP, Jethro Tull, Banco del Mutuo Soccorso, Area. Also some Yes and Genesis (just a couple of albums - like Fragile and Nursery Cryme, but I like them quite a bit).

My favourite subgenres are psychedelic rock (proto-prog, actually. British psychedelia), eclectic (jazz/classical/avantgarde influences) and symphonic prog (not sure if the name 'symphonic' is correct. No orchestra - I hate orchestras - just wonderful Hammond organ solos).
Favourite progressive album ... uhm, I would say 'In the Court of the Crimson King' because it represents the quintessentiality of prog music :
jazz-rock fusion with distorted vocals, symphonic bombast, pretentious apocalyptic ballads, pastoral melodies ...

I also do like "artsy" bands as Procol Harum and The Who (hey, Quadrophenia is my all time favourite album, Pete Townshend is a wonderful lyricist and the rythm section of Entwistle and Moon is simply amazing !

Least favourite subgenre is probably the folksy one, when it's too much "Medieval" in sound and lyrics.
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Postby North Wiedna » Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:16 pm

Frattastan wrote:Here I am, though I like mainly 'classic' prog (70s).

My favourite band is Pink Floyd (best song : Echoes). If we don't consider them "prog" my favourite one is King Crimson (In the Court and Red best albums). Other bands I like : ELP, Jethro Tull, Banco del Mutuo Soccorso, Area. Also some Yes and Genesis (just a couple of albums - like Fragile and Nursery Cryme, but I like them quite a bit).

Yeah, when Yes and Genesis were good, they were good, but they sold out rather easily. Also, I don't like Area much. :/
Frattastan wrote:My favourite subgenres are psychedelic rock (proto-prog, actually. British psychedelia), eclectic (jazz/classical/avantgarde influences) and symphonic prog (not sure if the name 'symphonic' is correct. No orchestra - I hate orchestras - just wonderful Hammond organ solos).

Do you go on ProgArchives, perchance?
Frattastan wrote:I also do like "artsy" bands as Procol Harum and The Who (hey, Quadrophenia is my all time favourite album, Pete Townshend is a wonderful lyricist and the rythm section of Entwistle and Moon is simply amazing !

I agree.
Frattastan wrote:Least favourite subgenre is probably the folksy one, when it's too much "Medieval" in sound and lyrics.

There are only a couple good Prog Folk groups imo, e.g. Jethro Tull during their Folk period and Harmonium. The rest aren't that good.
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Postby The REAL Glasers » Wed Dec 29, 2010 8:07 pm

I've tried Progarchives, but I hated the layout and their endorsement of frivolous genres. They also classified The Who as Prog.
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Postby North Wiedna » Wed Dec 29, 2010 8:09 pm

The REAL Glasers wrote:endorsement of frivolous genres.

Explain.
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Postby The REAL Glasers » Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:03 am

Hmm, all I can find is Heavy Prog, thought there were a lot more, but I disagree with that. Also, Post-Metal and Post-Rock aren't Progressive genres. If you're going to consider them Prog, then you have to include Post-Hardcore and Post-Punk as Prog genres as well.
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:07 am

The REAL Glasers wrote:I've tried Progarchives, but I hated the layout and their endorsement of frivolous genres. They also classified The Who as Prog.


It kind of is, but it's more hard rock, definitely.

I like prog rock when it's kick-you-in-the-teeth epic and less pretentious cousins of Little River Band.

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Postby The REAL Glasers » Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:53 am

Eh, I don't really see the point in it. Either it's Prog Rock or Prog Metal in my eyes, there's no real in between.
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:13 am

The REAL Glasers wrote:Eh, I don't really see the point in it. Either it's Prog Rock or Prog Metal in my eyes, there's no real in between.


It's also the music genre where peoples start labeling everything. :lol:

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Postby North Wiedna » Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:49 am

The REAL Glasers wrote:Eh, I don't really see the point in it. Either it's Prog Rock or Prog Metal in my eyes, there's no real in between.

The problem is that there's no unifying sound between the groups. Birds and Buildings sounds way different than Yes and Van der Graaf Generator.
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The REAL Glasers wrote:I've tried Progarchives, but I hated the layout and their endorsement of frivolous genres. They also classified The Who as Prog.


It kind of is, but it's more hard rock, definitely.

I like prog rock when it's kick-you-in-the-teeth epic and less pretentious cousins of Little River Band.

I'm pretty sure any band is more kick-you-in-the-teeth epic than Little River Band.
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Postby Koffiedik » Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:53 am

A (sub)genre called Eclectic? I know it's just a name, but i think it's a silly one.
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Postby North Wiedna » Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:04 am

Koffiedik wrote:A (sub)genre called Eclectic? I know it's just a name, but i think it's a silly one.

ec·lec·tic
   /ɪˈklɛktɪk/
–adjective
1.selecting or choosing from various sources.

All of the bands in the genre select from a wide variety of influences.
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Postby The REAL Glasers » Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:31 pm

North Wiedna wrote:
The REAL Glasers wrote:Eh, I don't really see the point in it. Either it's Prog Rock or Prog Metal in my eyes, there's no real in between.

The problem is that there's no unifying sound between the groups. Birds and Buildings sounds way different than Yes and Van der Graaf Generator.


Eh, maybe because I feel the term Progressive is so vague that it doesn't really need its own subgenres apart from Rock and Metal. I don't really consider the regional scenes to be sub genres of their own, but rather different takes on existing styles. Krautrock, however, is a notable exception since it's a really entirely different sound. I have difficulty considering Space Rock a Prog genre was well. It was born out of Prog, but Prog is really the last thing I think of when I hear Spacemen 3, Spiritualized, and Hum.
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Postby Zirconim » Fri Dec 31, 2010 8:20 am

Yeah, I like bands like Tool, Rush, Dream Theater, The Mars Volta, Yes, Pink Floyd, King Crimson, and some New Prog like 30 Seconds to Mars, Muse, Coheed and Cambria, and I guess if you can consider Primus prog metal...
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Muse, 30 Seconds to Mars, and Primus aren't Prog.
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Postby North Wiedna » Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:33 pm

The REAL Glasers wrote:Muse, 30 Seconds to Mars, and Primus aren't Prog.

I was waiting for someone else to say it. Thanks.
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Postby Bodegraven » Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:52 pm

North Wiedna wrote:
The REAL Glasers wrote:Muse, 30 Seconds to Mars, and Primus aren't Prog.

I was waiting for someone else to say it. Thanks.


muse is, in my opinion, pop-rock who wannabe prog, a.k.a. pop-prog... Bu I heard a live version of Citizen Erased, and that was leaning to Prog and actually pretty Good

I'm not a real proghead, although I like Yes, Pink Floyd, ELP, Tool, Dream Theater, The Who and King Crimson.
And genres got so vague, that I don't know what my favourite subgenre is because I'm still figuring out what I/You/Music Critics see as prog
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Bodegraven wrote:muse is, in my opinion, pop-rock who wannabe prog, a.k.a. pop-prog... Bu I heard a live version of Citizen Erased, and that was leaning to Prog and actually pretty Good

There are pop-prog groups, like Supertramp, Electric Light Orchestra, and The Moody Blues. Even if Muse were Prog, they're god awful, so it wouldn't matter.
Bodegraven wrote:I'm not a real proghead, although I like Yes, Pink Floyd, ELP, Tool, Dream Theater, The Who and King Crimson.

The Who are art rock.
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North Wiedna wrote:
Bodegraven wrote:muse is, in my opinion, pop-rock who wannabe prog, a.k.a. pop-prog... Bu I heard a live version of Citizen Erased, and that was leaning to Prog and actually pretty Good

There are pop-prog groups, like Supertramp, Electric Light Orchestra, and The Moody Blues. Even if Muse were Prog, they're god awful, so it wouldn't matter.
Bodegraven wrote:I'm not a real proghead, although I like Yes, Pink Floyd, ELP, Tool, Dream Theater, The Who and King Crimson.

The Who are art rock.

I know, but some see art rock as a sort of prog...
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Postby Kushtor » Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:49 am

I have to say Yes is the definitive "prog" band, but my favorite subgenre is "space" rock (Tangerine Dream, Ozric Tentacles, Porcupine Tree, Aum, to name a few favorites). Pink Floyd and Rush certainly deserve to be mentioned, being the oldest and most "mainstream" groups I can think of, respectively.
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Postby North Wiedna » Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:41 am

Kushtor wrote:I have to say Yes is the definitive "prog" band, but my favorite subgenre is "space" rock (Tangerine Dream, Ozric Tentacles, Porcupine Tree, Aum, to name a few favorites). Pink Floyd and Rush certainly deserve to be mentioned, being the oldest and most "mainstream" groups I can think of, respectively.

Yes lost their status as the definitive prog band when they released Tormato. And Rush wasn't a prog group until the mid seventies.
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Kushtor wrote:I have to say Yes is the definitive "prog" band, but my favorite subgenre is "space" rock (Tangerine Dream, Ozric Tentacles, Porcupine Tree, Aum, to name a few favorites). Pink Floyd and Rush certainly deserve to be mentioned, being the oldest and most "mainstream" groups I can think of, respectively.

Yes lost their status as the definitive prog band when they released Tormato. And Rush wasn't a prog group until the mid seventies.

I mean Pink Floyd is the oldest I can think of, and Rush is the most mainstream I can think of.
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I love Prog rock, mostly Pink Floyd and the Alan Parsons Project.
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Postby Bokaya » Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:46 am

What do y'all think of the "new wave" of prog? Coheed and Cambria, Tool, Mastodon, Porcupine Tree and Opeth to name but a few of the awesome new bands that've been emerging recently...


Out of classic prog I like ELP, Caravan, King Crimson and a few others.
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Postby North Wiedna » Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:09 pm

Bokaya wrote:What do y'all think of the "new wave" of prog? Coheed and Cambria, Tool, Mastodon, Porcupine Tree and Opeth to name but a few of the awesome new bands that've been emerging recently...

Haken, Il Tempio delle Clessidre, and Stick Men released their debut albums last year, and all were amazing. Haken is a bit like a less-metal more-rock Dream Theater but better, Il Tempio delle Clessidre is an RPI band featuring Lupo Garifi from Museo Rosenbach, and Stick Men is a supergroup of Bernier, Levin, and Mastelotto, featuring two Chapman sticks. Then, of course, there's The Mars Volta and, as you said, PT and Opeth. Tool also fits, but they're a bit different, and I'm not a big fan of the rest. There's a bevy of other stuff I'm missing, but, yeah, the recent years have created some of the best prog music out there.
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