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Postby YellowApple » Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:56 pm

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Yeah, Dwarf Fortress is fun too. If the source code were freely available, I'd work on making it multiplayer; I'd make a server that runs a world continuously, then users would run their dwarf civilizations on the server using a client of sorts.

It would be like Farmville, except you die.


There's already a (very basic) multiplayer setup running through telnet: DFTerm2. Unfortunately, development has ceased, but it's still working if you set up the new offsets properly (and there's even a couple of servers running).


That would be a good start, I suppose. What I'd like to do, though, is much more advanced than that, since I'd like to be able to have a dedicated server host the whole world continuously while the clients connect seamlessly to their own instances (rather than the approach DFTerm2 appears to take of everyone connecting to one game session). I'd also want to split things up into many tiny threads to accommodate distributed computing (i.e. having servers managing their own specific geographic portions of the world). That would be rad.

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Postby Lordieth » Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:48 pm

I thought Minecraft Pocket Edition would give me a decent Minecraft fix until I weighed up whether or not to get the PC version, but if anything its just made me want to go all out and get the PC version outright.

I've been watching a few videos, and it's just making me stir crazy that I'm not out doing my own exploring in some seamlessly never-ending cave. After watching some of these videos, it makes Pocket Minecraft seem like a demo.

This video in particular makes me want to go do some major cave exploring; Linky

I also have a few gripes with Pocket Edition; Firstly, there's a very irritating bug that causes all the animals to end up floating in the sea. I've found no way of getting them back. Despite the fact that it's quite ridiculous to see animals like sheep and cattle bobbing up and down on the water. It makes hunting for food seem a little silly. Underwater Sheep hunting? Hm.

Next is the crafting system. There are Minecraft clones on Android that already equal the full game's crafting system, so there's no excuse not to implement it in Pocket Edition. Making things just isn't very fun in Pocket Minecraft.

Lastly; no treasure chests! Half the fun of exploring is finding goodies.

Hopefully the upcoming update to Pocket Edition will address a few issues and add a bit of extra content.
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Postby Anollasia » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:51 pm

I found the sky limit in Minecraft! :lol:

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Postby Durmatagno » Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:01 pm

Anollasia wrote:I found the sky limit in Minecraft! :lol:


Its been posted, and doubled awhile back, but if you fly high enough, you can see two suns (or could at one point) and at night see a sun and a moon. CavemanFilms had a video over it awhile back.
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Postby YellowApple » Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:45 pm

Anollasia wrote:I found the sky limit in Minecraft! :lol:


If you join a server with the Inception mod installed (like mine, though said mod is not in use yet), you can expand that further by stacking worlds on top of one another.

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Postby Anollasia » Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:48 pm

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Anollasia wrote:I found the sky limit in Minecraft! :lol:


If you join a server with the Inception mod installed (like mine, though said mod is not in use yet), you can expand that further by stacking worlds on top of one another.

That's just out of this world! ;)

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If you join a server with the Inception mod installed (like mine, though said mod is not in use yet), you can expand that further by stacking worlds on top of one another.

That's just out of this world! ;)


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Postby The Corparation » Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:56 pm

Anollasia wrote:I found the sky limit in Minecraft! :lol:

And? I remeber when it was half the current height. I built a tower from sea level all the way up and had mines all the way down. Very nice. I think my friend might still have the map.
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Postby YellowApple » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:22 pm

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Anollasia wrote:I found the sky limit in Minecraft! :lol:

And? I remeber when it was half the current height. I built a tower from sea level all the way up and had mines all the way down. Very nice. I think my friend might still have the map.


I've done that a couple times. I still do that every once in awhile - from sky to bedrock - in order to make a "skydiving" platform for mobs that I spawn.

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I've done that a couple times. I still do that every once in awhile - from sky to bedrock - in order to make a "skydiving" platform for mobs that I spawn.


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Postby Lordieth » Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:25 am

How does Minecraft play on Laptops? I can imagine It's going to be a pain with the tracker pad. I have a mouse, though.

Just not a desk.

Need to get some sort of lap-desk mouse-pad thingamy :meh:
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:55 am

Lordieth wrote:How does Minecraft play on Laptops? I can imagine It's going to be a pain with the tracker pad. I have a mouse, though.

Just not a desk.

Need to get some sort of lap-desk mouse-pad thingamy :meh:

Use a box. Its what i do.
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Postby Varijnland » Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:20 am

Oooh yes I like Minecraft, so far i've built a Viking Town, a Roman fort, a Dwarven Mountain Fortress and an old western town...................I know, I'm a big kid.

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Postby Lordieth » Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:41 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Lordieth wrote:How does Minecraft play on Laptops? I can imagine It's going to be a pain with the tracker pad. I have a mouse, though.

Just not a desk.

Need to get some sort of lap-desk mouse-pad thingamy :meh:

Use a box. Its what i do.


That would work.

I could buy Minecraft right now, but I know if I do I won't get any work done today at all. I've been looking at Tekkit. Do want.

Maybe I'll buy it tonight, after I've done some work. Otherwise I'll end up playing Minecraft all day.

The Pocket Edition is nice, but it's really lacking in features to be really enjoyable. It doesn't even have proper caves.
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Postby Rocopurr » Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:59 am

I love it! Minecraft is probably one of my favorite videogames.
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Postby Torisakia » Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:30 pm

I don't get Minecraft. :?
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Postby YellowApple » Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:42 pm

Lordieth wrote:How does Minecraft play on Laptops? I can imagine It's going to be a pain with the tracker pad. I have a mouse, though.

Just not a desk.

Need to get some sort of lap-desk mouse-pad thingamy :meh:


I play Minecraft on my laptop with a trackpad. It's not great, but unless you're fending off the zombies it's not bad, either.

Lordieth wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Use a box. Its what i do.


That would work.

I could buy Minecraft right now, but I know if I do I won't get any work done today at all. I've been looking at Tekkit. Do want.

Maybe I'll buy it tonight, after I've done some work. Otherwise I'll end up playing Minecraft all day.

The Pocket Edition is nice, but it's really lacking in features to be really enjoyable. It doesn't even have proper caves.


Yeah, I don't think the Pocket Edition is worth the money. My phone has enough computing power to run Minecraft quite well, and I'm thinking about seeing if I can convert the full .jars to a .apk for use in Android. Even if I'm not allowed to redistribute it, at least I'd be able to enjoy a full game.

If I succeed at that, you bet I'll show others around here how to do it :)

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Postby Anollasia » Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:51 pm

YellowApple wrote:
Lordieth wrote:How does Minecraft play on Laptops? I can imagine It's going to be a pain with the tracker pad. I have a mouse, though.

Just not a desk.

Need to get some sort of lap-desk mouse-pad thingamy :meh:


I play Minecraft on my laptop with a trackpad. It's not great, but unless you're fending off the zombies it's not bad, either.

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That would work.

I could buy Minecraft right now, but I know if I do I won't get any work done today at all. I've been looking at Tekkit. Do want.

Maybe I'll buy it tonight, after I've done some work. Otherwise I'll end up playing Minecraft all day.

The Pocket Edition is nice, but it's really lacking in features to be really enjoyable. It doesn't even have proper caves.


Yeah, I don't think the Pocket Edition is worth the money. My phone has enough computing power to run Minecraft quite well, and I'm thinking about seeing if I can convert the full .jars to a .apk for use in Android. Even if I'm not allowed to redistribute it, at least I'd be able to enjoy a full game.

If I succeed at that, you bet I'll show others around here how to do it :)

You have to pay for it.

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Postby YellowApple » Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:13 pm

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I play Minecraft on my laptop with a trackpad. It's not great, but unless you're fending off the zombies it's not bad, either.



Yeah, I don't think the Pocket Edition is worth the money. My phone has enough computing power to run Minecraft quite well, and I'm thinking about seeing if I can convert the full .jars to a .apk for use in Android. Even if I'm not allowed to redistribute it, at least I'd be able to enjoy a full game.

If I succeed at that, you bet I'll show others around here how to do it :)

You have to pay for it.


Yes, but you see, I've already paid for the full edition of Minecraft, and you only have to pay for the login that allows you to use it, not for each individual copy. Why should I pay again for a dumbed-down version of the same game?

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Postby Vocenae » Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:59 pm

That is the exact question I ask to everyone that buys the knock-off versions. Especially the fools that bought the Xbox version. They pay full price for the Beta version of the game, especially the fools who bought it when it first released.
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Postby Lordieth » Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:18 pm

Torisakia wrote:I don't get Minecraft. :?


It's a very sandbox-y sort of game. I think the fun is in what ideas you come up with that you want to play in the game. Watch a few videos on youtube. Minecraft Survival videos are a good start. There's much more to the game than that, though.
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Lordieth wrote:How does Minecraft play on Laptops? I can imagine It's going to be a pain with the tracker pad. I have a mouse, though.

Just not a desk.

Need to get some sort of lap-desk mouse-pad thingamy :meh:


I play Minecraft on my laptop with a trackpad. It's not great, but unless you're fending off the zombies it's not bad, either.

Lordieth wrote:
That would work.

I could buy Minecraft right now, but I know if I do I won't get any work done today at all. I've been looking at Tekkit. Do want.

Maybe I'll buy it tonight, after I've done some work. Otherwise I'll end up playing Minecraft all day.

The Pocket Edition is nice, but it's really lacking in features to be really enjoyable. It doesn't even have proper caves.


Yeah, I don't think the Pocket Edition is worth the money. My phone has enough computing power to run Minecraft quite well, and I'm thinking about seeing if I can convert the full .jars to a .apk for use in Android. Even if I'm not allowed to redistribute it, at least I'd be able to enjoy a full game.

If I succeed at that, you bet I'll show others around here how to do it :)


If it were possible, I would think the creators would have already done it. I'm not sure what libraries Minecraft relies on, but the Android environment is very different from the Windows environment. Android probably has a more "lite" version of Java optimized for the OS.

I agree that the limitations of Pocket Edition are a bit puzzling. My tablet should be more than capable of handling Minecraft.

I think it would be possible with Cloud Computing; it's in its infancy, but basically, the game is stored on a cloud-style server, and "streamed" to your device. This gets around any hardware incompatibilities, however I imagine it's very bandwidth heavy.

I don't see why you couldn't stream a game from your PC to your android directly. If there isn't an app for that, then I bet one will come out eventually.

EDIT: I've done some digging, and it appears to be possible with an App called Splashtop Remote Desktop HD and Splashtop GamePad THD. Looks ace.
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Postby Durmatagno » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:03 am

I hate G-Tech so much right now, not only did he get me back into DF, now I'm in a succession game :(


We need a DF thread, and now back to minecraft.

I just built a mimic of my DF fort complete with traps
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Postby The Corparation » Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:05 pm

Durmatagno wrote:I hate G-Tech so much right now, not only did he get me back into DF, now I'm in a succession game :(


We need a DF thread, and now back to minecraft.

I just built a mimic of my DF fort complete with traps

Theres a program out there that converts DF maps into MC maps. Not sure where to find it or when the last time it was updated was though.
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Postby YellowApple » Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:54 pm

Lordieth wrote:
Torisakia wrote:I don't get Minecraft. :?


It's a very sandbox-y sort of game. I think the fun is in what ideas you come up with that you want to play in the game. Watch a few videos on youtube. Minecraft Survival videos are a good start. There's much more to the game than that, though.
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I play Minecraft on my laptop with a trackpad. It's not great, but unless you're fending off the zombies it's not bad, either.



Yeah, I don't think the Pocket Edition is worth the money. My phone has enough computing power to run Minecraft quite well, and I'm thinking about seeing if I can convert the full .jars to a .apk for use in Android. Even if I'm not allowed to redistribute it, at least I'd be able to enjoy a full game.

If I succeed at that, you bet I'll show others around here how to do it :)


If it were possible, I would think the creators would have already done it. I'm not sure what libraries Minecraft relies on, but the Android environment is very different from the Windows environment. Android probably has a more "lite" version of Java optimized for the OS.

I agree that the limitations of Pocket Edition are a bit puzzling. My tablet should be more than capable of handling Minecraft.

I think it would be possible with Cloud Computing; it's in its infancy, but basically, the game is stored on a cloud-style server, and "streamed" to your device. This gets around any hardware incompatibilities, however I imagine it's very bandwidth heavy.

I don't see why you couldn't stream a game from your PC to your android directly. If there isn't an app for that, then I bet one will come out eventually.

EDIT: I've done some digging, and it appears to be possible with an App called Splashtop Remote Desktop HD and Splashtop GamePad THD. Looks ace.


Yes, Dalvik is (if I remember right) based on the mobile version of Java, which omits some of the libraries that I'm sure would be necessary.

However, a rather hacktacular way to work around this would be to compile Java for ARM and somehow install it as native ELF binaries on an Android device. This might be a lot easier said than done, but it solves two problems: getting ripped off if you want to play Minecraft on your phone and solving the issue of Java applets being unsupported on Android (which many enterprise users complain about regularly).

Or, as you mentioned, just have a full Minecraft client session streamed from a PC. However, on a touchscreen phone, controls would be rather problematic, not to mention that it would be difficult to get good performance (this is dependent on your graphics card, and whether or not it'll help render things that it's not outputting; using a lights-out management system to capture the actual video output would be more effective, I reckon).

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Durmatagno wrote:I hate G-Tech so much right now, not only did he get me back into DF, now I'm in a succession game :(


We need a DF thread, and now back to minecraft.

I just built a mimic of my DF fort complete with traps

Theres a program out there that converts DF maps into MC maps. Not sure where to find it or when the last time it was updated was though.


You're probably thinking of this.

Unfortunately, given that the utility was written for Minecraft Indev, I highly doubt it would be even remotely compatible with the current Minecraft version.

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Postby Mad hatters in jeans » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:24 pm

Damn son summoning the wither boss is fun!
That thing is hard as nails and can lay some serious hurt on you. Even with full enchanted diamond armour and a decent enchanted bow and about 14 potions it took me about 10-20 minutes to kill that thing. Even then i needed 2 Iron golems to help.

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