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Postby Audentias Gryphus » Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:49 pm

If you don't want to read all this text, the Angry Video Game Nerd provides a very concise explanation of the timeline, but openly leaving big holes for debate. Follow the link at the bottom of this post.

The timeline for the Legend of Zelda is perhaps one of the longest running gaming debates ever, including controversies surrounding Grand Theft Auto. If you don't believe me, you've been living under a rock and there are plenty of sources that would agree with me.

I've been wanting to host this thread for a long time, but because of the complexity of the subjects and also some time restrictions, that's what's been holding me back. If you're not very familiar with Zelda, lesson one to this is that you can't say any of the story games simply "don't count." That idea is quickly scraped because it's just grounds not to think. Lesson two, there isn't a huge amount of importance over this debate, it's definitely nothing to lose sleep over, but thinking about it encourages creativity, which I commend everyone for. Putting your ideas together in a linear train of thought can be very fun, and can definitely shed some light to a way that these games can be chronologically connected. The fourth lesson is to remember, Zelda games are individual adventures. You don't need to play them one after the other to get the entire story behind it. That's fortunate for people who haven't had the opportunity to play them all, which is the case for most people.

Every Zelda game has the basic goal behind it; Zelda is in trouble, and Link needs to rescue her. How you re-create the same story over fifteen times is a marvel, especially since it's one of the best video game series of all time. However, one main subject in this debate is that the Link and Zelda featured in each game is not necessarily the same pair from any other game in the series. For example, in Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link, the Zelda in the game has been asleep for millenniums, even though Link rescued her in the original Zelda, and Zelda 2 is a direct sequel, taking place a few seasons after the original Zelda.

Little did we know, in the late 1980s, is that Zelda would soon go backwards, twist, split, and do anything but go straight forward. Let's step though the things we know for sure. First the original The Legend of Zelda would be released in North America in 1987. One year later, Zelda II: The Adventure of Link would be released and take place a few seasons later. This is the only definite sequel. Nothing can be said for sure about any of the other games, with the exception of Four Swords and Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons. We'll get to those later. Next, Nintendo released a prequel, The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past. This game was a prequel to the original Zelda. Link retrieves his sword from his uncle, who died trying to rescue Zelda. Next, we get The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening on the Game Boy. This was the first portable Zelda game, and is a sequel to the prequel. Wow. It seems to fill in the time between the two games, A Link to the Past and the original Zelda. To me, it makes sense. You could tie A Link to the Past, Link's Awakening, and the original Zelda in near perfect chronological order, with few exceptions. It makes mention of Zelda, but Link never rescues her in the game. In fact, he isn't in Hyrule, he's in a distant land, where he battles various creatures and finally escapes this land.

Since there is so much to say about the entire series, we should segment the series off for debate, and link them as we go along. Let's start with these four games first, and see if there is much to say about them.

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Postby Audentias Gryphus » Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:56 pm

Someone provided the following straight forward timeline, but without explanation why the games are linked. The order supposedly goes:

Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Windwaker
A Link to the Past
Four Swords / Four Swords Adventures
Oracle of Seasons
Oracle of Ages
Link's Awakening
Legend of Zelda
Link's Adventure

Unfortunately, this list leaves out Twilight Princess, Phantom Hourglass, Spirit Tracks, and the new expected sequel, Skyward Sword.
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Postby North Wiedna » Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:14 pm

I faintly recall a split timeline. One contained WW and another TP. That's all I remember.
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Postby Liyelan » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:03 pm

North Wiedna wrote:I faintly recall a split timeline. One contained WW and another TP. That's all I remember.

AFAIK, the basic idea behind that is that in Ocarina of Time when Link 'grows up', a new timeline is created with him as an adult, where the world gets saved etc. You then have the ORIGINAL timeline, where the world is in ruins and Ganon's taken over everything.

That's just from memory, though. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Postby North Wiedna » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:07 pm

Liyelan wrote:
North Wiedna wrote:I faintly recall a split timeline. One contained WW and another TP. That's all I remember.

AFAIK, the basic idea behind that is that in Ocarina of Time when Link 'grows up', a new timeline is created with him as an adult, where the world gets saved etc. You then have the ORIGINAL timeline, where the world is in ruins and Ganon's taken over everything.

That's just from memory, though. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Yeah. That's exactly how I remember it
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Postby Audentias Gryphus » Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:20 pm

Liyelan wrote:
North Wiedna wrote:I faintly recall a split timeline. One contained WW and another TP. That's all I remember.

AFAIK, the basic idea behind that is that in Ocarina of Time when Link 'grows up', a new timeline is created with him as an adult, where the world gets saved etc. You then have the ORIGINAL timeline, where the world is in ruins and Ganon's taken over everything.

That's just from memory, though. Correct me if I'm wrong.

One confusing thing is the unclear presence of time travel. Link goes back to the past, but as he does he gets his youth back too. What makes more sense is an unwaivering change of personal growth rate while time around the traveler changes, like in Back to the Future.
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Postby Hoyteca » Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:43 pm

There is no singular timeline. Sure, there's a "main" one that starts with Ocarina of Time and ends with WindWaker (and Twilight Princess if you are a Splitist rather than a Linearist), but you'd have a hard time placing most of the Zelda games in it.

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Postby Keijzers » Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:21 am

Well in each game you basically have to start all over again concerning items, health bar, etc. I'm not sure why Link would get rid of his entire gear so many times in a row. You think that after a while he would know better. Why does his health bar drop every time?




I realize this argument is kinda lame but still :P Most Zelda games are probably unrelated, except the later ones.
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Postby Hoyteca » Sun Oct 31, 2010 3:07 pm

Keijzers wrote:Well in each game you basically have to start all over again concerning items, health bar, etc. I'm not sure why Link would get rid of his entire gear so many times in a row. You think that after a while he would know better. Why does his health bar drop every time?




I realize this argument is kinda lame but still :P Most Zelda games are probably unrelated, except the later ones.

It's usually a different Link, so of course he would always start out with next to nothing.

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Postby North Wiedna » Sun Oct 31, 2010 3:09 pm

Hoyteca wrote:
Keijzers wrote:Well in each game you basically have to start all over again concerning items, health bar, etc. I'm not sure why Link would get rid of his entire gear so many times in a row. You think that after a while he would know better. Why does his health bar drop every time?




I realize this argument is kinda lame but still :P Most Zelda games are probably unrelated, except the later ones.

It's usually a different Link, so of course he would always start out with next to nothing.

Or maybe he lives in a bad neighborhood and the enemies get comparatively stronger.
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Postby Hoyteca » Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:52 pm

North Wiedna wrote:
Hoyteca wrote:It's usually a different Link, so of course he would always start out with next to nothing.

Or maybe he lives in a bad neighborhood and the enemies get comparatively stronger.

Bad neighborhood? He lives in Hyrule, where the "official" government has no more influence than Somalia's government. It's mostly city-state villages and Ganon's terrorist organization that's probably linked to al-qieda like so many others. It's a maracle the Gerudos and Deku Scrubs aren't in a constant state of warfare. Link tried moving to Terminia, but had to leave after the moon kept crashing into it. And who can forget when it rained for fourty days and fourty nights in Hyrule? Why the bird people, possibly mutant Chozos, and those leaf people moved in is anyone's guess.

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Postby United Gackle » Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:58 pm

Hoyteca wrote:
North Wiedna wrote:Or maybe he lives in a bad neighborhood and the enemies get comparatively stronger.

Bad neighborhood? He lives in Hyrule, where the "official" government has no more influence than Somalia's government. It's mostly city-state villages and Ganon's terrorist organization that's probably linked to al-qieda like so many others. It's a maracle the Gerudos and Deku Scrubs aren't in a constant state of warfare. Link tried moving to Terminia, but had to leave after the moon kept crashing into it. And who can forget when it rained for fourty days and fourty nights in Hyrule? Why the bird people, possibly mutant Chozos, and those leaf people moved in is anyone's guess.

Pretty sure Link fixed the town and stopped the moon from crashing into it.
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Postby Audentias Gryphus » Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:59 am

United Gackle wrote:
Hoyteca wrote:Bad neighborhood? He lives in Hyrule, where the "official" government has no more influence than Somalia's government. It's mostly city-state villages and Ganon's terrorist organization that's probably linked to al-qieda like so many others. It's a maracle the Gerudos and Deku Scrubs aren't in a constant state of warfare. Link tried moving to Terminia, but had to leave after the moon kept crashing into it. And who can forget when it rained for fourty days and fourty nights in Hyrule? Why the bird people, possibly mutant Chozos, and those leaf people moved in is anyone's guess.

Pretty sure Link fixed the town and stopped the moon from crashing into it.

Which legend was that?
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Postby Hoyteca » Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:55 am

Audentias Gryphus wrote:
United Gackle wrote:Pretty sure Link fixed the town and stopped the moon from crashing into it.

Which legend was that?

Majora's Mask. It took him how many tries to stop the moon? No matter how great your town is after the last moon-crashing, it's considered shitty after the third moon-crashing. No exceptions. Moon-crashings invite other disasters and you're better off moving before the ground turns into Justin Beiber or the mountains vomit all over you. Moon+crashing+town=shitty town.

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Postby North Wiedna » Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:27 pm

Hoyteca wrote:
North Wiedna wrote:Or maybe he lives in a bad neighborhood and the enemies get comparatively stronger.

Bad neighborhood? He lives in Hyrule, where the "official" government has no more influence than Somalia's government. It's mostly city-state villages and Ganon's terrorist organization that's probably linked to al-qieda like so many others. It's a maracle the Gerudos and Deku Scrubs aren't in a constant state of warfare. Link tried moving to Terminia, but had to leave after the moon kept crashing into it. And who can forget when it rained for fourty days and fourty nights in Hyrule? Why the bird people, possibly mutant Chozos, and those leaf people moved in is anyone's guess.

Maybe he really lives in The Bronx when the series isn't going on.
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Postby Hoyteca » Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:09 pm

North Wiedna wrote:
Hoyteca wrote:Bad neighborhood? He lives in Hyrule, where the "official" government has no more influence than Somalia's government. It's mostly city-state villages and Ganon's terrorist organization that's probably linked to al-qieda like so many others. It's a maracle the Gerudos and Deku Scrubs aren't in a constant state of warfare. Link tried moving to Terminia, but had to leave after the moon kept crashing into it. And who can forget when it rained for fourty days and fourty nights in Hyrule? Why the bird people, possibly mutant Chozos, and those leaf people moved in is anyone's guess.

Maybe he really lives in The Bronx when the series isn't going on.

Nah. The Plumber Mafia rules that entire region with an iron fist and is very territorial, especially after the disappearance of their Burgerlord Mario Mario and local Foodslave Luigi Mario. Rumor has it Joe is their new Burgerlord.

Link just lives in Nintendo's equivilant of Somalia, or Atlantis if it's the "flooding" timeline.

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Postby MisanthropicPopulism » Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:44 pm

Audentias Gryphus wrote:Someone provided the following straight forward timeline, but without explanation why the games are linked. The order supposedly goes:

Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Windwaker
A Link to the Past
Four Swords / Four Swords Adventures
Oracle of Seasons
Oracle of Ages
Link's Awakening
Legend of Zelda
Link's Adventure

Unfortunately, this list leaves out Twilight Princess, Phantom Hourglass, Spirit Tracks, and the new expected sequel, Skyward Sword.

That time line is wrong. Primarily because, Word of God if I recall, stated that the time line breaks into two parts due to the actions taken in Majora's Mask.
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