Did Fallout New Vegas live up to expectations?

[Jostedule]

Im getting it tommorow, ill let you know what I think if I dont pass out from playing nonstop. Guess I could pop a few adderall.

[Der Teutoniker]

No, it isn't, considering it stomps all over established canon of the previous games.

This is not the end-all line in the debate. The Star Wars New Trilogy is ridiculously stupid, and contradictory to the Original Trilogy (and itself as well, actually) and yet it is equally canon, even above the books that were licensed, and published prior to the NT, even when those books don't conflict with the OT, and the NT.

Canon can be somewhat contradictory. In the Star Wars Encyclopedia (written solely from OT/EU) Boba Fett was, in fact, Jaster Mareel from Concord Dawn. This was not a suspected previous alias, or identity, it was fact. George Lucas came, and changed stuff, and now canon has changed.

Perhaps in secret, some small remnant of the Enclave slipped away that no one new about? A repeating radio message inspired the beginning of a "new" Enclave after the old one was destroyed, doesn't matter. Canon can, and does change quite frequently.

The one concession I can make, though, is if you simply choose to deny the existence of FO 3 when referencing Fallout in general, as I do with the SW:NT.

[L3 Communications]

I get a sense that if we switched dev names on the games, you'd justify FO3 and crap on New Vegas. Whether or not you want to admit it, FO3 is canon. It stepped all over FO2? Too bad. It is canon to everyone but super fanboys(note: I'm a fanboy of stuff too, so don't take offense. Fanboys are awesome in their devotion.) who would call it canon if it was by Obsidian.

To be clear, I also disliked the direction FO3 took. But it would be like me saying RE4 and RE5 aren't canon in the Resident Evil universe- it crapped on pretty much everything imho and didn't look, feel, pr play like an RE game. It also had very non RE plots. But guess what? Despite the papers I could write on it, it doesn't change that it is canon.

Whether or not you want to admit it, on the east coast there is a BoS detachment that are generic sort of knightly figures instead of the great faction BoS is out west and the enclave was there. It is canon now.

tbh if obsidian developed FO3 it'd probably be more like Van Buren than what Bethesda did. It was an entirely different company, with entirely different employees, and entirely different experience. It's only Fallout in name, really, and only canon because Bethesda owns the licence to the name because Obsidian couldn't secure the rights before Interplay went under.

Regardless whether technicalities say it's canon or not, I still don't consider it an official Fallout sequel due to it being developed with entirely different storylines and storyboards, how it absolutely rapes established canon, and destroys some official shit that happened at the end of FO2.

I consider FO3 to be an alternate FO universe, actually, just like I do with Tactics. (Bethesda itself makes a distinction between Tactics and original FOs)

I disregard Brotherhood of Steel entirely.

It never existed.

[Der Teutoniker]

I still consider FO3 to be a different canon.

And factually speaking, this opinion is incorrect. If you can acknowledge, but still loathe FO 3, then I am fine with your position.

[L3 Communications]

I still consider FO3 to be a different canon.

And factually speaking, this opinion is incorrect. If you can acknowledge, but still loathe FO 3, then I am fine with your position.

I realise, technically since Bethesda owns the licence and copyright to the FO-series' name, that it is canon.

I cannot accept it as canon, however, due to various destruction of IC conclusions that were established at the end of FO2. Unless Obsidian themselves, being the holders of Van Buren and it's storyboard, ideas, etc., brings back the Enclave I really cannot accept it. \:

I doubt Obsidian will bring back the Enclave, but I haven't really dug into NV much to be sure yet.

Addendum: Also, since FO3 is great with mods that add the FAL and actually balance the game, (D:<) Obsidian better release mod tools! D:<

[Der Teutoniker]

I doubt Obsidian will bring back the Enclave, but I haven't really dug into NV much to be sure yet.

The BoS has at least some presence. Not a clue how much though, obviously not a ton, since I've played a good 12-15 hours and not run into them really.

Haven't heard a peep about the Enclave.

And if you are cool with my disowning of the SW:NT, then I'm ok with you disowning FO3.

[L3 Communications]

I doubt Obsidian will bring back the Enclave, but I haven't really dug into NV much to be sure yet.

The BoS has at least some presence. Not a clue how much though, obviously not a ton, since I've played a good 12-15 hours and not run into them really.

Haven't heard a peep about the Enclave.

And if you are cool with my disowning of the SW:NT, then I'm ok with you disowning FO3.

Bleck, never liked the "new" trilogy anyways. Should have made a trilogy about the New Republic, tbh. Would be better, than inviting his movies open to shotacon and poorly written smut fan-fiction.

But yeh no Enclave and I'm happy. ^_^

Will dig into NV sometime this weekend, hopefully.

[Zatarack]

Sounds well written and bug ridden. Exactly what I was expecting.

[Hegstoria]

I doubt Obsidian will bring back the Enclave, but I haven't really dug into NV much to be sure yet.

The BoS has at least some presence. Not a clue how much though, obviously not a ton, since I've played a good 12-15 hours and not run into them really.

Haven't heard a peep about the Enclave.

And if you are cool with my disowning of the SW:NT, then I'm ok with you disowning FO3.

They're a minor faction, and you can recruit a Scribe to be a follower. The BoS are still remembered too, becasue I was chatting up a Caravaner at Camp Mojave and she mentioned "...it didn't take a BoS Scribe to..." (obviously their version of "It doesn't take a rocket scientist..."), so they are still remembered, if only as something in the history classes.

[UberWeegeeia]

Half decent! I didn't preorder the game, and I still got the Classic Pack!
My computer runs it at half the speed of smell, and the sound is delayed severely (Takes 10 minutes to play a single sound), but one has to take the rough with the smooth.

[Wolohanistan]

I pre ordred it from steam. It's been out in the UK for about an hour and 20 minutes and I still can't play.
I'm getting worried.

[Hegstoria]

Half decent! I didn't preorder the game, and I still got the Classic Pack!
My computer runs it at half the speed of smell, and the sound is delayed severely (Takes 10 minutes to play a single sound), but one has to take the rough with the smooth.

Yeah, Gamestop employees tend to forget what are the pre-order copies and what aren't. Lucky you.

Everyone, I've reached a dilemma, I just accidentally skipped the rest of one story quest and the one after that. I wont go into detail, but suffice to say I'm only a level 7 or 8 and only did a handful of the maaaaaaaaaaany sidequests. I don't know what I should do, should I relaod my last save or should I just go on from here... Gah! Why did I have to go off on my own right after the tutorial, it messed me up! Anyway, I need your advice, should I just go on with the game and beat this 7 part quest, or should I reload my save?

[New CaliforniaRepublic]

The BoS has at least some presence. Not a clue how much though, obviously not a ton, since I've played a good 12-15 hours and not run into them really.

Haven't heard a peep about the Enclave.

And if you are cool with my disowning of the SW:NT, then I'm ok with you disowning FO3.

They're a minor faction, and you can recruit a Scribe to be a follower. The BoS are still remembered too, because I was chatting up a Caravaner at Camp Mojave and she mentioned "...it didn't take a BoS Scribe to..." (obviously their version of "It doesn't take a rocket scientist..."), so they are still remembered, if only as something in the history classes.

The NCR tore a contingent of the BoS a new asshole at HELIOS One. BoS high-tailed it out.

[Thurask]

So far so good. Obsidian seems to have gotten around to bugtesting this time.

[New CaliforniaRepublic]

I get a sense that if we switched dev names on the games, you'd justify FO3 and crap on New Vegas. Whether or not you want to admit it, FO3 is canon. It stepped all over FO2? Too bad. It is canon to everyone but super fanboys(note: I'm a fanboy of stuff too, so don't take offense. Fanboys are awesome in their devotion.) who would call it canon if it was by Obsidian.

To be clear, I also disliked the direction FO3 took. But it would be like me saying RE4 and RE5 aren't canon in the Resident Evil universe- it crapped on pretty much everything imho and didn't look, feel, pr play like an RE game. It also had very non RE plots. But guess what? Despite the papers I could write on it, it doesn't change that it is canon.

Whether or not you want to admit it, on the east coast there is a BoS detachment that are generic sort of knightly figures instead of the great faction BoS is out west and the enclave was there. It is canon now.

tbh if obsidian developed FO3 it'd probably be more like Van Buren than what Bethesda did. It was an entirely different company, with entirely different employees, and entirely different experience. It's only Fallout in name, really, and only canon because Bethesda owns the licence to the name because Obsidian couldn't secure the rights before Interplay went under.

Regardless whether technicalities say it's canon or not, I still don't consider it an official Fallout sequel due to it being developed with entirely different storylines and storyboards, how it absolutely rapes established canon, and destroys some official shit that happened at the end of FO2.

I consider FO3 to be an alternate FO universe, actually, just like I do with Tactics. (Bethesda itself makes a distinction between Tactics and original FOs)

I disregard Brotherhood of Steel entirely.

It never existed.

Get over yourself, it exists and its canon.

[L3 Communications]

tbh if obsidian developed FO3 it'd probably be more like Van Buren than what Bethesda did. It was an entirely different company, with entirely different employees, and entirely different experience. It's only Fallout in name, really, and only canon because Bethesda owns the licence to the name because Obsidian couldn't secure the rights before Interplay went under.

Regardless whether technicalities say it's canon or not, I still don't consider it an official Fallout sequel due to it being developed with entirely different storylines and storyboards, how it absolutely rapes established canon, and destroys some official shit that happened at the end of FO2.

I consider FO3 to be an alternate FO universe, actually, just like I do with Tactics. (Bethesda itself makes a distinction between Tactics and original FOs)

I disregard Brotherhood of Steel entirely.

It never existed.

Get over yourself, it exists and its canon.
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lol no it's a spinoff like tactics

[Hornopolis]

Get over yourself, it exists and its canon.
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lol yes, you are correct, Fallout 3 is canon and exists in the Fallout Universe. Its not a spinoff like tactics and is a great game.

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Don't you feel like a #dtard, posting a "Deal with it".

[Hegstoria]

They're a minor faction, and you can recruit a Scribe to be a follower. The BoS are still remembered too, because I was chatting up a Caravaner at Camp Mojave and she mentioned "...it didn't take a BoS Scribe to..." (obviously their version of "It doesn't take a rocket scientist..."), so they are still remembered, if only as something in the history classes.

The NCR tore a contingent of the BoS a new asshole at HELIOS One. BoS high-tailed it out.

Yeah I know, I also know about the BoS bunker, but I was just telling you my first hand experience and not what I know from the Vault.

[L3 Communications]

lol yes, you are correct, Fallout 3 is canon and exists in the Fallout Universe. Its not a spinoff like tactics and is a great game.

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Don't you feel like a #dtard, posting a "Deal with it".

no, considering i found that on know your meme.com when digging through their deal with it pictures

[MisanthropicPopulism]

Got it pre-orderd. Picking it up tonight. I'm pretty excited for it since FO3 was great. I just joined the series in 3 but from what I've seen, the other games don't seem to match up with it.

I facepalmed irl. Seriously.

Graphics != Game.

derp

Fallout 1 & 2 are amazing fucking masterpieces, along with Planescape: Torment. If you have not played those games, go buy them now, or w/e.

Play them. They are fucking awesome.

Fallout 1 is crap. Crap. It's a product of its time - ie, it handles like shit and is confusing as fuck. Sure, it may have been a masterpiece 10 years ago, but now it's crap.

[L3 Communications]

I facepalmed irl. Seriously.

Graphics != Game.

derp

Fallout 1 & 2 are amazing fucking masterpieces, along with Planescape: Torment. If you have not played those games, go buy them now, or w/e.

Play them. They are fucking awesome.

Fallout 1 is crap. Crap. It's a product of its time - ie, it handles like shit and is confusing as fuck. Sure, it may have been a masterpiece 10 years ago, but now it's crap.

I like it better than FO2 because FO1 doesn't have that dumbass temple at the beginning.

[Blackjack Mulligan]

It seems to be doing just fine sucking my life away the past two nights after work.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

i've been playing it for ages recently.
good stuff
1.It does have lots more quests-missions than fallout 3, the writing is actually about the same standard. But because there's more voice actors and more stuff it doesn't matter so much.
2.The main plotline is more believeable, i think that's what makes New Vegas good and still interesting.
3. The map isn't that much bigger than fallout 3 really, but because there's so much to see and do, and when it does work well it feels very good to play, lots of little things to do.
4. Feels real, they've really put in alot of work to make the place immersive. Pretty sky, believeable dialoges, tense background music.
5. Lots of very nice guns, many new ones too and the gun mods are interesting too. they've definitely advanced in this regard.
6. Interesting inter-faction warfare, the decisions you make will change events later on.

bad stuff
1.The slo-mo kills thing is kinda buggy, i had to turn cinematic mode off for it to avoid being trapped .
2.There are bugs a plenty in this game. mostly the odd graphic glitch i can live with (ie pip boy 3 billion messing things up *sigh*).
But i've had 4 random crashes.
3. The ideas are nice, but the interfaces are clunky and not user friendly (ie when making items or cooking up food) it goes *fikky* sometimes.
4. A few things i think they still need to tweek is the perks system, i can see they ripped some of them from fallout 3, which is fine by me but...some of the perks are weak. Hell the whole experience system needs an overhaul. i level up waaay too quickly.
5. As much as i enjoyed some of the quests, at least 3 of them are well tricky or unforgiving or plain broken or boring.
two of them i can't figure out how to move forward after spending ages trying everything i could think of, having to abandon progess is unfortunate.
one of them considering the amount of dialogue in it was building up to something big...then a massive anti-climax, i mean really massive.
However within that very same are there is a fantastic story told by an old ranger watching the sun rise (good voice, well written just a shame it wasn't part of a quest or something).
another one i went on a wild goose chase for spare parts, the reward was cheaper food. ---------___________---------- (seriously i spent a good 10 hours looking for the right spare parts, then later find the parts don't actually work even though i have the right ones and the right amounts of each. Just had to jack up the repair skill and bingo.)
6. This is something that is in fact improved upon actually but still a weakness within fallout new vegas. The reputation system. it's kinda bizzare, and combined with the karma it just seems like a hindrance than a nice addition, as there is no real incentive to keep a particularly evil or good streak going. (I go with being a nice guy, but only because the quests are heavily scewed in that direction anyways.) I know it's something that's quite tricky to improve, and i do think it is...different and useful in some respects but clunky.
7. Oh and a number of quests will have the mechanics stuck for a while, ie at one point I had to kill a boss but i couldn't find where the hell they were and looked everywhere. So yes some of the side-quests are poorly implemented you have been warned.

Overall
The game is great, but for newcomers you will miss loads of stuff first time round (trust me, there's lots of content). However i think this is more like a standalone expansion than a sequel, as the game doesn't seem particularly well tailored toward new players (although this may be an unfair criticism because it's a rare thing to find a game that is nice to new players).
more dialogue, and some really cool ones in some places, intersperced with adequate but otherwise poorly implemented dialogues. (like those town criers, i had to kill them eventually they got on my nerves repeating the same damn phrase every damn time i bloody well walked past them).
More guns, this is the big improvement, lots of nice shiny new or just plain cool weapons to try out and tactics that go with each, and perks (yeah i criticised the lack of improvement in perks but they do the job) can be tailored accordingly.
Again, and this is a problem i had with fallout 3, levelling faaar too quickly to appreciate the choices i made with what i had.
Oh and bugs, not to mention this game will require a pretty decent graphics card if you're not playing a console version (of which i think have bugs as well).

I pre-ordered the game, got the updates and such, seems i was lucky and only got some weird ones where on the very random occasion enemies won't be able to attack you (getting stuck on the terrain). But i thoroughly enjoyed and continue to enjoy this game, very nice ideas, very nice input the only real let-down is it's put together kinda last minute it seems, so i would say if you can resist the temptation for a better game wait a few weeks or a month for updates to clean up properly.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

Half decent! I didn't preorder the game, and I still got the Classic Pack!
My computer runs it at half the speed of smell, and the sound is delayed severely (Takes 10 minutes to play a single sound), but one has to take the rough with the smooth.

Yeah, Gamestop employees tend to forget what are the pre-order copies and what aren't. Lucky you.

Everyone, I've reached a dilemma, I just accidentally skipped the rest of one story quest and the one after that. I wont go into detail, but suffice to say I'm only a level 7 or 8 and only did a handful of the maaaaaaaaaaany sidequests. I don't know what I should do, should I relaod my last save or should I just go on from here... Gah! Why did I have to go off on my own right after the tutorial, it messed me up! Anyway, I need your advice, should I just go on with the game and beat this 7 part quest, or should I reload my save?

lol you can do what you want, i don't think you'l have a problem advancing the main quest even if you go off on a tangent.
seeing as you're only lvl 7-8 you shouldn't find them too easy or difficult than normal.
The tutorial doesn't cover an awful lot really, i mean it is useful but you can learn some of the basics as you go along.
unlike myself, i went through the main quests, did some of the side ones, and missed one of the early ones it seems.
I did it and well suffice to say i kinda nuked the opposition when it should have been a wee bit harder .

[Hegstoria]

Yeah, Gamestop employees tend to forget what are the pre-order copies and what aren't. Lucky you.

Everyone, I've reached a dilemma, I just accidentally skipped the rest of one story quest and the one after that. I wont go into detail, but suffice to say I'm only a level 7 or 8 and only did a handful of the maaaaaaaaaaany sidequests. I don't know what I should do, should I relaod my last save or should I just go on from here... Gah! Why did I have to go off on my own right after the tutorial, it messed me up! Anyway, I need your advice, should I just go on with the game and beat this 7 part quest, or should I reload my save?

lol you can do what you want, i don't think you'l have a problem advancing the main quest even if you go off on a tangent.
seeing as you're only lvl 7-8 you shouldn't find them too easy or difficult than normal.
The tutorial doesn't cover an awful lot really, i mean it is useful but you can learn some of the basics as you go along.
unlike myself, i went through the main quests, did some of the side ones, and missed one of the early ones it seems.
I did it and well suffice to say i kinda nuked the opposition when it should have been a wee bit harder .

First of all, I'm a veteran Fallout player (I did the tutorial for the XP and caps) so don't try and give me advice on how to play the game (I know most tricks in the book) or how exploration is fine, I already know that. Secondly

, what happened was I went to the Strip before I completed the story quests leading up to your arrival, and was told to go see Mr. House, I did so and then realized I had just skipped several Story Quests.

That was the problem. But it's not a problem anymore, I reloaded an earlier save.