Did Fallout New Vegas live up to expectations?

[Hegstoria]

Well I figured we would keep with this whole "Did *** live up to expectations?" with one of the most anticipated games out there, that being Fallout New Vegas. To be perfectly honest, it really did imo. People no longer look like ass, the writing is ten times better, weapons are far better, the game is just all around great from what I've played so far.

But enough about what I think, what do you think so far(obviously, unless you got a review copy, you couldn't have beaten it yet.)?

If you don't know what a Deathclaw is, where Bigtown is and what it's reputation is, or who Bigsley is and what he's like, then just get out now...

[Paroom]

Well I figured we would keep with this whole "Did *** live up to expectations?" with one of the most anticipated games out there, that being Fallout New Vegas. To be perfectly honest, it really did imo. People no longer look like ass, the writing is ten times better, weapons are far better, the game is just all around great from what I've played so far.

But enough about what I think, what do you think so far(obviously, unless you got a review copy, you couldn't have beaten it yet.)?

If you don't know what a Deathclaw is, where Bigtown is and what it's reputation is, or who Bigsley is and what he's like, then just get out now...

I love this damn game! I'm a Level 29 Guardian of the Wastes (Very Good Karma) and I have competed more than 50 quests, discovered more than 100 locales, gambled at the Strip, got laid by a Med-X intoxicated whore, got fisted by a robot, killed the Legendary Cazador AND Legendary Nightstalker, fought hordes of Legion soldiers, recruited all companions, saved Goodsprings, rescued Ted Gunderson, and accomplished countless other things. I HAVEN'T EVEN BEATEN THE MAIN STORY AND I'M STILL DISCOVERING NEW THINGS!!!!!

I praise both Bethesda and Obsidian for joining forces to deliver a fantastic gaming experience. The writing is awesome, as I felt immersed in the compelling story (so far ), believable characters (Oliver Swanick and Boxcars: 2 of the funniest bastards ever!), and epic moments (Vault 11). Unfortunately, it's still bug-ridden like its precursor and crashes after 2-6 hours of continuous play. Despite its faults, I love this game and this franchise.

[L3 Communications]

Where is the "I expected this game to be absolute garbage and I actually kinda liked it since it included Caeser's slavers, the NCR, and the Hoover Dam from Van Buren; which made me happy. OF COURSE, given that Chris Avellone works at Obsidian (indeed, Obsidian was founded by former Black Isle employees), that wasn't not to be expected.

It is actually a pretty good game.

I do not consider Fallout 3 to be any part of the canon of the Fallout series. The proper canonical chronology is Fallout -- F2 -- New Vegas.

[Hegstoria]

Where is the "I expected this game to be absolute garbage and I actually kinda liked it since it included Caeser's slavers, the NCR, and the Hoover Dam from Van Buren; which made me happy. OF COURSE, given that Chris Avellone works at Obsidian (indeed, Obsidian was founded by former Black Isle employees), that wasn't not to be expected.

It is actually a pretty good game.

I do not consider Fallout 3 to be any part of the canon of the Fallout series. The proper canonical chronology is Fallout -- F2 -- New Vegas.

People who don't consider FO3 to be canon are just plain silly, imo. Just a bunch of people who hate change. Sure, the writing wasn't all that great, but at least it was a dev with a good reputation who knows how to make RPG's that brought it back and not some nobody company who just fucked up the whole thing. I loved the additions Fallout 3 made to the FO canon, and it just seems like such a great area to expand on. To be honest, I don't understand why people hate FO3, is it simply that your still bitter about Black Isle going under?

[Hornopolis]

Got it the day it came out, been playing it everyday.

Its fucking awesome.

[L3 Communications]

Where is the "I expected this game to be absolute garbage and I actually kinda liked it since it included Caeser's slavers, the NCR, and the Hoover Dam from Van Buren; which made me happy. OF COURSE, given that Chris Avellone works at Obsidian (indeed, Obsidian was founded by former Black Isle employees), that wasn't not to be expected.

It is actually a pretty good game.

I do not consider Fallout 3 to be any part of the canon of the Fallout series. The proper canonical chronology is Fallout -- F2 -- New Vegas.

People who don't consider FO3 to be canon are just plain silly, imo. Just a bunch of people who hate change. Sure, the writing wasn't all that great, but at least it was a dev with a good reputation who knows how to make RPG's that brought it back and not some nobody company who just fucked up the whole thing. I loved the additions Fallout 3 made to the FO canon, and it just seems like such a great area to expand on. To be honest, I don't understand why people hate FO3, is it simply that your still bitter about Black Isle going under?

Bethesda cannot make good RPGs.

Their only decent RPG was Daggerfall, and it went downhill from there. Besides, they didn't even develop their spin-off/fan fiction title from any FO source, unlike New Vegas which incorporated several elements from Van Buren (not necessarily the entire story, but the game was canned before proper Alphas could be released), and was designed, written and created by former Interplay and Black Isle employees.

That makes it more of an FO game than that shit Bethesda threw up.

Got it the day it came out, been playing it everyday.

Its fucking awesome.

Rented it for PS3. It's good.

[Chetssaland]

Got it pre-orderd. Picking it up tonight. I'm pretty excited for it since FO3 was great. I just joined the series in 3 but from what I've seen, the other games don't seem to match up with it.

[L3 Communications]

Got it pre-orderd. Picking it up tonight. I'm pretty excited for it since FO3 was great. I just joined the series in 3 but from what I've seen, the other games don't seem to match up with it.

I facepalmed irl. Seriously.

Graphics != Game.

derp

Fallout 1 & 2 are amazing fucking masterpieces, along with Planescape: Torment. If you have not played those games, go buy them now, or w/e.

Play them. They are fucking awesome.

[Hegstoria]

People who don't consider FO3 to be canon are just plain silly, imo. Just a bunch of people who hate change. Sure, the writing wasn't all that great, but at least it was a dev with a good reputation who knows how to make RPG's that brought it back and not some nobody company who just fucked up the whole thing. I loved the additions Fallout 3 made to the FO canon, and it just seems like such a great area to expand on. To be honest, I don't understand why people hate FO3, is it simply that your still bitter about Black Isle going under?

Bethesda cannot make good RPGs.

Their only decent RPG was Daggerfall, and it went downhill from there. Besides, they didn't even develop their spin-off/fan fiction title from any FO source, unlike New Vegas which incorporated several elements from Van Buren (not necessarily the entire story, but the game was canned before proper Alphas could be released), and was designed, written and created by former Interplay and Black Isle employees.

That makes it more of an FO game than that shit Bethesda threw up.

Got it the day it came out, been playing it everyday.

Its fucking awesome.

Rented it for PS3. It's good.

Just because it doesn't expand on alread established stuff doesn't mean it isn't canon, it just means the Devs didn't want to risk fucking up the story and having hardcore fans like you bitching and moaning about how they fucked everything up. They played it safe, they decided to expand on the story on the East Coast, which was a smart move. I think Bethesda should stick with making the games outside of the West Coast and let the Oblivian team work on stuff on the West Coast, would be safer that way. But no matter what they do, someone is going to find something to complain about. This is why we can't have nice things, I suppose.

[L3 Communications]

Just because it doesn't expand on alread established stuff doesn't mean it isn't canon, it just means the Devs didn't want to risk fucking up the story and having hardcore fans like you bitching and moaning about how they fucked everything up. They played it safe, they decided to expand on the story on the East Coast, which was a smart move. I think Bethesda should stick with making the games outside of the West Coast and let the Oblivian team work on stuff on the West Coast, would be safer that way. But no matter what they do, someone is going to find something to complain about. This is why we can't have nice things, I suppose.

I complained because they stomped all over previous FO canon, which had been established in FO1 and FO2.

They made it in an entirely different place, but they still ass raped the canon. They raped it more when they decided to make it on the East Coast. Obsidian did it right, I guess. I haven't beaten NV yet, though. I was giddy as a fucking schoolgirl when I saw the NCR flag.

Not to mention Obsidian actually made the game an RPG instead of an FPS with slow-mo.

[Thurask]

I'll have to wait for when I get the game (tomorrow, I think). One one hand, it looks and feels a lot like Fallout 3 (which I loved), but on the other, it's an Obsidian game (Knights of the Old Republic 2 and Alpha Protocol have permanently lowered my expectations from them).

[Der Teutoniker]

Got it the day it came out, been playing it everyday.

Its fucking awesome.

This. I like 3, and I like that this has the feel of "the same game" but at the same time, the game is incredibly improved. Multiple companions, the companions don't suck as much, or die as easily. The faction thing is going to increase re-playability.

Fantastic game.

Plus the deck of cards is pretty sweet!

[Wolohanistan]

It's released in the UK on friday, and I've got it pre-loaded. I honestly can't wait.

[L3 Communications]

I'll have to wait for when I get the game (tomorrow, I think). One one hand, it looks and feels a lot like Fallout 3 (which I loved), but on the other, it's an Obsidian game (Knights of the Old Republic 2 and Alpha Protocol have permanently lowered my expectations from them).

KoToR 1 & 2 were good.

Alpha Protocol was shit.

[Hegstoria]

Just because it doesn't expand on alread established stuff doesn't mean it isn't canon, it just means the Devs didn't want to risk fucking up the story and having hardcore fans like you bitching and moaning about how they fucked everything up. They played it safe, they decided to expand on the story on the East Coast, which was a smart move. I think Bethesda should stick with making the games outside of the West Coast and let the Oblivian team work on stuff on the West Coast, would be safer that way. But no matter what they do, someone is going to find something to complain about. This is why we can't have nice things, I suppose.

I complained because they stomped all over previous FO canon, which had been established in FO1 and FO2.

They made it in an entirely different place, but they still ass raped the canon. They raped it more when they decided to make it on the East Coast. Obsidian did it right, I guess. I haven't beaten NV yet, though. I was giddy as a fucking schoolgirl when I saw the NCR flag.

Not to mention Obsidian actually made the game an RPG instead of an FPS with slow-mo.

What exactly did they stomp over? Sure the BoS are different, but it was clear from the very start Lyons was never really like them (Though I think the Purge in the Pitt was very BoS esque). The Enclave still want to create a perfect America where there are no mutants. At least Lyons group didn't travel to the East Coast on giant airships and repaired airplanes (lol, stupidest thing ever).

[L3 Communications]

I complained because they stomped all over previous FO canon, which had been established in FO1 and FO2.

They made it in an entirely different place, but they still ass raped the canon. They raped it more when they decided to make it on the East Coast. Obsidian did it right, I guess. I haven't beaten NV yet, though. I was giddy as a fucking schoolgirl when I saw the NCR flag.

Not to mention Obsidian actually made the game an RPG instead of an FPS with slow-mo.

What exactly did they stomp over? Sure the BoS are different, but it was clear from the very start Lyons was never really like them (Though I think the Purge in the Pitt was very BoS esque). The Enclave still want to create a perfect America where there are no mutants. At least Lyons group didn't travel to the East Coast on giant airships and repaired airplanes (lol, stupidest thing ever).

I don't consider Tactics to be canonical either. Mainly because that's clearly a spin-off title meant to capitalise on the profit. Much like Brotherhood of Steel was a spin-off to capitalise on the Fallout name alone (ending with Bethesda's shit).

The Enclave was destroyed at the end of Fallout 2. The President was killed, Horrigan got his ass pwnt by the Chosen One, and their Oil Rig went kaboom. They lost, since their main base of operations was destroyed. HTF did they get to D.C. and RRMC when it was established that the Enclave only operated from the West Coast? Why would they have Vertibirds and a Presidential Office when their main base was the oil rig, and the Vertibirds hardly had the range to reach the mainland much less cross the country?

FEV was destroyed after Marisopa and LA Vault got nuked and the Master got his ass raped by the Chosen One. (Cuz Marisopa had the only FEV stocks left iirc) However, I've heard that theories that the Master's Army and remnants were able to make it across the wasteland and settle in D.C., but that seems highly unlikely due to the sheer disorganisation after the destruction of Marisopa. (Given that they could not have the leadership of the Master, being stupid as hell, super mutants would be unlikely to form the technological base to extract FEV from their blood and recreate it in laboratory conditions required only from pre-war tech).

Harold somehow makes it across the nuclear blasted wastelands of the Midwest to end up in D.C.? Somehow the plant in his head has turned him into a tree? Wat? That's a nitpick, since we never know Harold's true fate.

I'm sure there are a few more, but those are the main ones.

[Hornopolis]

What exactly did they stomp over? Sure the BoS are different, but it was clear from the very start Lyons was never really like them (Though I think the Purge in the Pitt was very BoS esque). The Enclave still want to create a perfect America where there are no mutants. At least Lyons group didn't travel to the East Coast on giant airships and repaired airplanes (lol, stupidest thing ever).

I don't consider Tactics to be canonical either. Mainly because that's clearly a spin-off title meant to capitalise on the profit. Much like Brotherhood of Steel was a spin-off to capitalise on the Fallout name alone (ending with Bethesda's shit).

The Enclave was destroyed at the end of Fallout 2. The President was killed, Horrigan got his ass pwnt by the Chosen One, and their Oil Rig went kaboom. They lost, since their main base of operations was destroyed. HTF did they get to D.C. and RRMC when it was established that the Enclave only operated from the West Coast? Why would they have Vertibirds and a Presidential Office when their main base was the oil rig, and the Vertibirds hardly had the range to reach the mainland much less cross the country?

FEV was destroyed after Marisopa and LA Vault got nuked and the Master got his ass raped by the Chosen One. (Cuz Marisopa had the only FEV stocks left iirc) However, I've heard that theories that the Master's Army and remnants were able to make it across the wasteland and settle in D.C., but that seems highly unlikely due to the sheer disorganisation after the destruction of Marisopa. (Given that they could not have the leadership of the Master, being stupid as hell, super mutants would be unlikely to form the technological base to extract FEV from their blood and recreate it in laboratory conditions required only from pre-war tech).

Harold somehow makes it across the nuclear blasted wastelands of the Midwest to end up in D.C.? Somehow the plant in his head has turned him into a tree? Wat? That's a nitpick, since we never know Harold's true fate.

I'm sure there are a few more, but those are the main ones.

Fallout 3 has its own canon. That canon started when Elder Lyons was sent to the East Coast.

[L3 Communications]

I don't consider Tactics to be canonical either. Mainly because that's clearly a spin-off title meant to capitalise on the profit. Much like Brotherhood of Steel was a spin-off to capitalise on the Fallout name alone (ending with Bethesda's shit).

The Enclave was destroyed at the end of Fallout 2. The President was killed, Horrigan got his ass pwnt by the Chosen One, and their Oil Rig went kaboom. They lost, since their main base of operations was destroyed. HTF did they get to D.C. and RRMC when it was established that the Enclave only operated from the West Coast? Why would they have Vertibirds and a Presidential Office when their main base was the oil rig, and the Vertibirds hardly had the range to reach the mainland much less cross the country?

FEV was destroyed after Marisopa and LA Vault got nuked and the Master got his ass raped by the Chosen One. (Cuz Marisopa had the only FEV stocks left iirc) However, I've heard that theories that the Master's Army and remnants were able to make it across the wasteland and settle in D.C., but that seems highly unlikely due to the sheer disorganisation after the destruction of Marisopa. (Given that they could not have the leadership of the Master, being stupid as hell, super mutants would be unlikely to form the technological base to extract FEV from their blood and recreate it in laboratory conditions required only from pre-war tech).

Harold somehow makes it across the nuclear blasted wastelands of the Midwest to end up in D.C.? Somehow the plant in his head has turned him into a tree? Wat? That's a nitpick, since we never know Harold's true fate.

I'm sure there are a few more, but those are the main ones.

Fallout 3 has its own canon. That canon started when Elder Lyons was sent to the East Coast.

Fallout 3 is not canonical to the rest of the Fallout series.

dwi

[Hornopolis]

Fallout 3 has its own canon. That canon started when Elder Lyons was sent to the East Coast.

Fallout 3 is not canonical to the rest of the Fallout series.

dwi

I always hate to rain on your parade, kat. It is canonical to the Fallout series.

[L3 Communications]

Fallout 3 is not canonical to the rest of the Fallout series.

dwi

I always hate to rain on your parade, kat. It is canonical to the Fallout series.

No, it isn't, considering it stomps all over established canon of the previous games.

It's a spin-off.

[Hornopolis]

I always hate to rain on your parade, kat. It is canonical to the Fallout series.

No, it isn't, considering it stomps all over established canon of the previous games.

It's a spin-off.

Its not. Its full of canon and references of things, places and people from the first two games. A character from the first two games is even in the Capital Wasteland, telling the PC about his journey, and the past.

[L3 Communications]

No, it isn't, considering it stomps all over established canon of the previous games.

It's a spin-off.

Its not. Its full of canon and references of things, places and people from the first two games. A character from the first two games is even in the Capital Wasteland, telling the PC about his journey, and the past.

It also steps on FO2 by having the Enclave (who were, utterly and entirely, destroyed at the end of FO2 by the Chosen One) still around, somehow having Vertibirds (of which the plans were only in that little outpost the Enclave had on the West Coast I forgot the name.)

We're also forgetting that FEV was only found in Marisopa, and somehow super mutants were in D.C.

It's a spin-off. Especially considering it's not even by anyone who'd worked at Interplay, unlike New Vegas. TBH, I expected New Vegas to be garbage because I was expecting it to be developed by Bethesda, but I was pleasantly surprised when I found out that former BI and IP employees worked on it instead.

Very pleasantly.

[Hornopolis]

Its not. Its full of canon and references of things, places and people from the first two games. A character from the first two games is even in the Capital Wasteland, telling the PC about his journey, and the past.

It also steps on FO2 by having the Enclave (who were, utterly and entirely, destroyed at the end of FO2 by the Chosen One) still around, somehow having Vertibirds (of which the plans were only in that little outpost the Enclave had on the West Coast I forgot the name.)

We're also forgetting that FEV was only found in Mariposa, and somehow super mutants were in D.C.

It's a spin-off. Especially considering it's not even by anyone who'd worked at Interplay, unlike New Vegas. TBH, I expected New Vegas to be garbage because I was expecting it to be developed by Bethesda, but I was pleasantly surprised when I found out that former BI and IP employees worked on it instead.

Very pleasantly.

Bethesda Softworks and Obsidian worked together to make New Vegas.

[L3 Communications]

It also steps on FO2 by having the Enclave (who were, utterly and entirely, destroyed at the end of FO2 by the Chosen One) still around, somehow having Vertibirds (of which the plans were only in that little outpost the Enclave had on the West Coast I forgot the name.)

We're also forgetting that FEV was only found in Mariposa, and somehow super mutants were in D.C.

It's a spin-off. Especially considering it's not even by anyone who'd worked at Interplay, unlike New Vegas. TBH, I expected New Vegas to be garbage because I was expecting it to be developed by Bethesda, but I was pleasantly surprised when I found out that former BI and IP employees worked on it instead.

Very pleasantly.

Bethesda Softworks and Obsidian worked together to make New Vegas.

Actually just Obsidian worked on it, Bethesda published the label since they own the name to the game. An intelligent move, considering Bethesda's in-house development group is incapable of both applying Van Buren continuation elements and proper story elements that were intended (primarily due to lack of the knowledge, since Obsidian is composed of veteran RP designers who worked on masterpiece games like Planescape and Icewind Dale).

A very intelligent move, if you ask me. Yes it was built on FO3's engine, but that's not the point. The point is, NV is far closer to Fallout 1 & 2 canon than FO3 is to either.

I still consider FO3 to be a different canon.

[Holy Marsh]

Its not. Its full of canon and references of things, places and people from the first two games. A character from the first two games is even in the Capital Wasteland, telling the PC about his journey, and the past.

It also steps on FO2 by having the Enclave (who were, utterly and entirely, destroyed at the end of FO2 by the Chosen One) still around, somehow having Vertibirds (of which the plans were only in that little outpost the Enclave had on the West Coast I forgot the name.)

We're also forgetting that FEV was only found in Marisopa, and somehow super mutants were in D.C.

It's a spin-off. Especially considering it's not even by anyone who'd worked at Interplay, unlike New Vegas. TBH, I expected New Vegas to be garbage because I was expecting it to be developed by Bethesda, but I was pleasantly surprised when I found out that former BI and IP employees worked on it instead.

Very pleasantly.

I get a sense that if we switched dev names on the games, you'd justify FO3 and crap on New Vegas. Whether or not you want to admit it, FO3 is canon. It stepped all over FO2? Too bad. It is canon to everyone but super fanboys(note: I'm a fanboy of stuff too, so don't take offense. Fanboys are awesome in their devotion.) who would call it canon if it was by Obsidian.

To be clear, I also disliked the direction FO3 took. But it would be like me saying RE4 and RE5 aren't canon in the Resident Evil universe- it crapped on pretty much everything imho and didn't look, feel, pr play like an RE game. It also had very non RE plots. But guess what? Despite the papers I could write on it, it doesn't change that it is canon.

Whether or not you want to admit it, on the east coast there is a BoS detachment that are generic sort of knightly figures instead of the great faction BoS is out west and the enclave was there. It is canon now.