Have you read The Giver?

[Nulono]

No. It was euthanasia plain and clear. The baby was undesirable (so to speak), and reminiscent of other dystopian societies, they eliminated it. This was not murder, since murder has to entail illegal killing.

That's not what euthanasia means.

Euthanasia is a deliberate intervention undertaken with the express intention of ending a life to relieve intractable suffering. What you are describing is not euthanasia, but eugenics, since the intention is not to relieve pain or suffering. From a legal perspective, it is not strictly murder since it is done under a legal framework.

Eugenics is done with the intent of purging undesirables. I got the impression that this was population control.

[Buffett and Colbert]

That's not what euthanasia means.

Euthanasia is a deliberate intervention undertaken with the express intention of ending a life to relieve intractable suffering. What you are describing is not euthanasia, but eugenics, since the intention is not to relieve pain or suffering. From a legal perspective, it is not strictly murder since it is done under a legal framework.

Eugenics is done with the intent of purging undesirables. I got the impression that this was population control.

I.e. undesirable people.

[Nulono]

S: (n) eugenics (the study of methods of improving genetic qualities by selective breeding (especially as applied to human mating))

[Buffett and Colbert]

S: (n) eugenics (the study of methods of improving genetic qualities by selective breeding (especially as applied to human mating))

Infanticide and eugenics go hand in hand.

[Nulono]

S: (n) eugenics (the study of methods of improving genetic qualities by selective breeding (especially as applied to human mating))

Infanticide and eugenics go hand in hand.

If it's done with the intent to improve genetics, yes.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Infanticide and eugenics go hand in hand.

If it's done with the intent to improve genetics, yes.

You know what? I'm confusing myself.

This is euthanasia, and not eugenics. Because you're right, the improvement of genetics is not the goal of "release." However it's alluded to throughout the novel as being sent to Everwhere or Elsewhere (can't remember which), which is portrayed as a good place albeit outside of the community. Euthanasia (eu meaning good) was the means through which they sent people to that "good place." However in reality, it's simply death, which is why the setting is dystopian.

[North Suran]

This is euthanasia, and not eugenics. Because you're right, the improvement of genetics is not the goal of "release." However it's alluded to throughout the novel as being sent to Everwhere or Elsewhere (can't remember which), which is portrayed as a good place albeit outside of the community. Euthanasia (eu meaning good) was the means through which they sent people to that "good place." However in reality, it's simply death, which is why the setting is dystopian.

You kind of focused too much on the "eu" part and too little on the "thanatos".

Euthanasia is explicitly lethal. It's derived from the Greek for "good death". And again, euthanasia is ending the life of a patient who is suffering from an unbearable ailment. The people who get "Released to Elsewhere" tend not to be in this condition, and they have no choice in the matter. If people are killed to remove "undesirables", it has a lot more in common with eugenics than euthanasia.

[Anjanas]

I actually kept it after the assigned reading was done, which means I liked it. Though the ending annoyed me, and their speech patterns annoyed me because of their perfect-ness. I could read it again, but I'd start nitpicking it.

[Buffett and Colbert]

This is euthanasia, and not eugenics. Because you're right, the improvement of genetics is not the goal of "release." However it's alluded to throughout the novel as being sent to Everwhere or Elsewhere (can't remember which), which is portrayed as a good place albeit outside of the community. Euthanasia (eu meaning good) was the means through which they sent people to that "good place." However in reality, it's simply death, which is why the setting is dystopian.

You kind of focused too much on the "eu" part and too little on the "thanatos".

Euthanasia is explicitly lethal. It's derived from the Greek for "good death". And again, euthanasia is ending the life of a patient who is suffering from an unbearable ailment. The people who get "Released to Elsewhere" tend not to be in this condition, and they have no choice in the matter. If people are killed to remove "undesirables", it has a lot more in common with eugenics than euthanasia.

But you're focusing to much on the "eu" and too little on the "genics."

Eugenics specifically deals with genetically improving a race via breeding, eliminating undesirable races, etc. And I don't see how I'm not focusing on the "thanatos" part since it means death. Those were "released" were killed. Meaning they died. In a deathly manner.

Euthanasia is typically supposed to relieve suffering. Isn't that what they're doing in that twisted world? Consent and euthanasia don't necessarily go hand in hand. And the people who are released are ailed with whatever inhibits them from conforming to the norms of their society.

[Colterica]

yes it was kinda good