Kirk Vs Picard

[United Earthlings]

The Kirk vs Picard debate has long since been settled, to use cultural references from other sci-fi shows see Futurerama episodes "I Dated a Robot"-carefully review the trek scene and for a quick guide "Where No Fan Has Gone Before".

Also, considering Picard actually manage to survive till the end and Kirk managed to die not just once, but twice with the second time in a fight against Suran, I think Picard is FTW considering he's actually the only one left alive to fight another day.

I rather like Sisko, but this wasn't a best Trek captain thread so.

Well, it is now...Since, I prefer DS9 and Sisko is so much more of a badass, who else could punch a Q and get away with it, who else could not just incite one intergalactic war, but two {Bringing the Romulans into the fight} and not be court-marital by Starfleet for violating the Prime Directive and all that the Federation stands for.

Sisko wins hands down...

[Meridiani Planum]

The answer is obvious...

Captain John Sheridan.

[MisanthropicPopulism]

Well, it is now...Since, I prefer DS9 and Sisko is so much more of a badass, who else could punch a Q and get away with it, who else could not just incite one intergalactic war, but two {Bringing the Romulans into the fight} and not be court-marital by Starfleet for violating the Prime Directive and all that the Federation stands for.

That's not what the Prime Directive is and bringing the Romulans into the fight (by ATTACKING them) was solely the work of the Cardassian ex-pat

[United Earthlings]

That's not what the Prime Directive is

Not all of it, but it is a facet of it as gleaned from the various canons, I.E. shows.

bringing the Romulans into the fight (by ATTACKING them) was solely the work of the Cardassian ex-pat

You might want to re-watch that episode again as your missing some key facts.

[Arylyx]

I'll just rank them all:

Picard beats Kirk
Picard beats Sisko
Picard beats Janeway
Janeway beats Kirk
Janeway beats Sisko
Kirk beats Sisko
Archer doesn't count.

[Sith Korriban]

And I say
Bounce a graviton particle beam
Off the main deflector dish
That's the way we do things lad
We're makin' shit up as we wish~

I prefer Sisko, though Picard comes in second.

And I would actively pay to see Kirk have to deal with Major Kira Nerys...

Kirk: *sleazesleaze*
Kira: ... *glare*
Kirk: *waggles eyebrow and talks more jerkily*
Kira: *rips out Kirk's intestines and uses them to strangle him, because she don't take that shit from anyone*

[KludgeMUSH]

Kirk > Cue-ball Picard any day

Peh. Kirk wears a toupee. At least Picard is openly bald!

[MisanthropicPopulism]

Not all of it, but it is a facet of it as gleaned from the various canons, I.E. shows.

No, it's none of it. The Prime Directive is you cannot interfere with developing civilizations (which if I recall, means that they are not warp capable)

You might want to re-watch that episode again as your missing some key facts.

And what exactly am I missing? They WERE trying to ally with the Romulans against the Dominion, and the Romulans were about to blow them off until the guy blew them up and made it look like the Dominion did it.

[United Earthlings]

No, it's none of it. The Prime Directive is you cannot interfere with developing civilizations (which if I recall, means that they are not warp capable)

Slight correction on my part, I was referring more to the other Starfleet directives or General Orders that the Prime Directive is part of. So, yes you are correct in that the Prime Directive deals mainly with non-interference in developing civilizations and which was later amended to include warp capable species.

Still using the amended version, Sisko still violated the Prime Directive by interfering in the internal affairs of the Romulan Empire. He just got away with it, because the Federation was in desperate straits at the time.

And what exactly am I missing? They WERE trying to ally with the Romulans against the Dominion, and the Romulans were about to blow them off until the guy blew them up and made it look like the Dominion did it.

Quite a bit in fact, Sisko securing Grathon Tolar from execution from the Klingon Empire which could only be done by convincing Gowron to free him, the trading of a rare biomemetic gel, which was not for sale at any price and was strictly controlled by the Federation, to trade for an genuine Cardassian holographic data rod and that's just for starters. Would you like me to go on?

If, you really think Garak could have arranged those things above by himself, I'd love to hear it because that's not what they implied in the episode, which you really need to sit down and watch again sometime.

[Merssan]

Fucking Picard all the way.

[GeneralHaNor]

First, I came when I read this topic title

Second, Jean-Luc, you can't pick anybody else and be honest with yourself

[Niravon]

Picard simply because I've never seen the original startrek's episodes beyond the youtube videos labelled Worst Fight Ever or something like that.

[NERVUN]

Not all of it, but it is a facet of it as gleaned from the various canons, I.E. shows.

No, it's none of it. The Prime Directive is you cannot interfere with developing civilizations (which if I recall, means that they are not warp capable)

No, by the 24th Century, it included non-interfearence in other civilizations internal afairs, warp capable or not. http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Prime_directive

Sisko did indeed violate it when he got the Romulans involved.

[Lyassa and Nairoa]

Picard

A REAL actor plays that part. Awesome brit accent too.

[Norrain]

Admiral Ackbar every time

[GeneralHaNor]

Nobody in their right mind would ever have put Kirk in charge of anything

Are you kidding? His crazy schemes always work!

The man beat the Kobeashi Maru Simulation...by cheating

[Merssan]

Admiral Ackbar every time

I lol'ed. But let's not get into a Picard verus Ackbar argument.

It's a trap.

[Maltropia]

Kirk: *talks more jerkily*

Is that possible?

Admiral Ackbar every time

I lol'ed. But let's not get into a Picard verus Ackbar argument.

It's a trap.

Epic.

In fact, I'm sigging that.

[GeneralHaNor]

Starfleet officer =/= military officer? I think that's only like half the time.

Starfleet is not a military organization anymore than NASA is.

Not really, Starfleet has a mission to act as military organization when necessary
The Dominion War wasn't fought by some other Federation Agency, it was Starfleet that did the heaving lifting.

[GeneralHaNor]

If I want to win a war, Sisko.

this is probably true, Sisko was a strategist, capable of making the "Hard Decisions" he had a big picture mentality, and thought long term.
That is until he went insane....blame the prophets.

[GeneralHaNor]

Why does everyone hate on Archer?

I like to pretend "Enterprise" does not exist in cannon, and consequently Archer
He was a fairly good captain actually, however the show is just awful

It actually had a "Dallas" ending..........damm you riker.

[Maurepas]

If they were gonna fight, I'd have to put my money on Shatner...I'd imagine Picard is a better strategist though.

[GeneralHaNor]

If they were gonna fight, I'd have to put my money on Shatner...I'd imagine Picard is a better strategist though.

Kirk fights dirty

[Sith Korriban]

If they were gonna fight, I'd have to put my money on Shatner...I'd imagine Picard is a better strategist though.

Kirk fights dirty

Picard can just get Troi or Beverly to flash their boobs at Kirk and he'd be too distracted to win.

[Merssan]

Kirk: *talks more jerkily*

Is that possible?

I lol'ed. But let's not get into a Picard verus Ackbar argument.

It's a trap.

Epic.

In fact, I'm sigging that.

Gasped, I got sigged!