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The Dark Side Of The Thread: Pink Floyd

Postby Esthe » Thu Mar 11, 2021 1:44 pm

This is a place to talk about Pink Floyd, and anything to do with their members. If you want me to, I will review individual songs from their albums in chronological order, of course including non-album singles as well.
Edit: Song reviews will be on Sundays, if this survives until then.
Edit 2: Ratings will be given out of 10. Example: 5/10
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:35 pm

So how much of a purest would you be...

Does the band need to have Syd Barrett in it to be proper Pink Floyd?

Or did they stop being Pink Floyd when Wright left?

Or the big break, Roger Waters? Do Momentary Lapse of Reason, Division Bell, and Endless River count?

...I actually haven't listened to Endless River yet, I'm a bad fan.

I saw the tour supporting the Division Bell at the Oakland stadium and Roger Waters tour of The Wall in San Jose, both great. Whatshisname, the guitarist that use to lead the SNL band GE Smith played Gilmour's parts. Really dedicated himself to replicating it. But Smith is a session guy, that's what he does.

Wish You Were Here is probably my favorite album, but in general that grouping of albums up to Dark Side are all great. I'm not as strong on the Syd Barrett years, mostly just Piper at the Gates of Dawn.
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Postby Esthe » Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:51 am

The only album that had Syd on all the tracks was Piper. And to answer your question, Pink Floyd died when Richard
left.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:33 pm

Esthe wrote:The only album that had Syd on all the tracks was Piper.

You seem like a new cat, so I'll offer this if you want to help juice your threads. If someone makes a comment that asks some questions or engages in some way with your op, that's the part you should interact with instead of a one line piece of trivia or correction. Where am I supposed to go with that? It's like you threw a mud trap in front of further discussion. Just a tip, take it or leave it. For the record, any thread I create goes over like a lead balloon.
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Postby Esthe » Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:45 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Esthe wrote:The only album that had Syd on all the tracks was Piper.

You seem like a new cat, so I'll offer this if you want to help juice your threads. If someone makes a comment that asks some questions or engages in some way with your op, that's the part you should interact with instead of a one line piece of trivia or correction. Where am I supposed to go with that? It's like you threw a mud trap in front of further discussion. Just a tip, take it or leave it. For the record, any thread I create goes over like a lead balloon.

Thanks for the tip! I edited my post so I could answer your question.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:16 pm

Esthe wrote:The only album that had Syd on all the tracks was Piper. And to answer your question, Pink Floyd died when Richard
left.

Damn, didn't expect that. So no Final Cut or do you move it to The Wall as well since he left during that album? Do the Gilmour led albums count because Wright came back or is it a matter of 'full set,' (minus Barret), anything less than Waters, Gilmour, Wright, and Mason is not the band?
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Postby Esthe » Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:18 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Esthe wrote:The only album that had Syd on all the tracks was Piper. And to answer your question, Pink Floyd died when Richard
left.

Damn, didn't expect that. So no Final Cut or do you move it to The Wall as well since he left during that album? Do the Gilmour led albums count because Wright came back or is it a matter of 'full set,' (minus Barret), anything less than Waters, Gilmour, Wright, and Mason is not the band?

Definitely full set. I’ve listened to all albums except for Endless River, and the songs post-waters weren’t particularly memorable.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:40 pm

Esthe wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Damn, didn't expect that. So no Final Cut or do you move it to The Wall as well since he left during that album? Do the Gilmour led albums count because Wright came back or is it a matter of 'full set,' (minus Barret), anything less than Waters, Gilmour, Wright, and Mason is not the band?

Definitely full set. I’ve listened to all albums except for Endless River, and the songs post-waters weren’t particularly memorable.

Oh come on, who can forget the song about recycling?

I rather like Momentary Lapse of Reason but that was my high school Floyd album along with Dark Side of the Moon. Momentary Lapse was new when I was in high school (don't do the math...but I already said I was at the Division Bell tour or whatever they called that live album) So songs like On the Turning Away and Learning to Fly stick with me.

By the time I settled into being a fan it was that Dark Side of the Moon/Wish You Where Here/Animals/Meddle area that really caught me. I listened to Piper kind of regular but never really got into things like Umaguma etc.

Though I did become momentarily obsessed with Obscured By Clouds to the point where I even watched the movie (The Valley? Something like that). It'll sound like a sin, but Free Four would make a cool ska song.

I have a ska version of both Wish You Were Here and Brain Damage.

They're...acquired tastes.

Also became obsessed with If off Atom Heart Mother for a while.

You'd think I'd be more into Umaguma because in my normal listening it's experimental composition and free jazz so their noise experiments are right up my alley, just never got around to it.

By the by, I listened to Endless River yesterday and found it rather soothing.
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Postby Esthe » Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:47 pm

Anyhow, everyone state how they got into Pink Floyd, if not looking at this thread because you want to know what their best tracks are in my opinion.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:58 pm

Esthe wrote:Anyhow, everyone state how they got into Pink Floyd, if not looking at this thread because you want to know what their best tracks are in my opinion.

The way nature intended, a gift from a cool uncle at just the right time.
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Postby Esthe » Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:02 pm

For me, it was while listening to the radio on a long drive. “Time” came on, and I got intrigued. Once I arrived home, I attempted to figure out who sang it, and after a bit of googling, I figured out that it was Pink Floyd. I got an Amazon Unlimited subscription and began listening to their back catalogue, which brings us to where we are today.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:05 pm

Esthe wrote:For me, it was while listening to the radio on a long drive. “Time” came on, and I got intrigued. Once I arrived home, I attempted to figure out who sang it, and after a bit of googling, I figured out that it was Pink Floyd. I got an Amazon Unlimited subscription and began listening to their back catalogue, which brings us to where we are today.

Time has my favorite lyric in it.
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Postby Esthe » Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:12 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Esthe wrote:For me, it was while listening to the radio on a long drive. “Time” came on, and I got intrigued. Once I arrived home, I attempted to figure out who sang it, and after a bit of googling, I figured out that it was Pink Floyd. I got an Amazon Unlimited subscription and began listening to their back catalogue, which brings us to where we are today.

Time has my favorite lyric in it.

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Postby Esthe » Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:08 am

Right, the poll has ended, and most of you want me to do non-album singles!
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Arnold Layne

Postby Esthe » Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:15 am

This one feels rather like a mixture. 80% Rolling Stones and 20% Doors. The Floyd have great vocals on this, and the subject matter is rather daring for ‘67. (It’s about a man who puts on women’s clothing) Kudos as well to Richard Wright’s great (Farfisa?) organ playing.


Rating: 10/10
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Postby Fundon » Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:25 am

I just realized that Syd Barrett-era Floyd seems a lot more underrated than after he left. It’s a shame, because Pink Floyd wouldn’t have been the same without him.

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Candy And A Currant Bun

Postby Esthe » Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:04 am

This one’s still relatively controversial (If you listen closely to the second line of the first “Please, ______” section, you can hear Syd sing the f-word, and the lyrics seem vaguely pedophillic), but it’s still pretty good. It has very rough production, which makes it all the more psychedelic. There’s a creepy burst of feedback that is at the beginning and end of the song.


Rating: 8/10


So that’s the first single, and it’s a strong start to the Floyd’s career, I must say. Look in next week as I begin the first album.
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Postby Sitien » Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:10 am

I love Candy and a Currant Bun. That solo in the middle is very reminiscent of Arnold Layne, they can almost be the same song.

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Postby Anollasia » Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:11 pm

Pink Floyd is a mixed bag for me. Their best work is absolutely amazing (The Dark Side of the Moon, most songs on A Saucerful of Secrets, some songs on Obscured by Clouds, Echoes, See Emily Play, Arnold Layne, Wish You Were Here, the hits from The Wall) but they've also done a lot of music that I don't enjoy listening to (Ummagumma, the title track of A Saucerful of Secrets, most of The Wall, Animals, most of their stuff from the 80s). If I only stick to the stuff I like, then yeah they're pretty good.

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Postby Esthe » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:06 pm

Anollasia wrote:Pink Floyd is a mixed bag for me. Their best work is absolutely amazing (The Dark Side of the Moon, most songs on A Saucerful of Secrets, some songs on Obscured by Clouds, Echoes, See Emily Play, Arnold Layne, Wish You Were Here, the hits from The Wall) but they've also done a lot of music that I don't enjoy listening to (Ummagumma, the title track of A Saucerful of Secrets, most of The Wall, Animals, most of their stuff from the 80s). If I only stick to the stuff I like, then yeah they're pretty good.

That’s how I am with most bands, unless it’s The Beatles/Yes/Pink Floyd. I listen to the bad stuff some days, just to stop myself from completely forgetting that they’re human.
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Postby Anollasia » Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:09 pm

Esthe wrote:
Anollasia wrote:Pink Floyd is a mixed bag for me. Their best work is absolutely amazing (The Dark Side of the Moon, most songs on A Saucerful of Secrets, some songs on Obscured by Clouds, Echoes, See Emily Play, Arnold Layne, Wish You Were Here, the hits from The Wall) but they've also done a lot of music that I don't enjoy listening to (Ummagumma, the title track of A Saucerful of Secrets, most of The Wall, Animals, most of their stuff from the 80s). If I only stick to the stuff I like, then yeah they're pretty good.

That’s how I am with most bands, unless it’s The Beatles/Yes/Pink Floyd. I listen to the bad stuff some days, just to stop myself from completely forgetting that they’re human.


Usually with other bands the albums I don't like are the albums most people don't like. But with Pink Floyd, I'm not a fan of their more acclaimed albums like Animals and The Wall either. I think it might be because I don't really like Roger Waters leading the band and I don't like the cynicism that permeates those albums.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:06 pm

Anollasia wrote:
Esthe wrote:That’s how I am with most bands, unless it’s The Beatles/Yes/Pink Floyd. I listen to the bad stuff some days, just to stop myself from completely forgetting that they’re human.


Usually with other bands the albums I don't like are the albums most people don't like. But with Pink Floyd, I'm not a fan of their more acclaimed albums like Animals and The Wall either. I think it might be because I don't really like Roger Waters leading the band and I don't like the cynicism that permeates those albums.

I can see that. By the time you get to Final Cut you just start feeling "Geez, man...lighten up."
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See Emily Play

Postby Esthe » Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:04 am

Okay, two things.

1. Sorry I’m late. There was a power outage yesterday and I never got around to this when it came back on.
2. We are not starting Piper this week. Instead, we are doing the A-side of Pink Floyd’s sophomore single, given that the B-side is on the album.
One thing I’ve noticed with most psychedelic rock groups is that the pop overwhelms the psychedelia (Sgt. Peppercomes to mind), or they’re just too experimental for their own good (Ummagumma-era Floyd). Yet, the Floyd somehow manage to be super poppy, while also being really psychedelic. The sound in the guitar solo almost sounds like The Beatles’ “Only A Northern Song”. The Floyd’s vocals aren’t quite as good as “Arnold”, but the instruments make up for it.

Rating: 9/10
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Australian rePublic wrote:IF YOU DON'T EAT YOUR MEAT, YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY PUDDING! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

What does this have to do with the Floyd?
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