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Postby Crysuko » Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:08 pm

all you have to do is pull the trigger. push the button. touch the 2 wires together, and the bad guy(s) are defeated and destroyed. but nooooo i'm the lawful good hero and I must now have a crisis of conciense and blue ball our entire audience of a satisfying victory. if you don't want to kill off your antagonist too early, fine but find a better way of doing it than this.
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:36 am

Crysuko wrote:all you have to do is pull the trigger. push the button. touch the 2 wires together, and the bad guy(s) are defeated and destroyed. but nooooo i'm the lawful good hero and I must now have a crisis of conciense and blue ball our entire audience of a satisfying victory. if you don't want to kill off your antagonist too early, fine but find a better way of doing it than this.


On the subject, it annoys me when one of good guys takes down an enemy, but even when they’re close they don’t shoot them in head to make sure they’re dead. It almost always ends with said enemy coming back later to mess things up.
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Postby Cereskia » Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:38 am

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Postby Cavirfi » Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:42 am

The "not like other girls" or "good girl" trope. Jesus Christ, it's so common, even 'til today, it is just more discreet and subtle
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Postby AOKI OS » Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:44 am

I'd say my biggest pet peeve with Cliches in Writing is the Kiss after it all. Bleh. An opposite example, which is my favorite part of the movie (Rogue One) is the Send off of Cassian and Jyn. No kissing, just a hug as they watch the planet is obliterates.

Spoilers?
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Postby Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:58 am

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Nantoraka wrote:Love triangles.
Swear on God, every poorly written work of fiction will have one love triangle involving the protagonist...usually with the flawless/attractive/superior mary sue protagonist easily winning out every single time.

I hate love triangles.


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Would it kill to add some pizazz

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Postby Atheris » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:00 am

AOKI OS wrote:I'd say my biggest pet peeve with Cliches in Writing is the Kiss after it all. Bleh. An opposite example, which is my favorite part of the movie (Rogue One) is the Send off of Cassian and Jyn. No kissing, just a hug as they watch the planet is obliterates.

Spoilers?

Same thing happens in Pacific Rim at the end of the movie. No kiss, just a little head touch. It's so much better that way.
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Postby New Swaraelia » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:01 am

The tension was unbearable as [main character] and [villain] stood face to face. Neither wished to shoot. Suddenly, [main character] does a hyper super sonic backflip shananabanana trick, knocking [villain] out and saving [country name] forever.
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:03 am

New Swaraelia wrote:The tension was unbearable as [main character] and [villain] stood face to face. Neither wished to shoot. Suddenly, [main character] does a hyper super sonic backflip shananabanana trick, knocking [villain] out and saving [country name] forever.

I KNEW YOU COULD DO IT, ALASTAIR!!!

Or when the scrawny, uncoordinated character saves the day and wins the game because everything had to hinge on them to prove they are not so awkward after all.
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Postby Atheris » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:24 am

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:
New Swaraelia wrote:The tension was unbearable as [main character] and [villain] stood face to face. Neither wished to shoot. Suddenly, [main character] does a hyper super sonic backflip shananabanana trick, knocking [villain] out and saving [country name] forever.

I KNEW YOU COULD DO IT, ALASTAIR!!!

Or when the scrawny, uncoordinated character saves the day and wins the game because everything had to hinge on them to prove they are not so awkward after all.

...Huh. I never realized I hated that cliché so much. Probably one of the reasons I like Eva so much, because it does the exact opposite of that by going the way of
the scrawny, uncoordinated character ruining the day and killing everyone because he's a genuinely evil human being.
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:30 am

Atheris wrote:
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:I KNEW YOU COULD DO IT, ALASTAIR!!!

Or when the scrawny, uncoordinated character saves the day and wins the game because everything had to hinge on them to prove they are not so awkward after all.

...Huh. I never realized I hated that cliché so much. Probably one of the reasons I like Eva so much, because it does the exact opposite of that by going the way of
the scrawny, uncoordinated character ruining the day and killing everyone because he's a genuinely evil human being.

N I C E .
Be Eva an Ace Attorney Character?
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Postby Atheris » Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:40 am

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:
Atheris wrote:...Huh. I never realized I hated that cliché so much. Probably one of the reasons I like Eva so much, because it does the exact opposite of that by going the way of
the scrawny, uncoordinated character ruining the day and killing everyone because he's a genuinely evil human being.

N I C E .
Be Eva an Ace Attorney Character?

Neon Genesis: Evangelion. It's an anime. A really good one. A really good, trippy, fucked-up one that's full of nonsense.
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Postby Crysuko » Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:21 pm

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Crysuko wrote:all you have to do is pull the trigger. push the button. touch the 2 wires together, and the bad guy(s) are defeated and destroyed. but nooooo i'm the lawful good hero and I must now have a crisis of conciense and blue ball our entire audience of a satisfying victory. if you don't want to kill off your antagonist too early, fine but find a better way of doing it than this.


On the subject, it annoys me when one of good guys takes down an enemy, but even when they’re close they don’t shoot them in head to make sure they’re dead. It almost always ends with said enemy coming back later to mess things up.

yeah i've seen that come back to bite more than a few times. also related is the convention of the hero generally having a schizophrenic interpretation of morality
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Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

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Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

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Postby New yugoslavaia » Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:00 pm

Crysuko wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:
On the subject, it annoys me when one of good guys takes down an enemy, but even when they’re close they don’t shoot them in head to make sure they’re dead. It almost always ends with said enemy coming back later to mess things up.

yeah i've seen that come back to bite more than a few times. also related is the convention of the hero generally having a schizophrenic interpretation of morality


Elaborate.
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How the hell did this happen?
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Postby Atheris » Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:11 pm

Villain kills a character with a wound that wouldn't even be fatal in real life.

Looking at you, Sephiroth.
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Postby Chan Island » Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:29 pm

Atheris wrote:Villain kills a character with a wound that wouldn't even be fatal in real life.

Looking at you, Sephiroth.


And then of course there's fictional characters surviving gunshot wounds to the shoulder with no problem.

Shoulders are fragile pieces of machinery, bullets mess up a lot of stuff there and those wounds often cause permanent injuries and regularly death.
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:30 pm

Atheris wrote:Villain kills a character with a wound that wouldn't even be fatal in real life.

Looking at you, Sephiroth.


Or (also on the note of RPGs) characters being killed despite the fact you can heal them or revive them in gameplay.
Yugoslavia's back baby...

How the hell did this happen?
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:30 pm

Chan Island wrote:
Atheris wrote:Villain kills a character with a wound that wouldn't even be fatal in real life.

Looking at you, Sephiroth.


And then of course there's fictional characters surviving gunshot wounds to the shoulder with no problem.

Shoulders are fragile pieces of machinery, bullets mess up a lot of stuff there and those wounds often cause permanent injuries and regularly death.


I guess same applies to the legs too.
Yugoslavia's back baby...

How the hell did this happen?
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Postby Crysuko » Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:36 pm

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Chan Island wrote:
And then of course there's fictional characters surviving gunshot wounds to the shoulder with no problem.

Shoulders are fragile pieces of machinery, bullets mess up a lot of stuff there and those wounds often cause permanent injuries and regularly death.


I guess same applies to the legs too.

a shot to the thigh can cause you to bleed out. there's a major artery there
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This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

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Postby Xmara » Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:13 pm

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Chan Island wrote:
And then of course there's fictional characters surviving gunshot wounds to the shoulder with no problem.

Shoulders are fragile pieces of machinery, bullets mess up a lot of stuff there and those wounds often cause permanent injuries and regularly death.


I guess same applies to the legs too.

Depends on where and with what. Take, for instance that time that my dad accidentally shot himself in the calf with a .22 a few years ago. He narrowly missed hitting a major artery, but he still bled quite a bit. He has some mild nerve damage in that leg now, but it otherwise works the same as before. Also, there was no exit wound and the bullet is still in his leg. He told me that initially he didn't feel anything, but then within about a minute the pain kicked in. That's when he had to lie down on the floor while I called 911 and tended to his wound until the paramedics arrived.

So yeah. On rare occasions you can get shot and not end up with any major damage. But more often than not, you're gonna have permanent injuries (assuming you survive).
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:17 pm

Xmara wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:
I guess same applies to the legs too.

Depends on where and with what. Take, for instance that time that my dad accidentally shot himself in the calf with a .22 a few years ago. He narrowly missed hitting a major artery, but he still bled quite a bit. He has some mild nerve damage in that leg now, but it otherwise works the same as before. Also, there was no exit wound and the bullet is still in his leg. He told me that initially he didn't feel anything, but then within about a minute the pain kicked in. That's when he had to lie down on the floor while I called 911 and tended to his wound until the paramedics arrived.

So yeah. On rare occasions you can get shot and not end up with any major damage. But more often than not, you're gonna have permanent injuries (assuming you survive).

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Postby Forsher » Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:55 pm

A website autogenerated a story for me:

Frederick Mayer looked at the worn candlestick in his hands and felt tense.

He walked over to the window and reflected on his upcoming surroundings. He had always hated grotty Papakura with its curly, cold culverts. It was a place that encouraged his tendency to feel tense.

Then he saw something in the distance, or rather someone. It was the figure of Annabelle Dorian. Annabelle was a thoughtless lover with beautiful stomach and brunette hands.

Frederick gulped. He glanced at his own reflection. He was an arrogant, dominant, port drinker with wiry stomach and weathered hands. His friends saw him as an evil, excited emperor. Once, he had even brought a fresh elderly dog back from the brink of death.

But not even an arrogant person who had once brought a fresh elderly dog back from the brink of death, was prepared for what Annabelle had in store today.

The overcast teased like mourning dogs, making Frederick anxious.

As Frederick stepped outside and Annabelle came closer, he could see the eggy glint in her eye.

"Look Frederick," growled Annabelle, with a selfless glare that reminded Frederick of thoughtless gulls. "It's not that I don't love you, but I want A baby. You owe me 2105 dollars."

Frederick looked back, even more anxious and still fingering the worn candlestick. "Annabelle, this is my life," he replied.

They looked at each other with worried feelings, like two scattered, strange sparrows discovering at a very generous funeral, which had choral music playing in the background and two spiteful uncles running to the beat.

Suddenly, Annabelle lunged forward and tried to punch Frederick in the face. Quickly, Frederick grabbed the worn candlestick and brought it down on Annabelle's skull.

Annabelle's beautiful stomach trembled and her brunette hands wobbled. She looked agitated, her wallet raw like a red, raw ring.

Then she let out an agonising groan and collapsed onto the ground. Moments later Annabelle Dorian was dead.

Frederick Mayer went back inside and made himself a nice glass of port.


Observe the completely unforeshadowed plot twist cliche, the overly moody and violent protagonist cliche and also the financial troubles causing relationship issues related to a baby cliche. (Admittedly, the latter two cliches were sort of where the input options I gave the site were likely to end up.)

However, notice that we avoided the "serious injury does no meaningful damage" cliche.
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Postby Miku the Based » Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:59 pm

When words turn into paragraphs and paragraphs turn into chapters and at the end you realize there is no point to it.
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Postby Crysuko » Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:02 pm

Miku the Based wrote:When words turn into paragraphs and paragraphs turn into chapters and at the end you realize there is no point to it.

can you elaborate on this
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This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

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Postby Voxija » Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:24 am

Two cliches for the price of one!

The first is when the adults can't do anything while the kids solve the problem. It's like when you turn 18, your competence magically disappears.




A kid is the target of homophobic bullying for stupid reasons. The kid turns out to be gay anyway, as if a bunch of dumb bullies can predict their victim's sexuality. I don't know how to describe this trope without seeming homophobic.
The Republic of Voxija (pronounced: Voshiya)
I'm female.
Some weird Jew. Trying to learn French and failing. An American who wishes the US would switch to the metric system. Part of a giant conspiracy. Secret pyromaniac? I will never make an OOC factbook!

my politics are confused and muddled
Most of my grammar errors are on purpose. Sppeling errors, tho...
I'd rather be fishing. | Author of Issues 1324 and 1346.
Generic MT liberal democracy Meh. | I think that by now I've created more lore for my nation than most real-world nations have.
Disclaimer: the views of my characters do not necessarily represent the views of the author.

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