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Is This The Way? Mando Season 3 Thoughts

Its Amazing
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Its Pretty Good
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Its Meh
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Its bad
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Its Terrible
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jun 09, 2022 2:01 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:The one thing I forgot to mention was the probable introduction for plot holes.

Leia’s wacky adventure with Obi-Wan goes against New Hope as the Leia message suggested they had not met.

The fight with Vader is the same with New Hope. Comments about Obi-Wan and the interaction suggested they hadn’t seen each other since the fall of the old republic.


Pointing out that Obi-Wan served alongside Bail during the Clone Wars doesn't preclude Obi-Wan and Leia meeting.

And all that Vader says in ANH is that Obi-Wan schooled him in their last meeting.
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Postby Fedel » Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:43 am

The writer for Kenobi apparently didn't know that Obi Wan knew who Vader was...

“That was actually not something I pitched originally,” Harold stated. “That was something I discovered along the way, and sort of had to confirm with Pablo [Hidalgo] and really think, ‘Hold on a second, what does he actually know?”
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Harold questioned, “Does he know the moniker Vader? What would that mean? Can he associate the two? What was he cognizant of? How isolated is he? Where’s Vader at that time? Where’s his reputation and how well known is he?’ and all those pieces of the puzzle.”


The writer for Kenobi may not have seen Revenge of the Sith...

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Not convinced GI is going to show back up or that the plothole that is his death will be resolved either now. :/
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Postby Jedi Council » Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:08 am

Vassenor wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:The one thing I forgot to mention was the probable introduction for plot holes.

Leia’s wacky adventure with Obi-Wan goes against New Hope as the Leia message suggested they had not met.

The fight with Vader is the same with New Hope. Comments about Obi-Wan and the interaction suggested they hadn’t seen each other since the fall of the old republic.


Pointing out that Obi-Wan served alongside Bail during the Clone Wars doesn't preclude Obi-Wan and Leia meeting.

And all that Vader says in ANH is that Obi-Wan schooled him in their last meeting.

I agree.... but, and its a pretty big but, it is a bit jarring when thinking about her ANH message not including reference to this rollicking adventure.

"Hi, we almost died a bunch together and you rescued me from the Inquisitors, please help me again," is a bit of a better hook than "You helped my dad fight in a war two decades ago."

Again, its not the biggest issue but it definitely hurts the immersion.

A better storyline would, imo, left Leia out of it. Luke is all the motivation Obi-Wan needs. For example, Have an inquisitor discover who Luke is and have the story be a thrilling chase through the Galaxy with Kenobi hunting the Inquisitor before they can tell Vader.

Something like that with Luke at the heart of his motivations, would have made a bit more sense.

Fedel wrote:The writer for Kenobi apparently didn't know that Obi Wan knew who Vader was...

“That was actually not something I pitched originally,” Harold stated. “That was something I discovered along the way, and sort of had to confirm with Pablo [Hidalgo] and really think, ‘Hold on a second, what does he actually know?”
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The writer for Kenobi may not have seen Revenge of the Sith...

(Image)

Not convinced GI is going to show back up or that the plothole that is his death will be resolved either now. :/


To be fair, I also forgot that recording mentioned Vader at first. Now, I am not a Disney writer so I don't think I have a responsibility to remember that, but I digress.
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Postby Imperial Rifta » Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:14 am

In response to Jedi Council’s idea:

It’s honestly sad that this random fan’s idea is better than the ideas of a team of paid writers at Disney.

And sadder how many times this has happened. Like that time Lady Victory rewrote the sequels.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:39 am

Vassenor wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:The one thing I forgot to mention was the probable introduction for plot holes.

Leia’s wacky adventure with Obi-Wan goes against New Hope as the Leia message suggested they had not met.

The fight with Vader is the same with New Hope. Comments about Obi-Wan and the interaction suggested they hadn’t seen each other since the fall of the old republic.


Pointing out that Obi-Wan served alongside Bail during the Clone Wars doesn't preclude Obi-Wan and Leia meeting.

And all that Vader says in ANH is that Obi-Wan schooled him in their last meeting.


The original message isn’t the issue as there is no real way to change that…..well let’s make sure George isn’t a member of NationStates ;)

Still, it’s the feeling of the story flow and what they did with it. The feel….the immersion….Obi-Wan has now rescued her twice. He has now shown he is a Jedi….it suggests they were a little more close then expected. Basically a flow issue. Now if he was all blaster and really didn’t use the force or the lightsaber in her presence?….She would have only been guessing.

Not really a big plot hole like hyper driving a ship into the bigger ship…..

Now as to the schooling in the last meeting? Well….there are two episodes left; maybe it will happen. Maybe not.

I am not really expect much. The inquisitors were rather lack luster. The actress playing third sister didn’t even watch the movies let alone prepare and it showed. The same for the main inquisitor it seems. Never mind the fact he met his end in fight with Kanan and not by third sisters hands.

Obi-wan interested me. I did like the PTSD aspects. Jedi Master and general of the old republic armies reduced to cutting meat. The rest of the story?…..suffers.
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Postby HC Eredivisie » Fri Jun 10, 2022 12:54 pm

Vassenor wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:The one thing I forgot to mention was the probable introduction for plot holes.

Leia’s wacky adventure with Obi-Wan goes against New Hope as the Leia message suggested they had not met.

The fight with Vader is the same with New Hope. Comments about Obi-Wan and the interaction suggested they hadn’t seen each other since the fall of the old republic.


Pointing out that Obi-Wan served alongside Bail during the Clone Wars doesn't preclude Obi-Wan and Leia meeting.

And all that Vader says in ANH is that Obi-Wan schooled him in their last meeting.

That does imply Vader doesn't think of himself as a master yet, even after defeating Kenobi here, and that seems odd: 'When I left you I was but a learner, now I am the master'.

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Fedel wrote:The writer for Kenobi apparently didn't know that Obi Wan knew who Vader was...

“That was actually not something I pitched originally,” Harold stated. “That was something I discovered along the way, and sort of had to confirm with Pablo [Hidalgo] and really think, ‘Hold on a second, what does he actually know?”
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The writer for Kenobi may not have seen Revenge of the Sith...

(Image)

Not convinced GI is going to show back up or that the plothole that is his death will be resolved either now. :/


To be fair, I also forgot that recording mentioned Vader at first. Now, I am not a Disney writer so I don't think I have a responsibility to remember that, but I digress.

Kenobi knows that Vader is Anakin, but does he (or anybody else) know that the guy in black armor is Anakin/Vader? In Rebels they don't seem to know his name and if Kenobi believes he killed Anakin on Mustafar it could work.
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Postby Fedel » Fri Jun 10, 2022 1:36 pm

HC Eredivisie wrote:Kenobi knows that Vader is Anakin, but does he (or anybody else) know that the guy in black armor is Anakin/Vader? In Rebels they don't seem to know his name and if Kenobi believes he killed Anakin on Mustafar it could work.


Seems like that would be pretty common knowledge if I'm being honest... I'm aware that Ezra and others who mainly spend their time on backwater worlds weren't aware and that makes it so that there's a somewhat viable case for Kenobi, who'd secluded himself off on Tatooine, not knowing either, but you would think he'd at least have heard rumors of a black clad figure named Vader hunting down Jedi as the Emperor's right hand man. Vader isn't exactly a conspicuous figure and seems to be well known throughout the galaxy by the time of Rebels ( Grand Admirals and Moffs defer to him ). You'd think that if Kenobi was paying attention at all ( which you think he'd do since he has nothing better to do and it would help him to better protect Luke ) he would have heard something after over 10 years...
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Postby Sordhau » Fri Jun 10, 2022 1:37 pm

Imperial Rifta wrote:In response to Jedi Council’s idea:

It’s honestly sad that this random fan’s idea is better than the ideas of a team of paid writers at Disney.

And sadder how many times this has happened. Like that time Lady Victory rewrote the sequels.


Tbf I didn't give Rey enough screen time and somewhat overly-focused on Fin, as someone (forgot who) pointed out.

Still had fun writing it though!
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Postby Sordhau » Fri Jun 10, 2022 1:40 pm

Fedel wrote:
HC Eredivisie wrote:Kenobi knows that Vader is Anakin, but does he (or anybody else) know that the guy in black armor is Anakin/Vader? In Rebels they don't seem to know his name and if Kenobi believes he killed Anakin on Mustafar it could work.


Seems like that would be pretty common knowledge if I'm being honest... I'm aware that Ezra and others who mainly spend their time on backwater worlds weren't aware and that makes it so that there's a somewhat viable case for Kenobi, who'd secluded himself off on Tatooine, not knowing either, but you would think he'd at least have heard rumors of a black clad figure named Vader hunting down Jedi as the Emperor's right hand man. Vader isn't exactly a conspicuous figure and seems to be well known throughout the galaxy by the time of Rebels ( Grand Admirals and Moffs defer to him ). You'd think that if Kenobi was paying attention at all ( which you think he'd do since he has nothing better to do and it would help him to better protect Luke ) he would have heard something after over 10 years...


Counterpoint: It's Tatooine, a place so fucking boring and empty that it makes Kansas look exciting by comparison.
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I never want to see Tatooine again after this show

I hate that planet lol
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Postby Fedel » Fri Jun 10, 2022 1:48 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:I never want to see Tatooine again after this show

I hate that planet lol


On this we find ourselves aligned... I need a break from sand planets ( especially since Dune also came out recently ).
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Postby Imperial Rifta » Fri Jun 10, 2022 2:12 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:I never want to see Tatooine again after this show

I hate that planet lol

Most of us agree it has too much screen time for a backwater planet.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Jun 10, 2022 2:37 pm

Imperial Rifta wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:I never want to see Tatooine again after this show

I hate that planet lol

Most of us agree it has too much screen time for a backwater planet.


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The Huskar Social Union wrote:I never want to see Tatooine again after this show

I hate that planet lol


Lucasfilm: "You guys like Tatooine, right?"

SW Fans: "No, we hate it."

Lucasfilm: "Terrific! We'll make sure to make it plot relevant in every bit of media we make from now on!"
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Postby Eahland » Fri Jun 10, 2022 3:30 pm

Sordhau wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:I never want to see Tatooine again after this show

I hate that planet lol


Lucasfilm: "You guys like Tatooine, right?"

SW Fans: "No, we hate it."

Lucasfilm: "Terrific! We'll make sure to make it plot relevant in every bit of media we make from now on!"

To be fair, it's been canonical since the very beginning that Luke and Obi-Wan were on Tatooine prior to Star Wars.
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Postby Fedel » Fri Jun 10, 2022 3:36 pm

Eahland wrote:
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Lucasfilm: "You guys like Tatooine, right?"

SW Fans: "No, we hate it."

Lucasfilm: "Terrific! We'll make sure to make it plot relevant in every bit of media we make from now on!"

To be fair, it's been canonical since the very beginning that Luke and Obi-Wan were on Tatooine prior to Star Wars.


That'd be fine but they knew they were going to be making Kenobi and they stilled inserted Tatooine into like their last dozen projects before it.

Nobody needs that much sand...
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:03 pm

Maybe I need to watch that episode again, but doesn't Kenobi react immediately to hearing "Vader" and then she goes "You didn't know he survived?" Maybe I just edited in my head.

With Leia's message my thoughts were that she recorded it with the possibility that it could be intercepted so it just sounds like she's asking help from some dude and not a Jedi Master with connections to the Skywalker family. Though it seems strange to think no one would remember General Kenobi the Jedi Master 20 years later, but that timeline issue has always bothered me.

Rogue One already fuckered the opening of Star Wars because he could have and would have been more heated catching Leia like, "Motherfucker, we literally chased out leaving a Rebel fleet after you hooked up with a ship of spies escaping from the planet. This isn't a stop and frisk situation, you know why the fuck we're here."
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Postby Imperial Rifta » Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:30 pm

I was just watching Season 3 of Rebels and Hera says “If Obi-Wan was alive, do you really think he would be hiding on some backwater world instead of helping us?”

Beginning of Obi-Wan Series:
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Yeah, I concur on Tatooine. It's called the Star Wars Galaxy, and yet it always leads back to that scorched ballsack of a planet.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:47 pm

Imperial Rifta wrote:I was just watching Season 3 of Rebels and Hera says “If Obi-Wan was alive, do you really think he would be hiding on some backwater world instead of helping us?”

Beginning of Obi-Wan Series:
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Imperial Rifta wrote:I was just watching Season 3 of Rebels and Hera says “If Obi-Wan was alive, do you really think he would be hiding on some backwater world instead of helping us?”

Beginning of Obi-Wan Series:
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I'm certain that line is meant to be a joke.

It is. I thought it was funny though. *sniff*
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The Force Awakens is the only Star Wars film that features a star being used for war
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When Vader says 'Obi Wan has taught you well'' in RotJ Luke has the high ground.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:19 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:The Force Awakens is the only Star Wars film that features a star being used for war

Revenge of the Sith is the only movie with (sans perhaps Rogue One) a title that accurately reflects the plot of the movie.

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Revenge of the Sith is the only movie with (sans perhaps Rogue One) a title that accurately reflects the plot of the movie.

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