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Is This The Way? Mando Season 3 Thoughts

Its Amazing
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14%
Its Pretty Good
27
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Its Meh
12
24%
Its bad
2
4%
Its Terrible
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4%
 
Total votes : 50

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Postby Myrensis » Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:15 am

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Reva was able to catch up to Leia in the tunnels because she used her lightsaber to helicopter fly to the end. This is canon


It's so stupid it must be true

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Postby Jedi Council » Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:16 am

The more that I have thought about it, the more it shocks me that the team behind Kenobi thought Reva was the best delivery method of the utterly enormous news that Anakin is alive.

We have zero reason to care about Reva right now. And yet she precipitates what should be one of the emotional scenes in the show.

Had they nested it in the Vader confrontation, it would have made it immensely more satisfying. Obi Wan would be having had to face a far more powerful and practiced foe AND would have had to come to terms with the shock all at once.

It parallels ESB rather well.
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Postby Fedel » Thu Jun 02, 2022 1:09 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
The more that I have thought about it, the more it shocks me that the team behind Kenobi thought Reva was the best delivery method of the utterly enormous news that Anakin is alive.

We have zero reason to care about Reva right now. And yet she precipitates what should be one of the emotional scenes in the show.

Had they nested it in the Vader confrontation, it would have made it immensely more satisfying. Obi Wan would be having had to face a far more powerful and practiced foe AND would have had to come to terms with the shock all at once.

It parallels ESB rather well.


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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jun 03, 2022 3:40 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Reva was able to catch up to Leia in the tunnels because she used her lightsaber to helicopter fly to the end. This is canon

I imagine she sorted out where the tunnel would lead, most likely to the space port since that is the way out. So she took a more direct route and then waited for Leia to emerge.

There are some 'huh?' moments in the show but as usual for Star Wars the fan reaction is all out of proportion. Especially the ones who confoundingly wanted Super Obi Wan and can't wrap their head around the emotional damage that would go with not only having lost the war, but having been the one that invited the enemy in the gates and gave him all the tools they needed to win thinking he was doing the right thing. The fact that Obi Wan is holding it together at all is a testimant to his strength and if he was still the super capable calm collected Obi Wan from the prequels or the sage Obi Wan from the original series that would be fucking bonkers.

But whatever. I didn't make this shit. Star Wars fans live to suffer. I'm over it.
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Postby Jedi Council » Fri Jun 03, 2022 5:33 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:
Reva was able to catch up to Leia in the tunnels because she used her lightsaber to helicopter fly to the end. This is canon

I imagine she sorted out where the tunnel would lead, most likely to the space port since that is the way out. So she took a more direct route and then waited for Leia to emerge.

There are some 'huh?' moments in the show but as usual for Star Wars the fan reaction is all out of proportion. Especially the ones who confoundingly wanted Super Obi Wan and can't wrap their head around the emotional damage that would go with not only having lost the war, but having been the one that invited the enemy in the gates and gave him all the tools they needed to win thinking he was doing the right thing. The fact that Obi Wan is holding it together at all is a testimant to his strength and if he was still the super capable calm collected Obi Wan from the prequels or the sage Obi Wan from the original series that would be fucking bonkers.

But whatever. I didn't make this shit. Star Wars fans live to suffer. I'm over it.


There is a fairly significant lack of the willing suspension of disbelief among Star Wars fans.

Though, this may be because this suspension has been stretched thin after 10 years of Disney but I digress.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:16 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:
Reva was able to catch up to Leia in the tunnels because she used her lightsaber to helicopter fly to the end. This is canon

I imagine she sorted out where the tunnel would lead, most likely to the space port since that is the way out. So she took a more direct route and then waited for Leia to emerge.

There are some 'huh?' moments in the show but as usual for Star Wars the fan reaction is all out of proportion. Especially the ones who confoundingly wanted Super Obi Wan and can't wrap their head around the emotional damage that would go with not only having lost the war, but having been the one that invited the enemy in the gates and gave him all the tools they needed to win thinking he was doing the right thing. The fact that Obi Wan is holding it together at all is a testimant to his strength and if he was still the super capable calm collected Obi Wan from the prequels or the sage Obi Wan from the original series that would be fucking bonkers.

But whatever. I didn't make this shit. Star Wars fans live to suffer. I'm over it.

I just want my helicopter lightsaber I'm sorry, I didn't really think this deep on it. Loving the series so far.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jun 03, 2022 10:00 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:
I imagine she sorted out where the tunnel would lead, most likely to the space port since that is the way out. So she took a more direct route and then waited for Leia to emerge.

There are some 'huh?' moments in the show but as usual for Star Wars the fan reaction is all out of proportion. Especially the ones who confoundingly wanted Super Obi Wan and can't wrap their head around the emotional damage that would go with not only having lost the war, but having been the one that invited the enemy in the gates and gave him all the tools they needed to win thinking he was doing the right thing. The fact that Obi Wan is holding it together at all is a testimant to his strength and if he was still the super capable calm collected Obi Wan from the prequels or the sage Obi Wan from the original series that would be fucking bonkers.

But whatever. I didn't make this shit. Star Wars fans live to suffer. I'm over it.

I just want my helicopter lightsaber I'm sorry, I didn't really think this deep on it. Loving the series so far.

If they can move shit with their mind it stands to reason they can move themselves with their mind, and since the Sith have a sense of style you gotta put some flair on it...if you have a spinning lightsaber for some reason, why not use it.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Jun 03, 2022 11:26 pm



Yea not surprised racists can’t help themselves.

Personally I don’t like her. When her character appeared; I had the impression she didn’t know the universe and did little if anything to prepare for the role.

Turns out she didn’t.

I find her as the one weak point of for show. She breaks the flow for me. The yelling gets old……
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Postby Myrensis » Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:07 am

The Black Forrest wrote:


Yea not surprised racists can’t help themselves.

Personally I don’t like her. When her character appeared; I had the impression she didn’t know the universe and did little if anything to prepare for the role.

Turns out she didn’t.

I find her as the one weak point of for show. She breaks the flow for me. The yelling gets old……


Honestly I was kind of surprised (though I guess I shouldn't be because racist internet trolls) that she got singled out...all of the Inquisitors are just utterly bland and flat to me. Completely uninteresting and not even vaguely intimidating.

Even the Grand Inquisitor is far less entertaining than he was in Rebels, guess Disney didn't want to hand over the cash to bring Jason Isaacs back. :p

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Postby Fedel » Mon Jun 06, 2022 12:16 pm

Myrensis wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Yea not surprised racists can’t help themselves.

Personally I don’t like her. When her character appeared; I had the impression she didn’t know the universe and did little if anything to prepare for the role.

Turns out she didn’t.

I find her as the one weak point of for show. She breaks the flow for me. The yelling gets old……


Honestly I was kind of surprised (though I guess I shouldn't be because racist internet trolls) that she got singled out...all of the Inquisitors are just utterly bland and flat to me. Completely uninteresting and not even vaguely intimidating.

Even the Grand Inquisitor is far less entertaining than he was in Rebels, guess Disney didn't want to hand over the cash to bring Jason Isaacs back. :p


Agreed that all the Inquisitors are pretty flat, but aside from racial reasons, the reason she was probably singled out was that the show itself singled her out and focused on her.
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:12 pm

So, I finally got around to watching Kenobi. I've been enjoying it, Ewan is great but no one's surprised by that. Like what a lot of people have been saying, the Inquisitors are a bit flat (it would have been awesome if they had the same kind of presence they had in Fallen Order). I'm also a bit annoyed at Leia.

Also, didn't the Grand Inquisitor die in Rebels?
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Postby The South Sea Bubble » Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:16 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
So, I finally got around to watching Kenobi. I've been enjoying it, Ewan is great but no one's surprised by that. Like what a lot of people have been saying, the Inquisitors are a bit flat (it would have been awesome if they had the same kind of presence they had in Fallen Order). I'm also a bit annoyed at Leia.

Also, didn't the Grand Inquisitor die in Rebels?

Correct me if I'm, wrong but I'm, pretty sure that's later in the timeline...


Idk if this really needs spoilers but put them anyway lol.

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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:17 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
The more that I have thought about it, the more it shocks me that the team behind Kenobi thought Reva was the best delivery method of the utterly enormous news that Anakin is alive.

We have zero reason to care about Reva right now. And yet she precipitates what should be one of the emotional scenes in the show.

Had they nested it in the Vader confrontation, it would have made it immensely more satisfying. Obi Wan would be having had to face a far more powerful and practiced foe AND would have had to come to terms with the shock all at once.

It parallels ESB rather well.


Yeah, it would have been more powerful if the realization and the confrontation came at the same time.
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:17 pm

The South Sea Bubble wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
So, I finally got around to watching Kenobi. I've been enjoying it, Ewan is great but no one's surprised by that. Like what a lot of people have been saying, the Inquisitors are a bit flat (it would have been awesome if they had the same kind of presence they had in Fallen Order). I'm also a bit annoyed at Leia.

Also, didn't the Grand Inquisitor die in Rebels?

Correct me if I'm, wrong but I'm, pretty sure that's later in the timeline...


Idk if this really needs spoilers but put them anyway lol.


The post-prequel-pre-original timeline is wonky to me. Someone needs to line everything out.
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:27 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:
Reva was able to catch up to Leia in the tunnels because she used her lightsaber to helicopter fly to the end. This is canon

I imagine she sorted out where the tunnel would lead, most likely to the space port since that is the way out. So she took a more direct route and then waited for Leia to emerge.

There are some 'huh?' moments in the show but as usual for Star Wars the fan reaction is all out of proportion. Especially the ones who confoundingly wanted Super Obi Wan and can't wrap their head around the emotional damage that would go with not only having lost the war, but having been the one that invited the enemy in the gates and gave him all the tools they needed to win thinking he was doing the right thing. The fact that Obi Wan is holding it together at all is a testimant to his strength and if he was still the super capable calm collected Obi Wan from the prequels or the sage Obi Wan from the original series that would be fucking bonkers.

But whatever. I didn't make this shit. Star Wars fans live to suffer. I'm over it.


If the fans don't realize that Obi-Wan is going to go through character development to become a badass again, and most likely have a second, more epic encounter with Vader in the series, they're just really stupid.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:49 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:
I imagine she sorted out where the tunnel would lead, most likely to the space port since that is the way out. So she took a more direct route and then waited for Leia to emerge.

There are some 'huh?' moments in the show but as usual for Star Wars the fan reaction is all out of proportion. Especially the ones who confoundingly wanted Super Obi Wan and can't wrap their head around the emotional damage that would go with not only having lost the war, but having been the one that invited the enemy in the gates and gave him all the tools they needed to win thinking he was doing the right thing. The fact that Obi Wan is holding it together at all is a testimant to his strength and if he was still the super capable calm collected Obi Wan from the prequels or the sage Obi Wan from the original series that would be fucking bonkers.

But whatever. I didn't make this shit. Star Wars fans live to suffer. I'm over it.


If the fans don't realize that Obi-Wan is going to go through character development to become a badass again, and most likely have a second, more epic encounter with Vader in the series, they're just really stupid.

Not to put too fine a point on it...
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Postby Jedi Council » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:11 am

Fedel wrote:
Myrensis wrote:
Honestly I was kind of surprised (though I guess I shouldn't be because racist internet trolls) that she got singled out...all of the Inquisitors are just utterly bland and flat to me. Completely uninteresting and not even vaguely intimidating.

Even the Grand Inquisitor is far less entertaining than he was in Rebels, guess Disney didn't want to hand over the cash to bring Jason Isaacs back. :p


Agreed that all the Inquisitors are pretty flat, but aside from racial reasons, the reason she was probably singled out was that the show itself singled her out and focused on her.


They seem to want us to think of her as the primary antagonist, which is hard when you're sharing a screen with Darth fucking Vader. She even pales in comparison to thr Fifth Brother in terms of on screen presence.

If they wanted to introduce a new character that we actually care about then they need to either extend the series or give us some reason to care bout her before throwing her into the story with next to no context. Preferably both at once.
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Postby Fedel » Tue Jun 07, 2022 8:13 am

Jedi Council wrote:
Fedel wrote:
Agreed that all the Inquisitors are pretty flat, but aside from racial reasons, the reason she was probably singled out was that the show itself singled her out and focused on her.


They seem to want us to think of her as the primary antagonist, which is hard when you're sharing a screen with Darth fucking Vader. She even pales in comparison to thr Fifth Brother in terms of on screen presence.

If they wanted to introduce a new character that we actually care about then they need to either extend the series or give us some reason to care bout her before throwing her into the story with next to no context. Preferably both at once.


Yep. I could easily have gotten invested in her tbh if they'd spent the time to build her up.

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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Jun 07, 2022 8:47 am

Jedi Council wrote:
Fedel wrote:
Agreed that all the Inquisitors are pretty flat, but aside from racial reasons, the reason she was probably singled out was that the show itself singled her out and focused on her.


They seem to want us to think of her as the primary antagonist, which is hard when you're sharing a screen with Darth fucking Vader. She even pales in comparison to thr Fifth Brother in terms of on screen presence.

If they wanted to introduce a new character that we actually care about then they need to either extend the series or give us some reason to care bout her before throwing her into the story with next to no context. Preferably both at once.


I don't know how easy it would have been to hire the actress, but it would have been awesome if Second Sister were the primary antagonist, though because of timeline reasons I don't know how reasonable that would have been.
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Postby Bralia » Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:08 am

Fedel wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:
They seem to want us to think of her as the primary antagonist, which is hard when you're sharing a screen with Darth fucking Vader. She even pales in comparison to thr Fifth Brother in terms of on screen presence.

If they wanted to introduce a new character that we actually care about then they need to either extend the series or give us some reason to care bout her before throwing her into the story with next to no context. Preferably both at once.


Yep. I could easily have gotten invested in her tbh if they'd spent the time to build her up.

This is why the age of 20+ episode seasons were the golden age of television. More room for world-building and character development is nothing but a good thing. I don't understand why people seem to hate long-form shows these days.
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Postby Sordhau » Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:41 am

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Yep. I could easily have gotten invested in her tbh if they'd spent the time to build her up.

This is why the age of 20+ episode seasons were the golden age of television. More room for world-building and character development is nothing but a good thing. I don't understand why people seem to hate long-form shows these days.


I for one am glad the tyranny of the 20+ episode season is gone. It had the absolutely infuriating tendency to scourge the viewer with crummy "filler" episodes in between actual plots, which severely impacted the quality of a show at times.
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Postby Bralia » Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:59 am

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Bralia wrote:This is why the age of 20+ episode seasons were the golden age of television. More room for world-building and character development is nothing but a good thing. I don't understand why people seem to hate long-form shows these days.


I for one am glad the tyranny of the 20+ episode season is gone. It had the absolutely infuriating tendency to scourge the viewer with crummy "filler" episodes in between actual plots, which severely impacted the quality of a show at times.

I'm more than willing to downright embrace a few bad episodes (as I do with old Star Trek) over make-it-or-break-it shows. Shows of this modern style are either good or they're not, there really doesn't seem to be any in-between. Classic-style builds worlds, universes even. And they build communities of fans that love them. That's why the Star Wars expanded universe was as popular as it was, even through all of the less than great stuff.

Controversial opinion, maybe, but quantity is quality. The more stories you make, the more likely you're going to strike gold. Even if you're only finding silver or bronze on a regular basis.
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Postby Sordhau » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:03 pm

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Sordhau wrote:
I for one am glad the tyranny of the 20+ episode season is gone. It had the absolutely infuriating tendency to scourge the viewer with crummy "filler" episodes in between actual plots, which severely impacted the quality of a show at times.

I'm more than willing to downright embrace a few bad episodes (as I do with old Star Trek) over make-it-or-break-it shows. Shows of this modern style are either good or they're not, there really doesn't seem to be any in-between. Classic-style builds worlds, universes even. And they build communities of fans that love them. That's why the Star Wars expanded universe was as popular as it was, even through all of the less than great stuff.

Controversial opinion, maybe, but quantity is quality. The more stories you make, the more likely you're going to strike gold. Even if you're only finding silver or bronze on a regular basis.


Hard disagree. I like shows being good or bad with nothing in between, makes it easier to enjoy the former and ignore the latter.
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Postby Fedel » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:25 pm

Bralia wrote:
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Yep. I could easily have gotten invested in her tbh if they'd spent the time to build her up.

This is why the age of 20+ episode seasons were the golden age of television. More room for world-building and character development is nothing but a good thing. I don't understand why people seem to hate long-form shows these days.


Agreed honestly.

Sordhau wrote:
Bralia wrote:I'm more than willing to downright embrace a few bad episodes (as I do with old Star Trek) over make-it-or-break-it shows. Shows of this modern style are either good or they're not, there really doesn't seem to be any in-between. Classic-style builds worlds, universes even. And they build communities of fans that love them. That's why the Star Wars expanded universe was as popular as it was, even through all of the less than great stuff.

Controversial opinion, maybe, but quantity is quality. The more stories you make, the more likely you're going to strike gold. Even if you're only finding silver or bronze on a regular basis.


Hard disagree. I like shows being good or bad with nothing in between, makes it easier to enjoy the former and ignore the latter.


Unfortunately, creators have proved themselves so deficient that there are periods of months where there's nothing worth watching as a result of this sink or swim philosophy. Would much rather have some ongoing mediocre stuff around to keep me satiated in the meantime. But then, that's only an issue if you consume as much media as I do...

( Seriously, these last 4 months had NOTHING until we got BCS, Kenobi, Stranger Things and The Boys all at once. Thank god for Elden Ring ).
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jun 07, 2022 3:47 pm

bah, what's BCS? I've failed.

On the abbreviated seasons versus traditional seasons I don't think there's one answer.

Just as a traditional season can drag and end up with filler, an abbreviated season can be rushed and incomplete ignoring the strength of serialized storytelling to spend more time with character or story in favor of sustaining the spectacle of film over six to ten hours instead of two.

There's room for both.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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