Star Wars: This is The Way

[Cannot think of a name]

I'm not sure I need a gritty 'adult' Star Wars, or 'edgy' Star Wars. It's a fairy tale setting where space ships do goofy things and there are space wizards n' shit. I can always watch The Expanse or something for grittier space shit. Star Wars works just fine as a swachbuckling serial style adventure setting. You can (and they have) find depth in that.

[Sordhau]

I'm not sure I need a gritty 'adult' Star Wars, or 'edgy' Star Wars. It's a fairy tale setting where space ships do goofy things and there are space wizards n' shit. I can always watch The Expanse or something for grittier space shit. Star Wars works just fine as a swachbuckling serial style adventure setting. You can (and they have) find depth in that.

It doesn't have to be "gritty" or "edgy" to handle adult themes, to be clear. Clone Wars was neither yet it was able to handle adult themes such as terrorism, torture, slavery, murder, genocide, drug abuse, alcoholism, gambling, prejudice, brainwashing, chemical warfare, psychopathy, PTSD, suicide, and so on rather well. In fact the only topic they never really touched upon was sexual violence.

[Tarsonis]

I'm not sure I need a gritty 'adult' Star Wars, or 'edgy' Star Wars. It's a fairy tale setting where space ships do goofy things and there are space wizards n' shit. I can always watch The Expanse or something for grittier space shit. Star Wars works just fine as a swachbuckling serial style adventure setting. You can (and they have) find depth in that.

I wouldn't mind a Republic Commando, Band Of Brothers style show. I mean let's show just how hopelessly outmatched they actually were.

[Cannot think of a name]

I'm not sure I need a gritty 'adult' Star Wars, or 'edgy' Star Wars. It's a fairy tale setting where space ships do goofy things and there are space wizards n' shit. I can always watch The Expanse or something for grittier space shit. Star Wars works just fine as a swachbuckling serial style adventure setting. You can (and they have) find depth in that.

It doesn't have to be "gritty" or "edgy" to handle adult themes, to be clear. Clone Wars was neither yet it was able to handle adult themes such as terrorism, torture, slavery, murder, genocide, drug abuse, alcoholism, gambling, prejudice, brainwashing, chemical warfare, psychopathy, PTSD, suicide, and so on rather well. In fact the only topic they never really touched upon was sexual violence.

Well, those are things they've already done so they wouldn't fit in a discussion of things they won't do.

[The Huskar Social Union]

And in news that should surprise absolutely no body, Moses Ingram has started getting racist abuse off of some cunts for her role in the Obi-Wan series

[The Huskar Social Union]

I'm not sure I need a gritty 'adult' Star Wars, or 'edgy' Star Wars. It's a fairy tale setting where space ships do goofy things and there are space wizards n' shit. I can always watch The Expanse or something for grittier space shit. Star Wars works just fine as a swachbuckling serial style adventure setting. You can (and they have) find depth in that.

I think a gritty or adult stand alone movie could be an interesting experiment for Star Wars but im not in a rush for it either at the moment.

[Fedel]

It doesn't have to be "gritty" or "edgy" to handle adult themes, to be clear. Clone Wars was neither yet it was able to handle adult themes such as terrorism, torture, slavery, murder, genocide, drug abuse, alcoholism, gambling, prejudice, brainwashing, chemical warfare, psychopathy, PTSD, suicide, and so on rather well. In fact the only topic they never really touched upon was sexual violence.

Well, those are things they've already done so they wouldn't fit in a discussion of things they won't do.

Disney didn't make TCW...

[Saiwania]

For people who want a more adult Star Wars, I'd say just ignore Disney canon until one you like enough comes out. There is plenty of Legends stuff out there. But the one thing from Legends that is still ongoing is EA/BioWare's SWTOR. I enjoy the content from that game well enough.

It doesn't have sex or gore, but it isn't needed to maintain a rated T rating. It is somewhat more tasteful without just making it a rated M game. It allows romance but anything too naughty is only alluded to or entirely offscreen. Sort of like Mass Effect. The game doesn't allow you to have kids but hey- can't have everything.

I really enjoy the cinematics SWTOR releases on occasion, along with the game itself which is massive. But it also has lots of problems. An MMORPG is never perfect because its so complicated to please every player type's different priorities. But overall, I could recommend it if you can get around the microtransaction nonsense. I find I get everything I could want as Preferred tier, which you get from Subscribing once but letting that expire.

[Sordhau]

And in news that should surprise absolutely no body, Moses Ingram has started getting racist abuse off of some cunts for her role in the Obi-Wan series

>prominent black character in two of the three Episodes of the Original Trilogy
>prominent black character throughout the entire Prequel Trilogy
>outpouring of sympathy for the black actor in the Sequel Trilogy whose character was wasted even in spite of his great potential
>Star Wars fans still somehow can't not be racist to black people

Wild.

[Tarsonis]

And in news that should surprise absolutely no body, Moses Ingram has started getting racist abuse off of some cunts for her role in the Obi-Wan series

>prominent black character in two of the three Episodes of the Original Trilogy
>prominent black character throughout the entire Prequel Trilogy
>outpouring of sympathy for the black actor in the Sequel Trilogy whose character was wasted even in spite of his great potential
>Star Wars fans still somehow can't not be racist to black people

Wild.

I think this more evidence that racist people like star wars, not that star wars fans are racist.

[Jedi Council]

And in news that should surprise absolutely no body, Moses Ingram has started getting racist abuse off of some cunts for her role in the Obi-Wan series

Shocking.

Wait, no it isn't.

[Il Borgia Vaticano]

And in news that should surprise absolutely no body, Moses Ingram has started getting racist abuse off of some cunts for her role in the Obi-Wan series

Jesus, Star Wars fans can really be the worst. I think her character is a bit much, but not that bad. All the inquisitors are incompetently written, to be fair. None of this however justifies any of this vile hatred she's getting. Ever. At all.

[Il Borgia Vaticano]

I wouldn't say that the current Star Wars regime panders to an infrantalized or child-like part of their fans. That's rather an unkind view of the fanbase

I would say that they prioritize fan service and nostalgia at the expense of good content with The Rise of Skywalker being Exhibit A.

There's a seeming unwillingness to approach realities of what the Star Wars universe represents as an analogy and metaphor, in preference for simple themes and slogans. If this simplification of content is designed to lower the maturity of the content to a more General audience, as Disney is oft want to do, then it is not I who is the intended audience and as such I really have no place at the table for it. My preference for more mature content, themes, and messages, will not be appeased through further indulgences of the franchise.

Infantilization is quite literally treating someone in a way to deny their maturity and experiences. Their themes and messages give nothing to me I have not already learned from previous movies and content. They do not branch out, preferring to play safe and pander to those who would and are most suited to receiving such repeated messages. I'm not in opposition to the approach, mind you. It's just that I've moreover come to the realization that Star Wars is a franchise which will not, does not, and cannot grow or mature with the viewers because were it to do so, it would invalidate all content Disney could otherwise make. They can't make a nitty-gritty war movie centering on the grim realities of war. They can allude to the tragedy of it, but never can they truly develop it and when they try it must be within the 'family-friendly' lens of the House of Mouse.

Rogue One was a brief glimmer of hope, and the Mandalorian was something that scraped the edge. In fact, I think Clone Wars perhaps got the closest from the content I did watch, but at every turn I found myself disappointed with the unwillingness of Disney to actually handle mature themes and messages within its content. That's not wrong, or even bad, it's just not meant for me.

And the oversimplifcation of good and evil. In the Old EU the Galactic Empire was a complex society like the New Republic, especially after Palps died. In many ways the empire was a vast improvement on the governments that came before and after it, considering the corruption of the Late Republic and the total ineptitude of the New Republic after it lost its rebellious inertia and had to actually govern.

But now?

The Empire is just comically evil for evil's sake.

[Fedel]

There's a seeming unwillingness to approach realities of what the Star Wars universe represents as an analogy and metaphor, in preference for simple themes and slogans. If this simplification of content is designed to lower the maturity of the content to a more General audience, as Disney is oft want to do, then it is not I who is the intended audience and as such I really have no place at the table for it. My preference for more mature content, themes, and messages, will not be appeased through further indulgences of the franchise.

Infantilization is quite literally treating someone in a way to deny their maturity and experiences. Their themes and messages give nothing to me I have not already learned from previous movies and content. They do not branch out, preferring to play safe and pander to those who would and are most suited to receiving such repeated messages. I'm not in opposition to the approach, mind you. It's just that I've moreover come to the realization that Star Wars is a franchise which will not, does not, and cannot grow or mature with the viewers because were it to do so, it would invalidate all content Disney could otherwise make. They can't make a nitty-gritty war movie centering on the grim realities of war. They can allude to the tragedy of it, but never can they truly develop it and when they try it must be within the 'family-friendly' lens of the House of Mouse.

Rogue One was a brief glimmer of hope, and the Mandalorian was something that scraped the edge. In fact, I think Clone Wars perhaps got the closest from the content I did watch, but at every turn I found myself disappointed with the unwillingness of Disney to actually handle mature themes and messages within its content. That's not wrong, or even bad, it's just not meant for me.

And the oversimplifcation of good and evil. In the Old EU the Galactic Empire was a complex society like the New Republic, especially after Palps died. In many ways the empire was a vast improvement on the governments that came before and after it, considering the corruption of the Late Republic and the total ineptitude of the New Republic after it lost its rebellious inertia and had to actually govern.

But now?

The Empire is just comically evil for evil's sake.

Morale complexity is for scrubs.

[Vassenor]

So TIL the Spice Dealer in Part II was played by Ewan's daughter, making three generations of that family to appear in SW.

[Il Borgia Vaticano]

So TIL the Spice Dealer in Part II was played by Ewan's daughter, making three generations of that family to appear in SW.

Oh yeah. I forgot he, not Jagged Fel, was Wedge's nephew.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Oh Andsed can you update the poll when possible? Maybe something to do with the Obi Wan series since its the latest hot thing, or if anyone else has any suggestions?

[Andsed]

Oh Andsed can you update the poll when possible? Maybe something to do with the Obi Wan series since its the latest hot thing, or if anyone else has any suggestions?

Yeah was feeling lazy for a bit there but it is updated now.

Oh nice Quinlan is alive. Also that Vader fight was pretty cool. And hooray for more child murder. It really is Vader's hobby these day huh.

[Vassenor]

Oh Andsed can you update the poll when possible? Maybe something to do with the Obi Wan series since its the latest hot thing, or if anyone else has any suggestions?

Yeah was feeling lazy for a bit there but it is updated now.

Oh nice Quinlan is alive. Also that Vader fight was pretty cool. And hooray for more child murder. It really is Vader's hobby these day huh.

I mean it was an established fact in both modern and Legends continuities that he survived Order 66.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Oh Andsed can you update the poll when possible? Maybe something to do with the Obi Wan series since its the latest hot thing, or if anyone else has any suggestions?

Yeah was feeling lazy for a bit there but it is updated now.

Oh nice Quinlan is alive. Also that Vader fight was pretty cool. And hooray for more child murder. It really is Vader's hobby these day huh.

I feel Vader would be annoyed if he didnt get in a little casual neck snap on a teenager using the force when he is out and about.

That whole moment of him going through the village and fucking people up to try and bait out Obi Wan was soo good, as was the fight the two of them had. I liked how laughably one sided it was and Vader dragging Obi Wan through the fire on the ground was brutal.

Looks like Reva is also gona capture Leia and probably take her back to the Inquisitor fortress so i imagine Obi Wan will try and rescue her and end up fighting Vader again in that fortress.

[Myrensis]

So, got caught up on Kenobi

- The Inquisitors are boring villains
- Leia is kind of an idiot
- For some reason the Mandalorian continues to be the only Star Wars show that can do action decently
- Whoever involved with the production of these shows that has a parkour fixation needs to either get over it or get much better choreographers/stunt performers/editors
- Obi-Wan leaving Anakin alive on Mustafar continues to be stupid from any angle. "He couldn't kill him because of love/friendship/whatever" doesn't work because he clearly thought he had left him to die a slow, agonizing death, and wanting him to suffer would be pretty out of character as well.
-How exactly did Reva manage to get ahead of Leia in the tunnel?

Overall....Star Wars shows not called "The Mandalorian" continue to underwhelm.

[Jedi Council]

Some thoughts;

Kenobi/Vader fight was great, as was Vader's march through the village. Its fun to see Vader being really evil in such a direct way.

Third Sister still isn't doing it for me. Frankly none of the Inquisitors are. I think having the rivalry be Grand Inquisitor v Vader would have been quite a bit better from a story perspective.

Quinlan shout out was neat - it makes me wonder if he will be making a live action appearance in the future.

[Pasong Tirad]

Reva was able to catch up to Leia in the tunnels because she used her lightsaber to helicopter fly to the end. This is canon

[The Huskar Social Union]

Reva was able to catch up to Leia in the tunnels because she used her lightsaber to helicopter fly to the end. This is canon

I really wanna see it now, at least once in this show

It would be amazing.

[Pasong Tirad]

Reva was able to catch up to Leia in the tunnels because she used her lightsaber to helicopter fly to the end. This is canon

I really wanna see it now, at least once in this show

It would be amazing.

I do not ask much of Star Wars. But this - I need this.