Star Wars: This is The Way

[Andsed]

Though speaking of Rebels, say hi to your live action Sabine.

Looked her up. Seems like a pretty good casting.

Also were getting a series called "Tales of the Jedi" which will be focusing on I think Dooku, Qui Gon, and Ashoka when they were younger, plus a show called Star Wars: Young Jedi Adventures which focuses on the adventures of some Jedi younglings in the High Republic and is aimed at very young kids, and Star Wars Visions season 2. This plus Kenobi and Star Wars Jedi Survivor has got me, your local Jedi stan, very well fed so I am happy so far.

[Sordhau]

Though speaking of Rebels, say hi to your live action Sabine.

Looked her up. Seems like a pretty good casting.

Also were getting a series called "Tales of the Jedi" which will be focusing on I think Dooku, Qui Gon, and Ashoka when they were younger, plus a show called Star Wars: Young Jedi Adventures which focuses on the adventures of some Jedi younglings in the High Republic and is aimed at very young kids, and Star Wars Visions season 2. This plus Kenobi and Star Wars Jedi Survivor has got me, your local Jedi stan, very well fed so I am happy so far.

Jedi are sorely overrated tbh. I want to see the undoubtedly billions of other Force cults scattered across the galaxy. They don't get enough love; it's all Jedi this, Sith that, blah blah blah. Let's see some other philosophies damn.

[Fedel]

Looked her up. Seems like a pretty good casting.

Also were getting a series called "Tales of the Jedi" which will be focusing on I think Dooku, Qui Gon, and Ashoka when they were younger, plus a show called Star Wars: Young Jedi Adventures which focuses on the adventures of some Jedi younglings in the High Republic and is aimed at very young kids, and Star Wars Visions season 2. This plus Kenobi and Star Wars Jedi Survivor has got me, your local Jedi stan, very well fed so I am happy so far.

Jedi are sorely overrated tbh. I want to see the undoubtedly billions of other Force cults scattered across the galaxy. They don't get enough love; it's all Jedi this, Sith that, blah blah blah. Let's see some other philosophies damn.

Is it? Haven't heard about the Sith for a hot minute tbh.

[Sordhau]

Jedi are sorely overrated tbh. I want to see the undoubtedly billions of other Force cults scattered across the galaxy. They don't get enough love; it's all Jedi this, Sith that, blah blah blah. Let's see some other philosophies damn.

Is it? Haven't heard about the Sith for a hot minute tbh.

I'm like one of the few people left who still acknowledges the old EU I guess.

[Jedi Council]

Looked her up. Seems like a pretty good casting.

Also were getting a series called "Tales of the Jedi" which will be focusing on I think Dooku, Qui Gon, and Ashoka when they were younger, plus a show called Star Wars: Young Jedi Adventures which focuses on the adventures of some Jedi younglings in the High Republic and is aimed at very young kids, and Star Wars Visions season 2. This plus Kenobi and Star Wars Jedi Survivor has got me, your local Jedi stan, very well fed so I am happy so far.

Jedi are sorely overrated tbh. I want to see the undoubtedly billions of other Force cults scattered across the galaxy. They don't get enough love; it's all Jedi this, Sith that, blah blah blah. Let's see some other philosophies damn.

I disagree, it would be far more interesting to explore the different philosophies within the Jedi Order than go out and find new cults entirely.

I mean, we tried that with the Nightsisters and I wasn't too impressed.

[Sordhau]

Jedi are sorely overrated tbh. I want to see the undoubtedly billions of other Force cults scattered across the galaxy. They don't get enough love; it's all Jedi this, Sith that, blah blah blah. Let's see some other philosophies damn.

I disagree, it would be far more interesting to explore the different philosophies within the Jedi Order than go out and find new cults entirely.

I mean, we tried that with the Nightsisters and I wasn't too impressed.

We really didn't explore the Nightsister philosophy at all tbf. It was just a bunch of vague dark side force magic don up to resemble witchcraft.

Also... what different philosophies within the Jedi Order lmao? The Jedi were rather notoriously rigid in their philosophy. There wasn't a lot of wiggle room for wrongthink/heresy.

[Jedi Council]

I disagree, it would be far more interesting to explore the different philosophies within the Jedi Order than go out and find new cults entirely.

I mean, we tried that with the Nightsisters and I wasn't too impressed.

We really didn't explore the Nightsister philosophy at all tbf. It was just a bunch of vague dark side force magic don up to resemble witchcraft.

Also... what different philosophies within the Jedi Order lmao? The Jedi were rather notoriously rigid in their philosophy. There wasn't a lot of wiggle room for wrongthink/heresy.

I mean yeah, thats the Nightsisters for ya. Boring. I can't imagine another - shall we say cult? - of Force users being well fleshed out enough to be interesting, especially with the current crew at the helm.

We did see some different philosophies within the Order - even without leaving the Prequels, it was clear that Qui-Gon's beliefs around the Living Force were at odds with the Council approved mainstream. In the EU, there were Jedi - see Plo Koon - who accepted the use of "dark side" powers for good. Take a look at the First Watchcircle if your have the time I could go on, and certainly more cleavages could be invented by creative enough writers.

Seeing the internal conflicts of the Order, pre their Prequel era uniformity and complacency, would be really quite interesting.

It must also be said that, fundamentally, a primary pillar of Star Wars is one group of guys with laser swords whacking another group of guys with laser swords. Exploring a new sect, especially if it does not tie into the broader Sith v Jedi arc that dominates the universe is a recipe for a yawn-fest unless expertly carried out.

[Lord Dominator]

I disagree, it would be far more interesting to explore the different philosophies within the Jedi Order than go out and find new cults entirely.

I mean, we tried that with the Nightsisters and I wasn't too impressed.

We really didn't explore the Nightsister philosophy at all tbf. It was just a bunch of vague dark side force magic don up to resemble witchcraft.

Also... what different philosophies within the Jedi Order lmao? The Jedi were rather notoriously rigid in their philosophy. There wasn't a lot of wiggle room for wrongthink/heresy.

At least from what I got, they got much more rigid with time, so if we’re willing to go back in time, pretty easy to explore some alternatives.

[Sordhau]

Tbh I don't think there is a lot of flexibility in the Jedi Code.

The Sith Code, ironically, has far more flexibility yet it's always interpreted in the exact same manner which is just... boring. The Sith are far more interesting when they're not all edgy and "muahahaha I am evil watch as I butcher millions of random people just because I'm mad FEAR ME" bullshit.

Which is why Lana Beniko is bae <3

[Jedi Council]

Tbh I don't think there is a lot of flexibility in the Jedi Code.

The Sith Code, ironically, has far more flexibility yet it's always interpreted in the exact same manner which is just... boring. The Sith are far more interesting when they're not all edgy and "muahahaha I am evil watch as I butcher millions of random people just because I'm mad FEAR ME" bullshit.

Which is why Lana Beniko is bae <3

Of course it has more flexibility, thats the point of being a Sith - you are not bound by morality or ethics really beyond power and hate and "freedom."

The Jedi code is less flexible, but like anything is open to interpretation. Hence the various sects I mentioned above and the different philosophies that could be explored prior to the Prequels.

[Fedel]

I disagree, it would be far more interesting to explore the different philosophies within the Jedi Order than go out and find new cults entirely.

I mean, we tried that with the Nightsisters and I wasn't too impressed.

We really didn't explore the Nightsister philosophy at all tbf.

Have we done that much with the Jedi? Lol.

[Pasong Tirad]

Reva would have caught up with Obi-Wan if, instead of parkouring through the city, she just helicoptered her way to him using her spinning lightsaber.

[The Huskar Social Union]

There is a new animated anthology show coming called Tales of the Jedi and Star Wars: Visions, the anime series will have another season that will come out next year, Jude Law will also star in a new show called Skeleton crew which will apparently tie into the Mandalorian

Bunch of new comics and books coming to etc, i think Yoda is getting one set in the High Republic period.

Reva would have caught up with Obi-Wan if, instead of parkouring through the city, she just helicoptered her way to him using her spinning lightsaber.

lmao

[Saiwania]

I disagree, it would be far more interesting to explore the different philosophies within the Jedi Order than go out and find new cults entirely. I mean, we tried that with the Nightsisters and I wasn't too impressed.

The Jedi supposedly have 3 main philosophies which correspond with their standard colors of blue, green, or yellow. The Jedi Sentinels may've originated from video games, but the point is that more material about them will probably eventually make it into canon. We have them exist now in the form of temple guards, and others that're supposedly away from the temple off on long term assignments in lore- that Palpatine feared would slip through his Inquisitors.

If Anakin built C-3PO and knew quite a bit about tech and other non-force pursuits, it was perhaps a mistake for him to be in the Guardian track which was because of him apprenticing under Obi-Wan. He had the makings of a Sentinel instead, if his true talents were more outside of either the force or lightsaber combat. Sentinels were allegedly wildcards that balanced both but specialized more in non-force or unconventional skills like being a master of stealth or a slicer. Sentinel elite were the Jedi Shadows which were effectively Jedi assassins. Really cool if there is a black ops force which were tasked with tracking down and killing the true evil doers out in the galaxy and enemies of the order. Could make for a great show.

But would also love a series about the regular Sentinels that're not temple guards, and if there is a Sith equivalent.

[Sordhau]

Of course it has more flexibility, thats the point of being a Sith - you are not bound by morality or ethics really beyond power and hate and "freedom."

Well, technically speaking the Sith code never explicitly uses the word "hate" - it mentions passion instead. This can be interpreted a number of ways but the Sith are a narrow-minded lot who can't seem to grasp that hate isn't the only emotion that can give you power (notably love has shown to be just as powerful in every movie trilogy, the old EU, and even Disney Wars canon) and the notorious aspect of betrayal that the Sith are known for and embrace... in spite of literally being the cause their demise, like, all the time.

Peace is a lie. There is only Passion.
Through Passion, I gain Strength.
Through Strength, I gain Power.
Through Power, I gain Victory.
Through Victory my chains are Broken.
The Force shall free me.

Like, look at this. There's a lot of flexibility here for interpretation. Yet 99% of Sith interpret it the exact same way: genocidal warmongering, constant scheming and betrayal, the worship of blood ancestry, and an all-encompassing police state.

Which is just so boring. It's just amazing that for all the freedom being a Sith comes with everybody somehow ends up with the exact same philosophy regarding the pursuit of power. The Sith actually indoctrinate people less than the Jedi, yet they still somehow end up conforming more to one specific narrow interpretation of their philosophy! It's a bit grating tbh. I would love to see more of the Sith but from a different perspective.

We really didn't explore the Nightsister philosophy at all tbf.

Have we done that much with the Jedi? Lol.

I mean... fair. Star Wars has rarely explored the philosophies of Force cults, even the 'big two'.

[Andsed]

Not every group needs to be morally complex. The Sith Code was literally based off Nazi rhetoric for a reason. If we want to explore "morally grey" dark side users(I personally don't think that really fits into what I consider the canonical way the force works but trying to figure that out is never going to end well) then cool but I don't think it should be the fascists who's entire code is based around darwinism.

Like no one would make the fucking Nazis morally grey because their entire philosophy is fucked up and you can only change it so much to the point you can even call them Nazis. The same thing applies to the Sith. (Also in terms of indoctrination the Sith also train kids and torture their apprentices, say what you want about the Jedi but the only punishment we ever see them hand out is some lectures and unpleasant assignment.)

[Jedi Council]

I disagree, it would be far more interesting to explore the different philosophies within the Jedi Order than go out and find new cults entirely. I mean, we tried that with the Nightsisters and I wasn't too impressed.

The Jedi supposedly have 3 main philosophies which correspond with their standard colors of blue, green, or yellow. The Jedi Sentinels may've originated from video games, but the point is that more material about them will probably eventually make it into canon. We have them exist now in the form of temple guards, and others that're supposedly away from the temple off on long term assignments in lore- that Palpatine feared would slip through his Inquisitors.

If Anakin built C-3PO and knew quite a bit about tech and other non-force pursuits, it was perhaps a mistake for him to be in the Guardian track which was because of him apprenticing under Obi-Wan. He had the makings of a Sentinel instead, if his true talents were more outside of either the force or lightsaber combat. Sentinels were allegedly wildcards that balanced both but specialized more in non-force or unconventional skills like being a master of stealth or a slicer. Sentinel elite were the Jedi Shadows which were effectively Jedi assassins. Really cool if there is a black ops force which were tasked with tracking down and killing the true evil doers out in the galaxy and enemies of the order. Could make for a great show.

But would also love a series about the regular Sentinels that're not temple guards, and if there is a Sith equivalent.

Guardian, Sentinel, and Consular are not really philosophies per se, they are more rough self-identified "classes" of Jedi. Its never stated that they have different views on the Force, rather just different strengths and weaknesses in its application. Even then it's not a hard and fast system. For example, many Consulars (Yoda, Shaal Ti, Kit Fisto) excelled at lightsaber combat, supposedly the area where Guardians are the lead.

A truly different philosophy would be something akin to Qui-Gon's focus on the Living Force.

[Fedel]

The Sith Code was literally based off Nazi rhetoric for a reason.

???

[Kassaran]

I think Obi Wan has kind of officially weaned me off Star Wars content. It was good, but I've kind of hit a Corinthian dilemma and am taking the prescribed solution to it. I'm no longer in need of stories that will pander to a child-like or infantilized part of me, I've long since passed that and obviously Star Wars isn't going to progress past that point. To that extent, I've seen what they've been doing with the rest of their series and given that this is Disney, it is unlikely to end. Used to be a huge fan of Star Wars, but as of late I've just kind of fallen off steeply in appreciation for it as its messages, themes, and approaches to said messages and themes likewise drops off in maturity.

[Fedel]

I think Obi Wan has kind of officially weaned me off Star Wars content. It was good, but I've kind of hit a Corinthian dilemma and am taking the prescribed solution to it. I'm no longer in need of stories that will pander to a child-like or infantilized part of me, I've long since passed that and obviously Star Wars isn't going to progress past that point. To that extent, I've seen what they've been doing with the rest of their series and given that this is Disney, it is unlikely to end. Used to be a huge fan of Star Wars, but as of late I've just kind of fallen off steeply in appreciation for it as its messages, themes, and approaches to said messages and themes likewise drops off in maturity.

Welcome to the club. Prepared for the flood of "Star Wars was always meant for children" comments that are gonna come your way.

[Jedi Council]

I think Obi Wan has kind of officially weaned me off Star Wars content. It was good, but I've kind of hit a Corinthian dilemma and am taking the prescribed solution to it. I'm no longer in need of stories that will pander to a child-like or infantilized part of me, I've long since passed that and obviously Star Wars isn't going to progress past that point. To that extent, I've seen what they've been doing with the rest of their series and given that this is Disney, it is unlikely to end. Used to be a huge fan of Star Wars, but as of late I've just kind of fallen off steeply in appreciation for it as its messages, themes, and approaches to said messages and themes likewise drops off in maturity.

I wouldn't say that the current Star Wars regime panders to an infantalized or child-like part of their fans. That's rather an unkind view of the fanbase

I would say that they prioritize fan service and nostalgia at the expense of good content, with The Rise of Skywalker being Exhibit A.

[Kassaran]

I wouldn't say that the current Star Wars regime panders to an infrantalized or child-like part of their fans. That's rather an unkind view of the fanbase

I would say that they prioritize fan service and nostalgia at the expense of good content with The Rise of Skywalker being Exhibit A.

There's a seeming unwillingness to approach realities of what the Star Wars universe represents as an analogy and metaphor, in preference for simple themes and slogans. If this simplification of content is designed to lower the maturity of the content to a more General audience, as Disney is oft want to do, then it is not I who is the intended audience and as such I really have no place at the table for it. My preference for more mature content, themes, and messages, will not be appeased through further indulgences of the franchise.

Infantilization is quite literally treating someone in a way to deny their maturity and experiences. Their themes and messages give nothing to me I have not already learned from previous movies and content. They do not branch out, preferring to play safe and pander to those who would and are most suited to receiving such repeated messages. I'm not in opposition to the approach, mind you. It's just that I've moreover come to the realization that Star Wars is a franchise which will not, does not, and cannot grow or mature with the viewers because were it to do so, it would invalidate all content Disney could otherwise make. They can't make a nitty-gritty war movie centering on the grim realities of war. They can allude to the tragedy of it, but never can they truly develop it and when they try it must be within the 'family-friendly' lens of the House of Mouse.

Rogue One was a brief glimmer of hope, and the Mandalorian was something that scraped the edge. In fact, I think Clone Wars perhaps got the closest from the content I did watch, but at every turn I found myself disappointed with the unwillingness of Disney to actually handle mature themes and messages within its content. That's not wrong, or even bad, it's just not meant for me.

[Andsed]

The Sith Code was literally based off Nazi rhetoric for a reason.

???

David Gaider a writer for KOTOR who created the Sith Code said he based it off parts of Mein Kamp. It was on a tumblr blog which has been deactivated but it is still archived IIRC. should be found here

“ Korriban was the only actual planet I wrote (though I contributed to sections of Kashyyk and Tatooine). Was tough, too, as it went through a couple of overhauls before we finally settled on how it needed to work. Doing the Sith wasn’t easy, either, as there wasn’t a lot of lore on them— not as a group. I remember asking what their philosophy was, or if they had a code like the Jedi, but ended up being told to write it myself.

So, yeah. That’s where the Code of the Sith came from (reverse the Jedi Code— done!). And the Sith philosophy (at least what I wrote of it for Korriban) was inspired by Mein Kampf at least in parts (which made the forumites who talked about how awesome it was, and how it made sense, one part hilarious and one part frightening).“

[Fedel]

???

David Gaider a writer for KOTOR who created the Sith Code said he based it off parts of Mein Kamp. It was on a tumblr blog which has been deactivated but it is still archived IIRC. should be found here

“ Korriban was the only actual planet I wrote (though I contributed to sections of Kashyyk and Tatooine). Was tough, too, as it went through a couple of overhauls before we finally settled on how it needed to work. Doing the Sith wasn’t easy, either, as there wasn’t a lot of lore on them— not as a group. I remember asking what their philosophy was, or if they had a code like the Jedi, but ended up being told to write it myself.

So, yeah. That’s where the Code of the Sith came from (reverse the Jedi Code— done!). And the Sith philosophy (at least what I wrote of it for Korriban) was inspired by Mein Kampf at least in parts (which made the forumites who talked about how awesome it was, and how it made sense, one part hilarious and one part frightening).“

Ah, just a writer's opinion of one part of the verse, gotcha. Interesting stuff though.

[Sordhau]

I wouldn't say that the current Star Wars regime panders to an infrantalized or child-like part of their fans. That's rather an unkind view of the fanbase

I would say that they prioritize fan service and nostalgia at the expense of good content with The Rise of Skywalker being Exhibit A.

There's a seeming unwillingness to approach realities of what the Star Wars universe represents as an analogy and metaphor, in preference for simple themes and slogans. If this simplification of content is designed to lower the maturity of the content to a more General audience, as Disney is oft want to do, then it is not I who is the intended audience and as such I really have no place at the table for it. My preference for more mature content, themes, and messages, will not be appeased through further indulgences of the franchise.

Infantilization is quite literally treating someone in a way to deny their maturity and experiences. Their themes and messages give nothing to me I have not already learned from previous movies and content. They do not branch out, preferring to play safe and pander to those who would and are most suited to receiving such repeated messages. I'm not in opposition to the approach, mind you. It's just that I've moreover come to the realization that Star Wars is a franchise which will not, does not, and cannot grow or mature with the viewers because were it to do so, it would invalidate all content Disney could otherwise make. They can't make a nitty-gritty war movie centering on the grim realities of war. They can allude to the tragedy of it, but never can they truly develop it and when they try it must be within the 'family-friendly' lens of the House of Mouse.

Rogue One was a brief glimmer of hope, and the Mandalorian was something that scraped the edge. In fact, I think Clone Wars perhaps got the closest from the content I did watch, but at every turn I found myself disappointed with the unwillingness of Disney to actually handle mature themes and messages within its content. That's not wrong, or even bad, it's just not meant for me.

There is some truth that Disney has more or less watered things down, but it's also true that Star Wars has always somewhat been afraid of being mature at times which was largely intentional in order to reach a wide audience.