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Is This The Way? Mando Season 3 Thoughts

Its Amazing
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17%
Its Pretty Good
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Its Meh
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Its bad
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Its Terrible
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:30 am

Luke: I am Luke Skywalker, and I will train you in the ways of the force.
Grogu: No shit, Skywalker?...Your dad was a dick.



EDIT: Oof, sorry if someone saw that and wasn't ready. Bad time to fuck up a formatting tag...
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Postby The Restored Danelaw » Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:33 am

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I've complained about this as well, but keep in mind. Bo-Katan has lost Mandalore to her enemies four times by this point in her life. She's specifically lost it to the Empire twice. Maybe it's not that the Darksaber "should be won", but that Bo-Katan -in particular- has no standing to claim Mand'alor again after losing the Saber -given to her freely- once and losing the whole fucking planet four times.

Yeah fuck your tradition and your story and just take the saber!

Whats that meme? Reject Modernity embrace tradition or something? Do the opposite of that, take the damn laser sword already!

Like Gideon says, it's not the saber itself but the story behind it -the stuff it represents, and "She got the darksaber because the number of stuff less improtant than that thing for the guy holding it at the moment could be counted on one hand and you'd still have four fingers" isn't a good story when you lost the saber once (at least, possibly more because like. When did Maul have time to ship it off Mandalore before the siege?) and the planet you're trying to claim four times.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:37 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Luke: I am Luke Skywalker, and I will train you in the ways of the force.
Grogu: No shit, Skywalker?...Your dad was a dick.



EDIT: Oof, sorry if someone saw that and wasn't ready. Bad time to fuck up a formatting tag...

I saw this great comment on reddit that Grogu survives Kylo ren slaughtering Lukes temple and then a few years runs into Rey Skywalker who asks him to join her new jedi order and he just runs away screaming
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:39 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
The Restored Danelaw wrote:
I've complained about this as well, but keep in mind. Bo-Katan has lost Mandalore to her enemies four times by this point in her life. She's specifically lost it to the Empire twice. Maybe it's not that the Darksaber "should be won", but that Bo-Katan -in particular- has no standing to claim Mand'alor again after losing the Saber -given to her freely- once and losing the whole fucking planet four times.

Yeah fuck your tradition and your story and just take the saber!

Whats that meme? Reject Modernity embrace tradition or something? Do the opposite of that, take the damn laser sword already!

It can only be transferred by combat, but like Din has zero interest in it and there's nothing about 'whoever has it has to be all super serious about it.' Especially since he's a Child of the Watch or some shit whatever it was, he's not part of the 'back to Mandalore' people and definitely not a leadership type cat. Without deus ex skywalker (not technically true, they dedicated like three episodes to summoning him, that wasn't out of nowhere) Din could have ended that by going, "Fuck man, I already have this spear, I don't need this bullshit..." and then just toss it in the corner. She wants to pick up after that or wait until someone else does and beat the shit out of that person, that's up to her. Din just said that she could have Gideon and the saber, he held up his end of shit. This rule is a little too don't feed mogwi after midnight.

And also, yeah, Din is sort of requiring everyone in the room be cool on his making an exception to his not taking the helmet off thing, this really did seem like the best time for a nod and a wink. But something has to drive season 3...
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:42 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:
Luke: I am Luke Skywalker, and I will train you in the ways of the force.
Grogu: No shit, Skywalker?...Your dad was a dick.



EDIT: Oof, sorry if someone saw that and wasn't ready. Bad time to fuck up a formatting tag...

I saw this great comment on reddit that Grogu survives Kylo ren slaughtering Lukes temple and then a few years runs into Rey Skywalker who asks him to join her new jedi order and he just runs away screaming

Ha, middle fingers high in the air yelling "Fuck themselves the Skywalkers can."
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Postby Andsed » Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:47 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:
Luke: I am Luke Skywalker, and I will train you in the ways of the force.
Grogu: No shit, Skywalker?...Your dad was a dick.



EDIT: Oof, sorry if someone saw that and wasn't ready. Bad time to fuck up a formatting tag...

I saw this great comment on reddit that Grogu survives Kylo ren slaughtering Lukes temple and then a few years runs into Rey Skywalker who asks him to join her new jedi order and he just runs away screaming

I saw that as well. Just all like:

Grogu: Fuck off, round three I am not doing.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:07 am

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:13 am

You notice that R2 had a lot to say about Grogu? Later in Yoda's life after going a little bonkers in the bog Yoda and R2 had a contentious relationship, you think R2 was saying "OH hell, no, not one of these frog things again. That little fucker is like 50 years old, the last one lasted 900 years. I'm tellin' ya right now, we're not going to a bog planet. You can just fuck right off with that idea if you have it. I'm not plotting that course, you can figure out navigating in space when you have to do it by only seeing the place you're going where it was 300 years ago. Let's see the Force help you do that shit. Little fucking frog dudes. I'm watching you, you little asshole."
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:25 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
You notice that R2 had a lot to say about Grogu? Later in Yoda's life after going a little bonkers in the bog Yoda and R2 had a contentious relationship, you think R2 was saying "OH hell, no, not one of these frog things again. That little fucker is like 50 years old, the last one lasted 900 years. I'm tellin' ya right now, we're not going to a bog planet. You can just fuck right off with that idea if you have it. I'm not plotting that course, you can figure out navigating in space when you have to do it by only seeing the place you're going where it was 300 years ago. Let's see the Force help you do that shit. Little fucking frog dudes. I'm watching you, you little asshole."


I actually thought it was more a reunion. R2 was in service to the temple ever since the start of the clone wars, it's likely he met Grogu, when he was a youngling at the temple.


Which really makes the Yoda/R2 relationship funny in Empire, cause they've met before, R2 knows who he in and still treats him like a hobo.
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https://youtu.be/Av8HbJHza4s


oh man, this makes me just, so happy.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:26 am

Tarsonis wrote:https://youtu.be/Av8HbJHza4s


oh man, this makes me just, so happy.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:37 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:
You notice that R2 had a lot to say about Grogu? Later in Yoda's life after going a little bonkers in the bog Yoda and R2 had a contentious relationship, you think R2 was saying "OH hell, no, not one of these frog things again. That little fucker is like 50 years old, the last one lasted 900 years. I'm tellin' ya right now, we're not going to a bog planet. You can just fuck right off with that idea if you have it. I'm not plotting that course, you can figure out navigating in space when you have to do it by only seeing the place you're going where it was 300 years ago. Let's see the Force help you do that shit. Little fucking frog dudes. I'm watching you, you little asshole."


I actually thought it was more a reunion. R2 was in service to the temple ever since the start of the clone wars, it's likely he met Grogu, when he was a youngling at the temple.


Which really makes the Yoda/R2 relationship funny in Empire, cause they've met before, R2 knows who he in and still treats him like a hobo.

Well, that has always bugged me. R2 should have been "I fucking know this bitch, he was your dad's boss's boss. He used to be all "Hmm Dignified am I" but now he's acting the fool in this fucking swamp. Don't take any shit from this dude..."

Or, had Yoda and R2 have a hard time getting along in the prequels (and have Yoda with less of a stick up his ass, but then maybe the slaughter of all the people who trusted him and isolation in a swamp might change a dude..).

All of this, like most problems in the continuity, would be less of an issue if Anakin had built R2 instead of C3PO...but I digress.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:50 am

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You mean like when he tried to kill his own father out of pure rage?


No, because it wasn't some outburst. He threatened to turn his sister to the Dark Side. There's a vast fucking difference between attacking your warmongering fascist dad--who you're fighting btw--for threatening your sister and trying to kill your nephew in his sleep because you had a dream about him destroying everything and everyone you love.

Stop defending the Sequels for their shitty writing.


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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:57 am

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You mean like when he tried to kill his own father out of pure rage?


No, because it wasn't some outburst. He threatened to turn his sister to the Dark Side. There's a vast fucking difference between attacking your warmongering fascist dad--who you're fighting btw--for threatening your sister and trying to kill your nephew in his sleep because you had a dream about him destroying everything and everyone you love.

Stop defending the Sequels for their shitty writing.


So when Vader threatens to turn his Sister to the Darkside, its okay to load shotguns with murderous intent.

But when he receives a force vision about Kylo destroying everything and killing everyone he loves, instinctively reaching for sword is completely out of character?


The Disney Trilogy had a lot wrong about it, but Luke's portrayal wasn't one of them.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:59 am

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No, because it wasn't some outburst. He threatened to turn his sister to the Dark Side. There's a vast fucking difference between attacking your warmongering fascist dad--who you're fighting btw--for threatening your sister and trying to kill your nephew in his sleep because you had a dream about him destroying everything and everyone you love.

Stop defending the Sequels for their shitty writing.


So when Vader threatens to turn his Sister to the Darkside, its okay to load shotguns with murderous intent.

But when he receives a force vision about Kylo destroying everything and killing everyone he loves, instinctively reaching for sword is completely out of character?


The Disney Trilogy had a lot wrong about it, but Luke's portrayal wasn't one of them.

I agree, i actually quite like Luke in TLJ, mentioned that on here the very first time i saw the film. Then again i like most of that movie so im a scumbag.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:04 am

You know in The Rise of Skywalker when they are having the force vision lightsaber fight on Kjimi?

Could other people see them fighting? Or would a stormtrooper be walking down the steps and just see Kylo talking menacingly to someone who isnt there and then swinging his lightsaber around like a lunatic?

Because in TLJ, Luke only saw Kylo the second time and that was after he connected with the force again, the first time he couldnt but Kylo saw him (After Rey shot at him and blasted through the roof of one of the other huts)
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:06 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
So when Vader threatens to turn his Sister to the Darkside, its okay to load shotguns with murderous intent.

But when he receives a force vision about Kylo destroying everything and killing everyone he loves, instinctively reaching for sword is completely out of character?


The Disney Trilogy had a lot wrong about it, but Luke's portrayal wasn't one of them.

I agree, i actually quite like Luke in TLJ, mentioned that on here the very first time i saw the film. Then again i like most of that movie so im a scumbag.


Parts of TLJ were good, the problem is the bad parts bring the movie down with the density of a dying star
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:09 am

Tarsonis wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:I agree, i actually quite like Luke in TLJ, mentioned that on here the very first time i saw the film. Then again i like most of that movie so im a scumbag.


Parts of TLJ were good, the problem is the bad parts bring the movie down with the density of a dying star

For me it bounces back and forth between something i like and something i dont like every five minutes.
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Postby Andsed » Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:12 am

Tarsonis wrote:https://youtu.be/Av8HbJHza4s


oh man, this makes me just, so happy.

This also makes me extremely happy. Just amazing.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:You know in The Rise of Skywalker when they are having the force vision lightsaber fight on Kjimi?

Could other people see them fighting? Or would a stormtrooper be walking down the steps and just see Kylo talking menacingly to someone who isnt there and then swinging his lightsaber around like a lunatic?

Because in TLJ, Luke only saw Kylo the second time and that was after he connected with the force again, the first time he couldnt but Kylo saw him (After Rey shot at him and blasted through the roof of one of the other huts)

I mean remember in TFA when the two stormtroopers saw Kylo tearing a room up? I would imagine it would be just like that. ¨Aw piss the Supreme leader is acting crazy again.¨
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Ah yes. Master Skywalker before he went all crazy and cynical on us. How nice.
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Postby The Imperial Reach » Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:10 pm

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No, because it wasn't some outburst. He threatened to turn his sister to the Dark Side. There's a vast fucking difference between attacking your warmongering fascist dad--who you're fighting btw--for threatening your sister and trying to kill your nephew in his sleep because you had a dream about him destroying everything and everyone you love.

Stop defending the Sequels for their shitty writing.


So when Vader threatens to turn his Sister to the Darkside, its okay to load shotguns with murderous intent.

But when he receives a force vision about Kylo destroying everything and killing everyone he loves, instinctively reaching for sword is completely out of character?


The Disney Trilogy had a lot wrong about it, but Luke's portrayal wasn't one of them.


Let's compare the two situations.

The scene in Return of the Jedi was about midway through Luke and Vader's second duel. Luke was hiding from Vader and Vader was trying to lure him out by taunting him. In so doing, Vader was attempting to use his familial connection to Luke to figure out his weaknesses via the Force and in so doing discovered Luke was not in fact his only child and that he had a daughter as well as a son. Sensing that Luke cared for his sister's well-being, Vader then used that information against him by suggesting that if Luke wouldn't turn to the Dark Side then maybe Leia would. Luke, not having proper Jedi training with only a few days of experience with Obi-Wan and a few months with Yoda, did what most people would in that situation and lash out and attack Vader.

By comparison the scene in The Last Jedi has Luke waking from as far as he knew was a bad dream in which he saw Ben Solo destroying everything and everyone he lived and so decided to sneak up on him in the middle of the night in an attempt to assassinate him.

These are two vastly different scenes.

In the former you have Luke trying to recuperate during a fight to the death, adrenaline rushing, trying to control his emotions as he was taught but at this point he was still fairly young and not nearly as experienced.

In the latter you have an elder Luke who has lived a long life, been through quite a lot, and undoubtedly learned a great deal about being a Jedi and the nature of the Force and so on. His reaction when receiving what was for all he knew just a bad dream was to try and kill his nephew? That doesn't sound like what a wise Jedi master would do.

Now, Luke is only human and bound to make mistakes but he was never the type to act on impulse unless someone else was explicitly in danger. Force visions aren't absolute; they can be wrong or even misinterpreted. They show possible, not definite, futures. If Luke knew anything about Force visions--which he probably did by then--then he'd know that.

If he did not know I could understand him not reacting appropriately, but there are other issues with the scene. In ROTJ you have Luke facing his father, who has already fallen to Dark Side and done terrible things. Luke wants to save him but knows that if he can't do that them he needs to destroy Vader. He lashes out when Vader makes the very real threat of trying to corrupt Leia, which is reasonable. He knows Vader absolutely would do that if given the chance.

In TLJ you have Luke waking from his sleep after dreaming of Ben turning to the Dark Side and doing terrible things. Said events haven't transpired yet and as far as we know there weren't any warning signs that Ben was going to go on a murder spree anytime soon. You could argue that Luke has always trusted the Force to guide him, but that ignores two other problems:

1. It is NOT the Jedi way to strike down the defenseless in cold blood. Luke was pretty dedicated to being a Jedi and bringing them back from the dead. Now even a master can stray, sure, but you'd think he'd at least pause to think about what he was about to do and if it was the Jedi thing to do first.

2. Tying into that, this is Luke's fucking nephew we're talking about. No one wakes up from what all he knew was a bad dream and decide to kill their nephew. This is the same guy who tried to save his planet-destroying father that cut off his hand? I think not.

Luke's actions were inconsistent with his character traits, and certainly don't fit the narrative that he was once a wise Jedi master. Furthermore the two scenes are not analogous but in fact the opposite.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:16 pm

So i guess Gideon did want the blood for Palpatine's clones then with the whole "His blood will restore ORDER™ to the galaxy" line. They also didnt kill him so i assume he is just being taken prisoner, maybe given over to the New Republic? Or he escapes in Season 3 and gets back to his forces?
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Postby Andsed » Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:29 pm

God I cannot get over how fucking awesome Luke was in this episode. He marches in fully robed probably prepared to storm an entire cruiser and is confronted with dozens of supersoldiers who were able to overwhelm three Mandalorians, a former imperial assassin, and a Rebel shocktrooper and fucking massacres them. He really is his fathers son.

Also the music when he arrived just beautiful. Like if anyone knows what that song was called I need to know.


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So i guess Gideon did want the blood for Palpatine's clones then with the whole "His blood will restore ORDER™ to the galaxy" line. They also didnt kill him so i assume he is just being taken prisoner, maybe given over to the New Republic? Or he escapes in Season 3 and gets back to his forces?


Im guessing he escapes and goes off to join the FO or something. Though I do hope we get a new big bad next season.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:31 pm

Andsed wrote:
God I cannot get over how fucking awesome Luke was in this episode. He marches in fully robed probably prepared to storm an entire cruiser and is confronted with dozens of supersoldiers who were able to overwhelm three Mandalorians, a former imperial assassin, and a Rebel shocktrooper and fucking massacres them. He really is his fathers son.

Also the music when he arrived just beautiful. Like if anyone knows what that song was called I need to know.

Everyone gets a corridor scene now. Vader, Maul, Luke. Im pretty sure they will pop up more and more in new movies and shows.
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