PDX Games IX: Western Pre-Turkic Empire

[North German Realm]

So basically you spend most of the first 25-50 years of your game waiting to be able to Primogeniture? (More if you're playing pagan/tribal)

I mean personally I prefer elective succession and just bribing the voters, but you definitely wanna get away from gavelkind.

Idk, if you know the hell you're doing, Gavelkind is pretty fun. I mean, it's no Primogeniture but (at least within its CK2 parameters) it's fun. Now, the CKIII (which apparently just flat-out creates new titles for the other children) is a different topic.

[Saint Nicholas and the Hussars]

Why make a religion out of kinks when you can simply annihilate all of them

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Okay I'm actually REALLY starting to get pissed that movement generally doesn't take as much time as combat

Like I have twice the army as this other country, but he's wiping me up because he's going province by province and destroying my 1k stacks before they can conglomerate

Napoleonic tactics. You’re being defeated in detail.

[Impaled Nazarene]

So basically you spend most of the first 25-50 years of your game waiting to be able to Primogeniture? (More if you're playing pagan/tribal)

Not "waiting." Unlocking primo is work, because it requires holding a kingdom and being at a certain tech level. I often find that, especially when I start as a count or duke (which I usually do), I generally have the tech long before the kingdom title.

Imagine not using gavelkind to your advantage by having dynasty members on your borders for easy expansion.

Who am I kidding. They always convert to satanism or the worship of bad decisions. Kill everyone but your heir unless you can benefit from it.

Damn kids keep getting me excommunicated.

[North German Realm]

Not "waiting." Unlocking primo is work, because it requires holding a kingdom and being at a certain tech level. I often find that, especially when I start as a count or duke (which I usually do), I generally have the tech long before the kingdom title.

Imagine not using gavelkind to your advantage by having dynasty members on your borders for easy expansion.

Who am I kidding. They always convert to satanism or the worship of bad decisions. Kill everyone but your heir unless you can benefit from it.

Damn kids keep getting me excommunicated.

It's less about the benefits and more about the challenges imo. Gavelkind (especially Elective which can fuck you up) is more challenging than Seniority, Primo or Ultimogeniture.

[The Huskar Social Union]

CK2 Devs: We fixed Crusades so the Pope will focus on Jerusalem and other near east threats.
Me: Owns Greece, Anatolia, and parts of Bulgaria.
The Pope: CRUSADE FOR POMERANIA!!!

Clearly you're not well-versed in Fourth Dimensional Chess, Naz. Pomerania is but the first step in the Pope's grand and ambitious plan to make you eat your own hair. Just you wait and see!

He who controls Pomerania, controls the fate of Jerusalem.

[Lunas Legion]

Clearly you're not well-versed in Fourth Dimensional Chess, Naz. Pomerania is but the first step in the Pope's grand and ambitious plan to make you eat your own hair. Just you wait and see!

He who controls Pomerania, controls the fate of Jerusalem.

The Teutonic Order agrees.

[The Huskar Social Union]

He who controls Pomerania, controls the fate of Jerusalem.

The Teutonic Order agrees.

Unfortunately for them the Polish disagreed.

[Ithalian Empire]

The Teutonic Order agrees.

Unfortunately for them the Polish disagreed.

Oh kurwa, the knightley order is making an independent state. Blyat, this will not do.

[Cisairse]

Imagine not using gavelkind to your advantage by having dynasty members on your borders for easy expansion.

Who am I kidding. They always convert to satanism or the worship of bad decisions. Kill everyone but your heir unless you can benefit from it.

Damn kids keep getting me excommunicated.

It's less about the benefits and more about the challenges imo. Gavelkind (especially Elective which can fuck you up) is more challenging than Seniority, Primo or Ultimogeniture.

Sure, but imo that's just dumb challenges. I'm a very cautious CK2 player so I rarely expand too quickly anyway. Having to spend 10 years cleaning up my realm every time somebody dies is annoying, not fun.

[Serrus]

CK2 Devs: We fixed Crusades so the Pope will focus on Jerusalem and other near east threats.
Me: Owns Greece, Anatolia, and parts of Bulgaria.
The Pope: CRUSADE FOR POMERANIA!!!

I just see the first crusade always being for Egypt. That's actually beneficial for the Crusades because Egypt is a large kingdom.

...tech shouldn't be based entirely upon how much money you have

It is? I assume regarding CK2 you're saying this?

Can we make a clergy that is all female and have lust promoted as a virtue?

Honestly if that's not an option I will be incredulous

[Bralia]

It's less about the benefits and more about the challenges imo. Gavelkind (especially Elective which can fuck you up) is more challenging than Seniority, Primo or Ultimogeniture.

Sure, but imo that's just dumb challenges. I'm a very cautious CK2 player so I rarely expand too quickly anyway. Having to spend 10 years cleaning up my realm every time somebody dies is annoying, not fun.

Wait, what? Gavelkind is what keeps realms clean, on the interior. If you have vassals with equivalent titles, title splits are nothing but good. And even if it might not be so good, you can much more easily revoke their stuff and redistribute the territory if the fragmentation is good enough.

The REAL thing the screws up interior borders is when the men and women rulers all start fucking each other, usually under primogeniture. Literally. You can't let them do that. Equality laws are actually the driving force behind interior bordergore. If you give the [opposite gender] rights, everything just goes to hell. Highly conveniently, you can look at the title of this very forum thread to see the best government style in the entire game.

[Cisairse]

...tech shouldn't be based entirely upon how much money you have

It is? I assume regarding CK2 you're saying this?

Imperator. Technology is just something you buy with cash, just like raising armies or maintaining forts.

[Cisairse]

Sure, but imo that's just dumb challenges. I'm a very cautious CK2 player so I rarely expand too quickly anyway. Having to spend 10 years cleaning up my realm every time somebody dies is annoying, not fun.

Wait, what? Gavelkind is what keeps realms clean, on the interior. If you have vassals with equivalent titles, title splits are nothing but good. And even if it might not be so good, you can much more easily revoke their stuff and redistribute the territory if the fragmentation is good enough.

The REAL thing the screws up interior borders is when the men and women rulers all start fucking each other, usually under primogeniture. Literally. You can't let them do that. Equality laws are actually the driving force behind interior bordergore. If you give the [opposite gender] rights, everything just goes to hell. Highly conveniently, you can look at the title of this very forum thread to see the best government style in the entire game.

Tbh I usually don't care about interior borders that much. Gavelkind which divides your kingdom into a bunch of mini-kingdoms upon ruler death is just dumb.

[North German Realm]

Wait, what? Gavelkind is what keeps realms clean, on the interior. If you have vassals with equivalent titles, title splits are nothing but good. And even if it might not be so good, you can much more easily revoke their stuff and redistribute the territory if the fragmentation is good enough.

The REAL thing the screws up interior borders is when the men and women rulers all start fucking each other, usually under primogeniture. Literally. You can't let them do that. Equality laws are actually the driving force behind interior bordergore. If you give the [opposite gender] rights, everything just goes to hell. Highly conveniently, you can look at the title of this very forum thread to see the best government style in the entire game.

Tbh I usually don't care about interior borders that much. Gavelkind which divides your kingdom into a bunch of mini-kingdoms upon ruler death is just dumb.

Just don't create more than one of your highest title, as long as you don't screw things up, you'll lose some of your territory but keep everything intact. Also, like Bralia said, making sure all your vassals have Gavelkind is something of utmost importance. At some point I think one guy controlled 66% of lands in my realm because of primogeniture marriages of 3-4 duchy titles. Putting that guy down when he rose in rebellion was actually tough.

[Cisairse]

Tbh I usually don't care about interior borders that much. Gavelkind which divides your kingdom into a bunch of mini-kingdoms upon ruler death is just dumb.

Just don't create more than one of your highest title, as long as you don't screw things up, you'll lose some of your territory but keep everything intact. Also, like Bralia said, making sure all your vassals have Gavelkind is something of utmost importance. At some point I think one guy controlled 66% of lands in my realm because of primogeniture marriages of 3-4 duchy titles. Putting that guy down when he rose in rebellion was actually tough.

"Just don't create more than one of your highest title" is a virtual impossibility when trying to make the climb from Count to Duke, Duke to King, and King to Emperor. And then becomes impossible yet again when you have more than one imperial title.

The powerful vassal problem can be solved with viceroyalties, but that's an endgame feature anyway so you have a point there.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Any tips for a Fanatic Purifier run/build?

[North German Realm]

Just don't create more than one of your highest title, as long as you don't screw things up, you'll lose some of your territory but keep everything intact. Also, like Bralia said, making sure all your vassals have Gavelkind is something of utmost importance. At some point I think one guy controlled 66% of lands in my realm because of primogeniture marriages of 3-4 duchy titles. Putting that guy down when he rose in rebellion was actually tough.

"Just don't create more than one of your highest title" is a virtual impossibility when trying to make the climb from Count to Duke, Duke to King, and King to Emperor. And then becomes impossible yet again when you have more than one imperial title.

The powerful vassal problem can be solved with viceroyalties, but that's an endgame feature anyway so you have a point there.

... You're only supposed to keep Gavelkind until you can get Primogeniture, not forever. My point only is that it's not as bad as many people say, imo.

[Cisairse]

Any tips for a Fanatic Purifier run/build?

I thought I clicked on the coronavirus thread and saw this post first and had a big brain moment

[The Huskar Social Union]

Any tips for a Fanatic Purifier run/build?

I thought I clicked on the coronavirus thread and saw this post first and had a big brain moment

Ill just get rid of the coronavirus with Armageddon bombardment setting, simples.

[Grenartia]

I thought I clicked on the coronavirus thread and saw this post first and had a big brain moment

Ill just get rid of the coronavirus with Armageddon bombardment setting, simples.

Pick whichever origin Survivor got converted into. That way, after you cleanse coronachan and the xenos carrying it, you have a new planet to settle on.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Ill just get rid of the coronavirus with Armageddon bombardment setting, simples.

Pick whichever origin Survivor got converted into. That way, after you cleanse coronachan and the xenos carrying it, you have a new planet to settle on.

Is that Post Apocalyptic then?

Tomb worlds will be few and far between tho until i start making them myself.

[Ithalian Empire]

Pick whichever origin Survivor got converted into. That way, after you cleanse coronachan and the xenos carrying it, you have a new planet to settle on.

Is that Post Apocalyptic then?

Tomb worlds will be few and far between tho until i start making them myself.

Thermonuclear Terreaforming

[Grenartia]

Is that Post Apocalyptic then?

Tomb worlds will be few and far between tho until i start making them myself.

Thermonuclear Terreaforming

Precisely.

[North German Realm]

You know the lack of a Viking Kingdom of Dublin is kinda offensive to me, in part because I just want to make a Norse Kingdom of Ireland rn and this means I'll need to play and get the title myself.